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Bottlehead vs Schiit Magni 3 ?
« on: July 27, 2019, 04:34:17 AM »
Hi all.
I have a Bottlehead Crack (With 6SN7 RCA + 12AU7 RCA clear top) and many other brands and models (Bendix 6080-Thomas 12AU7...) Just to name a few. I use the Bottlehead exclusively with my Sennheiser HD650 (300 Ohms) I've also purchased recently a Schiit Magni 3 that I use with the HD-650 and another Sennheiser HD-570 (60 Ohms) that I bought 15 years ago.
Of course the HD-650 sound better, much better ? Yes, but for me, not really that much better, only better.
Of course the HD-570 with 60 Ohms doesn't sound good (Shy bass) with the Bottlehead that was designed  for hi-impedance headphones.
The magni 3 works well with both headphones.
I do prefer the sound of the Crack Bottlehead because it's smoother, and the sound is bigger.
Sorry about my limited audio vocabulary.
When back in Canada I will sell the Bottlehead with the HD-650
and keep the Magni 3 with the HD-570.
With the money from the sales of the Bottlehead combo,
I will buy a pair of Sennheiser HD-598 (? ? ? not sure of the model)
but they are closed back, usefull when I want to listen to music especialy when my wife sing the Karaoke
(Here in Vietnam with our house built with reinforced 12'' concrete (No kidding) my listning room
and office are sound proof.
But it won't be the case in Canada...

Guy 13
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Re: Bottlehead vs Schiit Magni 3 ?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2019, 10:55:28 PM »
Hey Guy,

It looks like you are downsizing big time.

We have similar headphone gear. I have a Crack with a 650 as well. Never heard the Magni, but I have an Asgard 2.  I started down the rabbit hole of upgrading the Crack with different tubes, Speedball, volume pot, etc. but I could never listen for more than an hour or so - too used to speakers, you see. When I tallied all the cash I dumped into building the kit plus tools and various cheapo amps, I realized I could have built up my 2 channel rig again!

I've always wanted to try the Thomas 6080. This is the French military tube, correct?

Paul

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Re: Bottlehead vs Schiit Magni 3 ?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2019, 04:18:42 AM »
Hi Paul.
I would have liked to write up a list of all the tubes I have for my Bottlehead Crack,
but everything is packed up and ready to go around the globe to it's final destination,
which is my home country Canada.
I've been in Vietnam for the past 25 years.
Maybe you knew that already if you were on Audio Circle.
If I remember right, I have three or four RCA 6SN7, one Bendix 6080
and onther brand of 6080.
I have also about five 12AU7 of different brands, like 12AU7 a tube from a Thomas Organ,
a RCA 12AU6 clear top
and other various brand.
An accantance of mine from Audio Circle did the assembly,
the electro plating of the top plate and the staining of the wood base,
look really good compare to the unfinish unit from Bottlehead.
There are some up grades like volume control, capacitors, but not the speed ball.
If I want to sell it, it's not because I don't like the sound,
it's because I have way too much audio stuff.
I will be moving from a one bedroom appartment so my three huge Open Baffle speakers
will have to go, unfortunatey.
I understand what you are saying that by the time you u grade everything,
you could affort to buy a nice system.
I am the same as you,
I am more of a speaker guy.
I don't like to be attached with a cord like a dog.
Speakers also have a 3D sound, no body will make me beleive that headphones have 3D sound
and I've tried at least half dozen different makes of headphones.
40 years ago, I had a pair a Stax headphones, thos didn't have 3D sound, but a real hi definition sound, I love those and like many, I regret selling those.
Well, that's it for now.
I hope Audio Nevrosa will give us one day the possibility of posting pictures of more than only 600 Kb files.
Take care.

Guy 13
on planet Vietnam.
Today 33.3C or 92F.
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Grace Digital Mondo RIT
Cambridge Mini sub 2.1
Schiit Fulla 2 DAC
Schiit SYS PCC
Sony Passive Bookshelf speakers
Lot more stuff on storage
prior to moving back to Canada.

