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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2020, 03:38:13 PM »
hi dave, lemme quote what you said prior, and maybe you'll understand a bit of my confusion:

For the highest quality rip here is what I do. Iím still using DB Poweramp...

Cryo the CD (yes, it matters)
Demag the CD
Demag a black CD
Burn with error correction enabled
Demag it again
Copy to the SSD
Transfer to the archive drive

Yes, every step makes an audible difference.

The real interesting aspects are cryo and demagnetizing.


so, what i got out of that is that, while a commercial cd that's cryo'd and demag'd may sound better than a commercial cd that's never been treated, what really sounds the best is a ripped black cd that's been cryo'd and demag'd.

so, if what i think is correct - that the best sound is coming from the ripped treated black cd - even better than the treated commercial cd, then all i really would need/want is the ripped/treated black cd.

in my own comparison quite a few years back, a plain old ordinary black cd ripped on a plain old ordinary pc sounded better than the commercial iteration (and patricia barber cd's re done up pretty well imo.)

if a commercial treated cd is better than a standard cd, i don't really care, if the treated ripped black cd is better still.

and just so i'm understanding exactly what you're doing -
- 1st, you cryo and demag a commercial cd. 
- then, you copy the commercial cryo'd/demag'd cd to your computer/burner set up.
- then, from your computer/burner set-up, you burn the copy on a (cryo'd/demag'd?) black cd.
- then you demag (and cryo?) the black cd again.

if the above is what your doing, (or close to it? - hah!), then all you need to do for me is to send me the special-sauce black cd copy.  i'll trust you that your treated commercial copy is better than the untreated commercial cd, but i'm only really interested in the best one, which is the black cd, as i'm understanding it.

thanks for your patience.   :mrgreen:

doug s.
ps - sorry for taking a while to respond - my injury means i'm not on the computer frequently, and forget about trying to answer from my cell-phone.   :?

ok, so i was not getting that a regular cd that was "treated" would sound better than a regular untreated cd.  i was assuming that it was the ripping process - and doing it using a black cd - that was effecting the improvements. 

so, inquiring minds want to know - which sounds better (in your opinion) - the treated regular cd, or the specially ripped and treated (if other treatments are done) black cd?

i guess i should g back and re-read what, exactly, it is you're doing?  or is it not really clear?  hah!  😁

thanks,

doug s.
From the first page, typos and all:

"I would be willing to buy 2 CDí, do the treatment burn a black CDand send it out to the group IF people here agree to treat them with kid gloves so everyone can hear (or not) the differences in protocols."

I wasn't very clear in what I wrote about the 2 CD thing.  One CD will be the control, the second will be treated and the black one is just to demonstrate the differences in the black media and the standard clear media.  They are all different and it is up to the listener to choose which one has the best SQ on his system.  We are all interested in superior SQ, right?
OK, Doug.  Letís make this easy.  Iíll treat my copy of SKIP, HOP & WOBBLE, burn a black CD and send them both to you.  I will want to get my copy of that CD back from you.  Once you listen to yours, mine and the burned copy PM or email me with your thoughts.  DO NOT post your findings until the experiment is over.

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No worries, Doug.  I was being impatient 'cuz I want to get this show on the road.  I'll send the full package to Don early next week.

PM me your address and I'll get the black CD off to you.  I just thought that as an audio nerd you might like to hear the differences.
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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2020, 04:12:57 PM »
thanks, dave.

as an audio nerd, i'm ok with hearing "good" (commercial cd untreated) and "best" (treated black cd).  😁

am i to assume i'm correct that good-better-best is: commercial cd - treated clear cd - treated black cd?

thanks again,

doug
No worries, Doug.  I was being impatient 'cuz I want to get this show on the road.  I'll send the full package to Don early next week.

PM me your address and I'll get the black CD off to you.  I just thought that as an audio nerd you might like to hear the differences.

