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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2018, 08:45:15 AM »
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2018, 11:20:52 AM »
I hear ya!😁 I had an itch too. I just bought a Denafrips Terminator DAC after reading the buzz on the internet. I have around 45 hours on it and it is sounding pretty impressive.

They have a cheaper model called an Ares that suppose to sound pretty close to this flagship model.
If thatís true for the price itís a great find. I think it cost 8 or $900.

It is a latter Dac like your Schitt.

Ares is listed as 880 Singapore dollars which is around 650 bucks.

@mresseguie, if I remember you did a eval also on the Denafrips DAC (I vaguely remember that it might have been sent around on tour)

Sorry, Nick we are hijacking your Border Patrol thread  :duh
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2018, 01:00:45 PM »
I hear ya!😁 I had an itch too. I just bought a Denafrips Terminator DAC after reading the buzz on the internet. I have around 45 hours on it and it is sounding pretty impressive.

They have a cheaper model called an Ares that suppose to sound pretty close to this flagship model.
If thatís true for the price itís a great find. I think it cost 8 or $900.

It is a latter Dac like your Schitt.

Ares is listed as 880 Singapore dollars which is around 650 bucks.

@mresseguie, if I remember you did a eval also on the Denafrips DAC (I vaguely remember that it might have been sent around on tour)

Sorry, Nick we are hijacking your Border Patrol thread  :duh

No problem, Deepak. Iím maybe #1 as far as getting sidetracked from  the original topic. I do remember something about Michael and the Denafriips
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2018, 05:39:13 PM »
Emil, question, what do you do to step up from the B P DAC?
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2018, 06:58:13 PM »
Emil, question, what do you do to step up from the B P DAC?
well, it seems to me that emil prefers his schiit yggdrasil.  i'd say try a modified art di/o.   :rofl:

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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2018, 07:06:15 PM »
...Too bad it doesnít have a usb jack as it would be interesting to hear Eric Hiderís tweaked and modded Mac mini with it....
Nick
nick, maybe you need a schiit eitr.   :D

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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2018, 07:33:27 PM »
I hear ya!😁 I had an itch too. I just bought a Denafrips Terminator DAC after reading the buzz on the internet. I have around 45 hours on it and it is sounding pretty impressive.

They have a cheaper model called an Ares that suppose to sound pretty close to this flagship model.
If thatís true for the price itís a great find. I think it cost 8 or $900.

It is a latter Dac like your Schitt.

Ares is listed as 880 Singapore dollars which is around 650 bucks.

@mresseguie, if I remember you did a eval also on the Denafrips DAC (I vaguely remember that it might have been sent around on tour)

Sorry, Nick we are hijacking your Border Patrol thread  :duh

Howdy!

I need to dig around in my cobwebs a sec. Oh, yeah. Well, briefly here's what I did:

I auditioned the Venus model which is third in the line. I got it with under a 100 hours burn in. It did not sound very impressive, but I know (and knew then) that good DACs need time to burn in. By the time it had about 150(?) hours on it, I took it up to Bothell, WA for an audio G2G. A bunch of us heard it, but no one got excited. The following day I drove home. I continued burning it in for another 100-plus hours. Somewhere in the 250 to 300 hours range I started noticing the kind of results that I had hoped I might hear.

I was preparing to fly to Taiwan, so I shipped it back to Singapore. At that time, my thinking was that I would order the Terminator while I was in Taiwan. However, my plans changed for a couple reasons. The biggest reason is I decided to bring my Don Sachs Model 2 preamp back to Oregon to pair with my D Sachs Kootenay 120 amp and my Apollo speakers. Without a good preamp in Taiwan, there's no point in buying a nice DAC that lacks a volume control.

A second reason why I changed plans is because I decided to audition a DAC while I was temporarily back in OR/WA caring for my mother (this past Feb and March). I ended up auditioning the dB Audio Labs Tranquility SE DAC (with Jupiter Cu caps!). I honestly expected that I would be underwhelmed by this DAC and would send it back to Eric Heider. Guess what? With zero burn in, I hooked it up to my system and it sounded wonderful. It took the Venus nearly 300 hours to approach this level. So I didn't send it back. I bought the damned thing. [It's not a bad damned thing. It's a great damned thing!]

I wasn't impressed enough by the Venus to want to keep it. The Venus and the Tranquility are about the same price, I think. I paid extra to have the Jupiter caps added.

I still have no preamp in my system in Taiwan. I'm using my Gustard X20u as DAC/pre. It's not nearly as nice as when my Model 2 was in the system, but it's not bad either. I don't know what I will do at this point. I keep my eyes peeled for used Lampizator Atlantic DACs with volume control because I know I love its sound. However, the price is kinda scary. Perhaps I'll feel wealthier once I manage to sell my home in Oregon?

Does this help?