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Re: Bottlehead vs Schiit Magni 3 ?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2019, 02:32:10 PM »
Hi,
here are a few pictures of my Bottlehead Crack with my Sennheiser HD-650.
Grace Digital Mondo RIT
Cambridge Mini sub 2.1
Schiit Fulla 2 DAC
Schiit SYS PCC
Sony Passive Bookshelf speakers
Lot more stuff on storage
prior to moving back to Canada.

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Re: Bottlehead vs Schiit Magni 3 ?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2019, 02:33:30 PM »
Bottlehead Crack.
Grace Digital Mondo RIT
Cambridge Mini sub 2.1
Schiit Fulla 2 DAC
Schiit SYS PCC
Sony Passive Bookshelf speakers
Lot more stuff on storage
prior to moving back to Canada.

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Re: Bottlehead vs Schiit Magni 3 ?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2019, 11:46:18 PM »
Hi Paul.
I would have liked to write up a list of all the tubes I have for my Bottlehead Crack,
but everything is packed up and ready to go around the globe to it's final destination,
which is my home country Canada.
I've been in Vietnam for the past 25 years.
Maybe you knew that already if you were on Audio Circle.
If I remember right, I have three or four RCA 6SN7, one Bendix 6080
and onther brand of 6080.
I have also about five 12AU7 of different brands, like 12AU7 a tube from a Thomas Organ,
a RCA 12AU6 clear top
and other various brand.
An accantance of mine from Audio Circle did the assembly,
the electro plating of the top plate and the staining of the wood base,
look really good compare to the unfinish unit from Bottlehead.
There are some up grades like volume control, capacitors, but not the speed ball.
If I want to sell it, it's not because I don't like the sound,
it's because I have way too much audio stuff.
I will be moving from a one bedroom appartment so my three huge Open Baffle speakers
will have to go, unfortunatey.
I understand what you are saying that by the time you u grade everything,
you could affort to buy a nice system.
I am the same as you,
I am more of a speaker guy.
I don't like to be attached with a cord like a dog.
Speakers also have a 3D sound, no body will make me beleive that headphones have 3D sound
and I've tried at least half dozen different makes of headphones.
40 years ago, I had a pair a Stax headphones, thos didn't have 3D sound, but a real hi definition sound, I love those and like many, I regret selling those.
Well, that's it for now.
I hope Audio Nevrosa will give us one day the possibility of posting pictures of more than only 600 Kb files.
Take care.

Guy 13
on planet Vietnam.
Today 33.3C or 92F.
............................................

Hi Guy,

I've only been a lurker on AUdioCIrcle, never registered there, but I remember your avatar!

You have a nice Crack. I built mine myself so it is very sloppy and the soldering and layout leaves a lot to be desired.

It also looks like you have or had(?) a Decware and Omega system. Have you sold those?

Interesting thing you say about headphones no having 3D sound. I agree completely. I was at a Head-Fi meet some years ago, some kids (well, millennials ) they were talking about soundstaging and imaging for headphones. It was obvious they have never heard a proper stereo before. There is no soundstage for EDM music anyway!

