Author Topic: An Unusual Speaker Cable With Very Low in Inductance  (Read 2569 times)

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Re: An Unusual Speaker Cable With Very Low in Inductance
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2019, 12:25:40 PM »
   Wow never would have thought that. Biwiring would help that situation , no ?


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Re: An Unusual Speaker Cable With Very Low in Inductance
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2019, 08:07:16 AM »
   Wow never would have thought that. Biwiring would help that situation , no ?

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Maybe. So many variables to deal with.
Off the top of my head, one variable would be the bandwidth the woofer handles. Two way
will be different than three way.

I am concentrating on the woofer, as it needs to not only be damped at resonance, but still
blend in with the other driver(s). Tonal balance changes could occur. Complications.

Whatever the designer configured for is probably the best way to go, but don't quote me on
that as there will be exceptions.

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Re: An Unusual Speaker Cable With Very Low in Inductance
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2020, 02:49:41 PM »
I was using nine 18 gauge wires on one leg but by just slightly repositioning the speakers (0,5mm rotation), using the 10th improved the sound. I did have to take ~3/8" off of one turn on a 600 watt crossover inductor. That required burning a new slot on the plastic inductor form, to hold the wire in place.

I exchanged the 10th wire on each leg from regular wire with a 6n pure 18 gauge wire. I mean my system, playing YT Premium, sounds unbelievable, clearly beating anything I had auditioned playing redbook/high rez and shows and homes, until the 6n wires were installed. Now it is un-freakingly unbelievable.

The changes are at extremely low level musical signal levels, spacial Qs, harmonic structure etc etc. It should have not surprised me though, since 6" length of 6n wire made a difference in my hugely upgraded dac.

The obvious limiting factor is the recording. Another question. Do I want to spend a grand on all 6n pure speaker wire? And will all 6n wire expose a hidden problem or get that last gram of sonic bliss?

I will wait a while and time will tell.

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« Last Edit: September 22, 2020, 02:54:59 PM by steve »
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Re: An Unusual Speaker Cable With Very Low in Inductance
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2020, 10:05:18 PM »

And will all 6n wire expose a hidden problem or get that last gram of sonic bliss?



Isn't that the $64,000 question with any upgrade?
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Re: An Unusual Speaker Cable With Very Low in Inductance
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2020, 11:15:27 PM »

And will all 6n wire expose a hidden problem or get that last gram of sonic bliss?



Isn't that the $64,000 question with any upgrade?
Always has been since I figured out that measurements are a great place to start, but the important aspect is the toe-tapping, I wanna just keep listening, screw sleep! one.
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Re: An Unusual Speaker Cable With Very Low in Inductance
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2020, 06:05:18 PM »

And will all 6n wire expose a hidden problem or get that last gram of sonic bliss?



Isn't that the $64,000 question with any upgrade?
Always has been since I figured out that measurements are a great place to start, but the important aspect is the toe-tapping, I wanna just keep listening, screw sleep! one.

My philosophy as well PI. I get the specs down, then I do the listening testing, and lots of it, including multiple proprietary
listening methods when I can. Speakers are more difficult though. It is back and forth with speaker wires, speakers xovers, parts, and positioning. Decades ago, the speakers disappeared. Now it is the, is the music believable phase.

As it gets closer, the music sucks me in as well. I stated the last gram, but I should have stated milligram or
microgram. Obtaining realism is in stages. How many times have we thought we have obtained it, only to perceive
a flaw? When that little fog is gone, when the harmonics are correct, what a wonderful moment.

There have been frustrating times over the decades. But every time something is learned, it helps in future designing. A  picture starts to develop and when that picture is complete, it is much easier to build anything analog. Once the line preamplifier was perfected, the phono stage was much much easier to design.
 
Next chapter is a "recording studio"???? Well, maybe a decade or so ago that could have been a goal.  :)

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« Last Edit: September 28, 2020, 08:09:42 PM by steve »
Steve Sammet (retired, owner, SAS Audio Labs)
"V" Very Low Capacitance ICs, 40pf 1 meter
SAS Audio Labs Test Phono Stage
SAS Audio 11A Tube Reference Preamplifier
SAS Audio Labs 25 W Triode Reference Monoblocks
2 way test Spkrs, 28 - 20khz  -3db (28hz)