Michael
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2018, 12:30:12 AM »
...Too bad it doesnít have a usb jack as it would be interesting to hear Eric Hiderís tweaked and modded Mac mini with it....
Nick
nick, maybe you need a schiit eitr.   :D

http://www.schiit.com/products/eitr


doug s.


Hmmm, another gizmo....another box. Doug, I was wondering last night if there was such a device and here it is  :thumb: Iím just kicking back and enjoying the dac for a couple of hours late at night. Things are very hectic as weíre having some painting and flooring done. We actually found a construction guy whoís good, reliable, conscientious and ...... somewhat expensive. But at least itís gonna get done 🔨  🚧
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2018, 12:40:47 AM »
I hear ya!😁 I had an itch too. I just bought a Denafrips Terminator DAC after reading the buzz on the internet. I have around 45 hours on it and it is sounding pretty impressive.

They have a cheaper model called an Ares that suppose to sound pretty close to this flagship model.
If thatís true for the price itís a great find. I think it cost 8 or $900.

It is a latter Dac like your Schitt.

Ares is listed as 880 Singapore dollars which is around 650 bucks.

@mresseguie, if I remember you did a eval also on the Denafrips DAC (I vaguely remember that it might have been sent around on tour)

Sorry, Nick we are hijacking your Border Patrol thread  :duh

Howdy!

I need to dig around in my cobwebs a sec. Oh, yeah. Well, briefly here's what I did:

I auditioned the Venus model which is third in the line. I got it with under a 100 hours burn in. It did not sound very impressive, but I know (and knew then) that good DACs need time to burn in. By the time it had about 150(?) hours on it, I took it up to Bothell, WA for an audio G2G. A bunch of us heard it, but no one got excited. The following day I drove home. I continued burning it in for another 100-plus hours. Somewhere in the 250 to 300 hours range I started noticing the kind of results that I had hoped I might hear.

I was preparing to fly to Taiwan, so I shipped it back to Singapore. At that time, my thinking was that I would order the Terminator while I was in Taiwan. However, my plans changed for a couple reasons. The biggest reason is I decided to bring my Don Sachs Model 2 preamp back to Oregon to pair with my D Sachs Kootenay 120 amp and my Apollo speakers. Without a good preamp in Taiwan, there's no point in buying a nice DAC that lacks a volume control.

A second reason why I changed plans is because I decided to audition a DAC while I was temporarily back in OR/WA caring for my mother (this past Feb and March). I ended up auditioning the dB Audio Labs Tranquility SE DAC (with Jupiter Cu caps!). I honestly expected that I would be underwhelmed by this DAC and would send it back to Eric Heider. Guess what? With zero burn in, I hooked it up to my system and it sounded wonderful. It took the Venus nearly 300 hours to approach this level. So I didn't send it back. I bought the damned thing. [It's not a bad damned thing. It's a great damned thing!]

I wasn't impressed enough by the Venus to want to keep it. The Venus and the Tranquility are about the same price, I think. I paid extra to have the Jupiter caps added.

I still have no preamp in my system in Taiwan. I'm using my Gustard X20u as DAC/pre. It's not nearly as nice as when my Model 2 was in the system, but it's not bad either. I don't know what I will do at this point. I keep my eyes peeled for used Lampizator Atlantic DACs with volume control because I know I love its sound. However, the price is kinda scary. Perhaps I'll feel wealthier once I manage to sell my home in Oregon?

Does this help?

Michael


Hey Michael,
I remember your comments about the Tranquility. I forgot, did you use it with Erics Mac mini?
As to the Lampi, itís got a great reputation. Hope you find a ďpre-ownedĒ one
Nick
ICEpower 1200as2 stereo amp
Audio Hungary APR 204 preamp
KEF LS 50 speakers
Border Patrol SE dac
Auralic Aries Mini
Roon & Tidal
Don Sachs phono
Basis Ovation turntable
Graham 1.5 T tonearm
AT-ML150 cartridge
PI Audio Uber
All cables by Gary A

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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2018, 04:33:48 AM »
Emil, question, what do you do to step up from the B P DAC?
well, it seems to me that emil prefers his schiit yggdrasil.  i'd say try a modified art di/o.   :rofl:

doug s.

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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2018, 08:57:15 AM »
I hear ya!😁 I had an itch too. I just bought a Denafrips Terminator DAC after reading the buzz on the internet. I have around 45 hours on it and it is sounding pretty impressive.

They have a cheaper model called an Ares that suppose to sound pretty close to this flagship model.
If thatís true for the price itís a great find. I think it cost 8 or $900.

It is a latter Dac like your Schitt.

Ares is listed as 880 Singapore dollars which is around 650 bucks.

@mresseguie, if I remember you did a eval also on the Denafrips DAC (I vaguely remember that it might have been sent around on tour)

Sorry, Nick we are hijacking your Border Patrol thread  :duh

Howdy!