Paul

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Re: Bottlehead vs Schiit Magni 3 ?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2019, 12:12:10 AM »
Hi Paul.
I would have liked to write up a list of all the tubes I have for my Bottlehead Crack,
but everything is packed up and ready to go around the globe to it's final destination,
which is my home country Canada.
I've been in Vietnam for the past 25 years.
Maybe you knew that already if you were on Audio Circle.
If I remember right, I have three or four RCA 6SN7, one Bendix 6080
and onther brand of 6080.
I have also about five 12AU7 of different brands, like 12AU7 a tube from a Thomas Organ,
a RCA 12AU6 clear top
and other various brand.
An accantance of mine from Audio Circle did the assembly,
the electro plating of the top plate and the staining of the wood base,
look really good compare to the unfinish unit from Bottlehead.
There are some up grades like volume control, capacitors, but not the speed ball.
If I want to sell it, it's not because I don't like the sound,
it's because I have way too much audio stuff.
I will be moving from a one bedroom appartment so my three huge Open Baffle speakers
will have to go, unfortunatey.
I understand what you are saying that by the time you u grade everything,
you could affort to buy a nice system.
I am the same as you,
I am more of a speaker guy.
I don't like to be attached with a cord like a dog.
Speakers also have a 3D sound, no body will make me beleive that headphones have 3D sound
and I've tried at least half dozen different makes of headphones.
40 years ago, I had a pair a Stax headphones, thos didn't have 3D sound, but a real hi definition sound, I love those and like many, I regret selling those.
Well, that's it for now.
I hope Audio Nevrosa will give us one day the possibility of posting pictures of more than only 600 Kb files.
Take care.

Guy 13
on planet Vietnam.
Today 33.3C or 92F.
............................................

Hi Guy,

I've only been a lurker on AUdioCIrcle, never registered there, but I remember your avatar!

You have a nice Crack. I built mine myself so it is very sloppy and the soldering and layout leaves a lot to be desired.

It also looks like you have or had(?) a Decware and Omega system. Have you sold those?

Interesting thing you say about headphones no having 3D sound. I agree completely. I was at a Head-Fi meet some years ago, some kids (well, millennials ) they were talking about soundstaging and imaging for headphones. It was obvious they have never heard a proper stereo before. There is no soundstage for EDM music anyway!

Paul

.................................

Hi (Again) Paul.
Thanks for the compliments for the nice looking of my Bottlehead Crack, however,
I cannot take all the credit for it,
an Audio Circle member (Forgot his name) did everything for me.
I bought the kit from Bottlehead and got it shipped to that AC member who did a nice job at soldering,
putting it together, upgrading it and make the unit nice looking in exchange of a MC cartridge
(Forgot brand and model) but it was paid around 400 USD)
We were both happy with the deal.
I have an old Weller 100-140watts soldering gun which is not the best tool for delicate soldering job.
 
I still have my Decware SE-84C+ amplifier with a few spare tubes (Mainly Electro Harmonics)
cannot sell it here on planet Vietnam, because it's 120V. and second it's an unknown brand for the Vietnames.
I will sell it in Canada unless I get hit by nostalgia, then I will keep it.

For Omega, I only bought the drivers from Louis (7F) and one of them for still unknown reason to me is dead,
coil open...
Too bad, I really like those drivers, better than the Audio Nirvana (Common Sense Audio) Standard 8F.
Those Audio Nirvana were the first foot I set into extended crossoverless driver.
Onced in Canada, I might try to buy one from Louis, if he wants to sell me only one
and use it somewhere in one of the unsold system.

I still have all my audio stuff, but it's all crated pack ready to go,
exception of my ambiant music system when I work on my computer, like right now.

I will include here with a few (Very low resolution) pictures.

Well that's it.
Have a nice weekend and feel free to write as often as you like.

I must say and that's not in a negative way,
there is less action here on Audio Nervosa compare to Audio Circle,
but I find here only civilised people posting civilised comments.

Guy 13

Grace Digital Mondo RIT
Cambridge Mini sub 2.1
Schiit Fulla 2 DAC
Schiit SYS PCC
Sony Passive Bookshelf speakers
Lot more stuff on storage
prior to moving back to Canada.