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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2020, 08:23:18 PM »
thanks, dave.

as an audio nerd, i'm ok with hearing "good" (commercial cd untreated) and "best" (treated black cd).  😁

am i to assume i'm correct that good-better-best is: commercial cd - treated clear cd - treated black cd?

thanks again,

doug
No worries, Doug.  I was being impatient 'cuz I want to get this show on the road.  I'll send the full package to Don early next week.

PM me your address and I'll get the black CD off to you.  I just thought that as an audio nerd you might like to hear the differences.
Like I said several times: I will not pollute the project with direct statements until it is over.  Iím not trying to be difficult, just loyal to the process.
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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2020, 04:39:30 PM »
]The OWC Elite Pro is one of the best sounding drive enclosures available.  So says my digital guru Eric Hider.  He has listened to everything and the OWC is his choice due to the controller.  It does sound better than what I was using...

Hi Dave,

Is the matching OWC optical drive ok as well? I keep hearing some Pioneer model (that doesn't fit the OWC) as being great as well. Or is the choice of optical drive not as critical as the controller of the enclosure?

Then there is the question of the power supply and usb connection to the drive, correct?

Paul
Sorry for the late reply.  Basically Eric said he really can't speak to this when Windblows is involved. He (like me) thinks that the Mac OSX solutions are superior to Windblows based software because of the integral audio engine in OSX being inherently better sounding.  I have to agree.  I spent way too much money trying to build a PC based server that sounded better than the entry level Mac and just could not do it.  I have cases and motherboards here for those that want to try.

I use a SuperDive and I am very happy with he SQ.  Getting data off of the disc is easy.  What happens next... not so much.

He did say that some of his friends and customers praise the Teac drives.

Bottom line:  who really knows?
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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2020, 09:28:08 PM »
Sorry for the late reply.  Basically Eric said he really can't speak to this when Windblows is involved. He (like me) thinks that the Mac OSX solutions are superior to Windblows based software because of the integral audio engine in OSX being inherently better sounding.  I have to agree.  I spent way too much money trying to build a PC based server that sounded better than the entry level Mac and just could not do it.  I have cases and motherboards here for those that want to try.

I use a SuperDive and I am very happy with he SQ.  Getting data off of the disc is easy.  What happens next... not so much.

He did say that some of his friends and customers praise the Teac drives.

Bottom line:  who really knows?
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Thanks Dave! :thumb:

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The CD rip/burn experiment is underway...
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2020, 09:30:29 PM »
Iíll be sending the discs out to the first victim participant tomorrow (Tuesday).

Don, Iíll send you the tracking number.

Let the head scratching begin!   :thumb:
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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2020, 11:22:36 AM »
"OK

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That thing is never ending! I did like the Fred Sanford though.

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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2020, 11:42:53 AM »
"OK

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That thing is never ending! I did like the Fred Sanford though.

Guinea Pig #1 reporting for duty.

I was going to put this is the shipping box, but being the dumbass I am I sealed the box up without it, so:

Players,

Please treat the discs carefully as the performance is directly related to disc condition.

It is your responsibility to send the disc to the next person in line.  Please reuse the packing material and use a USPS small flate rate Priority mail box.

The lineup so far is :

dflee

Malloy

Barry

Iím sending Doug s a copy of a different CD.

Iíll try to get some additional victims.

Yaíll have fun!
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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2020, 10:17:48 PM »
Dave,

Can't wait! Thanks! :thumb:

More guinea pigs are needed!

Paul

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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2020, 10:47:59 PM »
Dave,

Can't wait! Thanks! :thumb:

More guinea pigs are needed!

Paul

Gonna be fun, Paul! Dave has entrusted me with the test information. My lips are unequivocally sealed, but...do you have my PayPal address??  :rofl: Just joshiní  Hope a couple more guys sign up
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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2020, 10:55:22 PM »
Hi Nick,

Actually, I do have your PayPal.  :rofl:

You might find a hefty sum deposited when I find out I can't hear any difference at all!

I can actually use that as an excuse to get a new cd player.

Paul

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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2020, 01:48:21 PM »
'Tis gonna be interesting...

TBC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: Taking Digital Audio Extraction to a level no one else has ever done
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2020, 09:17:49 AM »
  Count me in.


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