I need to dig around in my cobwebs a sec. Oh, yeah. Well, briefly here's what I did:

I auditioned the Venus model which is third in the line. I got it with under a 100 hours burn in. It did not sound very impressive, but I know (and knew then) that good DACs need time to burn in. By the time it had about 150(?) hours on it, I took it up to Bothell, WA for an audio G2G. A bunch of us heard it, but no one got excited. The following day I drove home. I continued burning it in for another 100-plus hours. Somewhere in the 250 to 300 hours range I started noticing the kind of results that I had hoped I might hear.

I was preparing to fly to Taiwan, so I shipped it back to Singapore. At that time, my thinking was that I would order the Terminator while I was in Taiwan. However, my plans changed for a couple reasons. The biggest reason is I decided to bring my Don Sachs Model 2 preamp back to Oregon to pair with my D Sachs Kootenay 120 amp and my Apollo speakers. Without a good preamp in Taiwan, there's no point in buying a nice DAC that lacks a volume control.

A second reason why I changed plans is because I decided to audition a DAC while I was temporarily back in OR/WA caring for my mother (this past Feb and March). I ended up auditioning the dB Audio Labs Tranquility SE DAC (with Jupiter Cu caps!). I honestly expected that I would be underwhelmed by this DAC and would send it back to Eric Heider. Guess what? With zero burn in, I hooked it up to my system and it sounded wonderful. It took the Venus nearly 300 hours to approach this level. So I didn't send it back. I bought the damned thing. [It's not a bad damned thing. It's a great damned thing!]

I wasn't impressed enough by the Venus to want to keep it. The Venus and the Tranquility are about the same price, I think. I paid extra to have the Jupiter caps added.

I still have no preamp in my system in Taiwan. I'm using my Gustard X20u as DAC/pre. It's not nearly as nice as when my Model 2 was in the system, but it's not bad either. I don't know what I will do at this point. I keep my eyes peeled for used Lampizator Atlantic DACs with volume control because I know I love its sound. However, the price is kinda scary. Perhaps I'll feel wealthier once I manage to sell my home in Oregon?

Does this help?

Michael


Hey Michael,
I remember your comments about the Tranquility. I forgot, did you use it with Eric's Mac mini?
As to the Lampi, itís got a great reputation. Hope you find a ďpre-ownedĒ one
Nick

Nick,

I have not tried Eric's Mac Mini, though I'm considering the possibility. I'm using the Mac Mini that I've had as my main computer for about three years. I know it's not ideal.

I've got one of Dave's Pi Audio USB cords and the special DAC power cord that Eric sells. 

Modwright Dan has announced plans to mod the Musical Paradise MP-D2 DAC. I think this has great potential. I have heard two separate owner modified MP-D2 DACs at the above G2G, so I know some of what the DAC is capable of. Its weak link IMO is the stock volume pot that is used. If you've got a separate preamp, the DAC sounds great; If you use the DAC as preamp, it sounds thin. MP's owner, Garry, did tell me about a better quality volume control, but I'm unfamiliar with its sound. Even a Modwright modded MP-D2 would be about half the price of an Atlantic(!).

How does the BP DAC sound in your system?

Michael
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2018, 11:17:13 PM »
Michael,
It really sounds nice. Very revealing and organic sounding. It has a little bit of sibilance, but I have a stock power cord on it and am using a new receptacle on the Uber. We have a contractor in the house, so no music for at least 5-7 days 😢😢
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2018, 11:29:53 PM »
Slip that contractor a twenty to get him moving! [I know. Twenty will get you nowhere.]

As we only just returned to our house; it's on the market, and it's nearly empty...I'm using a second system (Folsom's little chip amp, Nuprime DAC-9, Adelphos speakers and the new Obsession and one of the American 7+ PCs.

I haven't listened to these speakers in a few months and haven't had music in this particular room in a couple years, but the speakers seem a bit off. It could be the room, the new PCs, the combination of gear, speaker location, or the pollen in the air. Who knows?

You'll get your music and sanity back in no time.
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2018, 04:31:26 AM »
Michael,
It really sounds nice. Very revealing and organic sounding. It has a little bit of sibilance, but I have a stock power cord on it and am using a new receptacle on the Uber. We have a contractor in the house, so no music for at least 5-7 days 😢😢
Nick

Slap a TWL power cord on that baby. I believe Gary voices his gear with Pete's cords
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Re: Iím about to open the Border
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2018, 05:39:31 AM »
Michael,
It really sounds nice. Very revealing and organic sounding. It has a little bit of sibilance, but I have a stock power cord on it and am using a new receptacle on the Uber. We have a contractor in the house, so no music for at least 5-7 days 😢😢
Nick

Slap a TWL power cord on that baby. I believe Gary voices his gear with Pete's cords

For the record, Mr. Dews voices his DAC's with my "Split Power & Data" USB cable (with his MacMini), my "Spirit 75" S/PDIF cable (for his CD transport), and my "Digital American" power cord to power his DAC... same set-up for all the audio shows...

Happy Memorial Day weekend,
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