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Re: Bottlehead vs Schiit Magni 3 ?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2019, 04:23:38 PM »
Hi Paul.
I would have liked to write up a list of all the tubes I have for my Bottlehead Crack,
but everything is packed up and ready to go around the globe to it's final destination,
which is my home country Canada.
I've been in Vietnam for the past 25 years.
Maybe you knew that already if you were on Audio Circle.
If I remember right, I have three or four RCA 6SN7, one Bendix 6080
and onther brand of 6080.
I have also about five 12AU7 of different brands, like 12AU7 a tube from a Thomas Organ,
a RCA 12AU6 clear top
and other various brand.
An accantance of mine from Audio Circle did the assembly,
the electro plating of the top plate and the staining of the wood base,
look really good compare to the unfinish unit from Bottlehead.
There are some up grades like volume control, capacitors, but not the speed ball.
If I want to sell it, it's not because I don't like the sound,
it's because I have way too much audio stuff.
I will be moving from a one bedroom appartment so my three huge Open Baffle speakers
will have to go, unfortunatey.
I understand what you are saying that by the time you u grade everything,
you could affort to buy a nice system.
I am the same as you,
I am more of a speaker guy.
I don't like to be attached with a cord like a dog.
Speakers also have a 3D sound, no body will make me beleive that headphones have 3D sound
and I've tried at least half dozen different makes of headphones.
40 years ago, I had a pair a Stax headphones, thos didn't have 3D sound, but a real hi definition sound, I love those and like many, I regret selling those.
Well, that's it for now.
I hope Audio Nevrosa will give us one day the possibility of posting pictures of more than only 600 Kb files.
Take care.

Guy 13
on planet Vietnam.
Today 33.3C or 92F.
............................................

Hi Guy,

I've only been a lurker on AUdioCIrcle, never registered there, but I remember your avatar!

You have a nice Crack. I built mine myself so it is very sloppy and the soldering and layout leaves a lot to be desired.

It also looks like you have or had(?) a Decware and Omega system. Have you sold those?

Interesting thing you say about headphones no having 3D sound. I agree completely. I was at a Head-Fi meet some years ago, some kids (well, millennials ) they were talking about soundstaging and imaging for headphones. It was obvious they have never heard a proper stereo before. There is no soundstage for EDM music anyway!

Paul

.................................

Hi (Again) Paul.
Thanks for the compliments for the nice looking of my Bottlehead Crack, however,
I cannot take all the credit for it,
an Audio Circle member (Forgot his name) did everything for me.
I bought the kit from Bottlehead and got it shipped to that AC member who did a nice job at soldering,
putting it together, upgrading it and make the unit nice looking in exchange of a MC cartridge
(Forgot brand and model) but it was paid around 400 USD)
We were both happy with the deal.
I have an old Weller 100-140watts soldering gun which is not the best tool for delicate soldering job.
 
I still have my Decware SE-84C+ amplifier with a few spare tubes (Mainly Electro Harmonics)
cannot sell it here on planet Vietnam, because it's 120V. and second it's an unknown brand for the Vietnames.
I will sell it in Canada unless I get hit by nostalgia, then I will keep it.

For Omega, I only bought the drivers from Louis (7F) and one of them for still unknown reason to me is dead,
coil open...
Too bad, I really like those drivers, better than the Audio Nirvana (Common Sense Audio) Standard 8F.
Those Audio Nirvana were the first foot I set into extended crossoverless driver.
Onced in Canada, I might try to buy one from Louis, if he wants to sell me only one
and use it somewhere in one of the unsold system.

I still have all my audio stuff, but it's all crated pack ready to go,
exception of my ambiant music system when I work on my computer, like right now.

I will include here with a few (Very low resolution) pictures.

Well that's it.
Have a nice weekend and feel free to write as often as you like.

I must say and that's not in a negative way,
there is less action here on Audio Nervosa compare to Audio Circle,
but I find here only civilised people posting civilised comments.

Guy 13

Hi Guy,
Youíre correct...we have very little traffic compared to AC. The last two weeks at least weíve been hit by spammers and issuing bans and making notes why can be very time consuming.  I havenít approved any new members recently as well. I keep reading the forum SMF software, but it takes time to learn. I canít predict a long range future for AN, but we have a bunch of decent guys here. Few arguments here and rarely anything close to rude or uncivil.
Nick
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