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Offline doug s.

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this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« on: March 17, 2020, 11:05:58 PM »
prices for these have been going up; this is still an excellent deal, has been well serviced, and will go toe to toe w/anything new at ~10 times the asking price.  i'm certain the only reason it's still f/s is the owner doesn't want to ship.

https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649596770-empire-398-turntable/?utm_campaign=new-watchlist-added&utm_source=transaction&utm_medium=email


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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2020, 11:07:05 PM »
Aren't they usually heavy arms?

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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2020, 11:33:43 PM »
the arm looks quite the beast, no?   :mrgreen: in reality they have an effective mass of ~17g, which while on the heavy side, they actually work well w/many cartridges, due to the design; not just low-compliance ones.  there's lots of info on them on the web.  vinyl engine has the manual for download:
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/empire/980.shtml

the turntable could be improved by a different arm, but the reality is that the arm is actually very competent.  even w/o anti-skate, tho a few have anti-skate added, and you could always fabricate the needed attachments if you wanted.  there's a guy on ebay who sells updated i/c's for the empires, and he'll make you basically anything you want.  i lucked into one that had the anti-skate already installed, but i've heard these w/o and they are still superb...


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Aren't they usually heavy arms?

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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2020, 12:41:00 AM »
Doug,
I wouldnít have known about Empire turntables if it werenít for you. Itís in decent shape and it would be a very nice project to completely restore it. I cringed a bit when he described his paint job.... One of these days Iíll get my vinyl going, but thatís about 4th or 5th in the queue.
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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2020, 08:20:08 AM »
this deck has been restored more than enough to be used as-is.  if you look at the pics of the tonearm, it's plenty decent enough, imo.  it looks better than mine, and i have no desire to make mine look any nicer...

you have a killer deck yourself, but you could buy something like this and get at least 90% of what you have now, sound-wise; then sell yours and fund lotsa winyl purchases...   8)

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Doug,
I wouldnít have known about Empire turntables if it werenít for you. Itís in decent shape and it would be a very nice project to completely restore it. I cringed a bit when he described his paint job.... One of these days Iíll get my vinyl going, but thatís about 4th or 5th in the queue.
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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2020, 09:26:00 AM »
Yes, agreed as to condition. I just enjoy seeing the restoration process done. Have seen many such YouTube videos. As to selling mine, Iíve thought about it more than once, but itís a 70 or 80 lb beast that I wouldnít want to ship.


this deck has been restored more than enough to be used as-is.  if you look at the pics of the tonearm, it's plenty decent enough, imo.  it looks better than mine, and i have no desire to make mine look any nicer...

you have a killer deck yourself, but you could buy something like this and get at least 90% of what you have now, sound-wise; then sell yours and fund lotsa winyl purchases...   8)

doug s.
Doug,
I wouldnít have known about Empire turntables if it werenít for you. Itís in decent shape and it would be a very nice project to completely restore it. I cringed a bit when he described his paint job.... One of these days Iíll get my vinyl going, but thatís about 4th or 5th in the queue.
Nick
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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2020, 09:55:35 AM »
I thought heavier arms were hard on the vinyl.

I do really enjoy the aesthetics of Empires though.

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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2020, 10:36:30 AM »
it's tracking force and stylus shape that is the prime determinant on vinyl wear.  the empire arm is capable of tracking at whatever the cartridge/stylus recommendation is...

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I thought heavier arms were hard on the vinyl.

I do really enjoy the aesthetics of Empires though.

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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2020, 11:14:36 AM »
The plant that made these was actually only a few miles from where I grew up and is currently a medical bldg where the doctor who was my kid's pediatrician is now located.
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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2020, 06:12:24 AM »
Some Empire turntable history:

https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/some-empire-turntable-history.278075/

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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2020, 03:50:40 PM »
Some Empire turntable history:

https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/some-empire-turntable-history.278075/

I grew up in Valley Stream, never knew they were in Garden City.

Wow, that is a detailed history. Everything I ever wanted to know and more. Thanks for posting  :thumb:
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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2020, 09:14:49 PM »
Wow, that is a detailed history. Everything I ever wanted to know and more. Thanks for posting  :thumb:
Nick
yes, i have been on that thread a time or three... 8)

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Re: this is a great turntable... (f/s; not mine)
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2020, 12:46:32 PM »
one more:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/114169878835


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