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Music Ward => Album Reviews => Topic started by: jsaliga on October 29, 2011, 09:05:41 PM
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Guys,
I would like to give those who might be interested a chance to spin a high quality 45 RPM 180g LP. It will be a jazz title, most likely a Blue Note reissue from Analogue Productions or Music Matters. These titles were cut by Kevin Gray and remastered by Steve Hoffman.
This would work on the honor system. Let's say 6 people are interested. I would send the record to the first member on the list. That member listens to the record once (no more than twice please), enjoys it for what it is, and then mails the record to the next person on the list, and so on. After the last member on the list has had their turn, they will send the record back to me and I will raffle it away.
I am doing this because it has been kindly pointed out to me that a lot of members here have not experienced these 45s and don't know where I am coming from when I talk about them.
So I want to give anyone here on AN who would like to take one of these 45s for a spin the opportunity to do so. Hopefully there will not be so much interest that you guys wear out my record before it gets back to me. :D
--Jerome
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Hey Jerome that's a great offer. But since record wear is a concern here is an idea that might be a good way to have a large amount of people experience the 45 LP with a minimal of wear on it. Rather than making it a tour of individual users maybe it would be more productive toi have it tour the local clubs. Having it tour some of the club G2Gs like the AudioSyndrome, the NY Audio Rave or Rich's RTP group would expose it to a large bunch of folks with a single play.
Just a thought.
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That's a great idea.
I would, however, prefer to give people the chance to spin the record on their own system. The list of people who are interested may be quite small. Perhaps even zero. I'm not too concerned about the affect of 10 to 20 plays. If we are looking at a lot more than that then I think what you are suggesting is a great alternative.
--Jerome
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Jerome -
A great idea, and of course I'd like to take part.
And you're right, I'd like to hear them on my own system.
But I have to echo Tom's concern regarding 'wear and tear' of the albums in transit.
Gene
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I hear ya Gene. The record would be something that I would donate to the cause and simply write off. Even if you guys wore it out would it would not find its way back into my LP library. So far the only people who have responded are you and Tom, and both of you have experienced 45 RPM vinyl so you have some idea of what this is all about.
I was mainly interested in reaching people who have not seen fit to try a 45LP but are curious and would welcome the chance.
Let's give it a little time and see if anyone is really interested. I could be just spinning my wheels with this.
--Jerome
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I'm not much of an audiophile when it comes to vinyl, for me vinyl is just about the melody, beat and lyrics and the phat compressed liquid smooth sound. But I have a nice TT now and I am interested in seeing what it's capable of, so I'll try it if you go forward, thanks Jerome. If you can get it down here by 11/12 then I can play it for the dozen guys at my meet.
I personally think Blue Note recordings are relatively poor compared to most other jazz recordings of the period, but I'm curious how much improvement Hoffman's mastering and use of modern high end equipment makes compared to Rudy's original. And also wondering how quality pressing differs from the dirty 80s Jap reissues that I use. I wouldn't buy it for myself, but I welcome the chance to try it. Thanks,
Rich
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We own several 45 reissues and all I can say is WOW!! or is that WOWIE. Either way Rich gotta give these babies a go.
Great idea Jerome.
charles
SMA
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I personally think Blue Note recordings are relatively poor compared to most other jazz recordings of the period, but I'm curious how much improvement Hoffman's mastering and use of modern high end equipment makes compared to Rudy's original.
If you're expecting the reissues to be an improvement over the original Blue Notes in terms of sonics then you are likely to be disappointed.
I'm a little surprised to see that that you think the Blue Notes have poor sound relative to releases on other labels of the period, since Rudy Van Gelder left his fingerprints all over a lot of jazz for a great many labels during a 12 year period beginning in the mid 1950s: including Prestige, Verve, Riverside, Savoy, Jazzland, Impulse!, and Blue Note. About the only labels that Van Gelder did not record and master for in that period were Columbia and Atlantic.
On the other hand, I know that Van Gelder is not without his critics. Charles Mingus didn't care for him at all and refused to use him in recording sessions, for example. Some have complained that Van Gelder butchered the sound of certain instruments, such as piano.
I suppose the records and sound agree with me and I think they sound just fine. I don't have a lot of original Blue Note deep groove pressings, but I have some. I think that the 45RPM reissues do justice to the original recorded sound on the master tapes. They are comparable to the original Blue Notes in the few cases where I have both. Barring pressing defects courtesy of RTI, the reissues are noise free.
--Jerome
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I'm interested! Thanks!
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Fortunately the music more than made up for any SQ issues. Eventually you just get used to RVG sound if you listen to enough of it. In the later years that are the most popular titles with the audiophile listeners the SQ had improved. Thanks Jerome.
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I think a real comparison of 45RPM vs 33RPM would be the real ticket here. I know that means 2 albums distributed for review and that may not be possible. I have no doubts that a 45RPM will sound glorious, but my real question is how much better than a decent 180-200g 33RPM of the same recording, and preferably the same mastering?
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I think a real comparison of 45RPM vs 33RPM would be the real ticket here. I know that means 2 albums distributed for review and that may not be possible. I have no doubts that a 45RPM will sound glorious, but my real question is how much better than a decent 180-200g 33RPM of the same recording, and preferably the same mastering?
To Bob: +1
To Jerome: First off, I think that you initiating this Vinyl Tour is really great! :thumb: Secondly, considering a few of my fellow Audio Syndrome members here locally have also asked to be included, please add me to the list.
Thanks!
SN
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Bob, you make an interesting point.
There is no way that I will let an original vintage Blue Note deep groove pressing out of my house. As for the 200g-180g thing...that sort of comparison might be difficult to line up and I would not be willing to subsidize it. The Classic Records 200g titles are pretty much irreplaceable since Analogue Productions bought them out and very few of them remain in existing stocks.
Here's the problem...Classic Records reissued a lot of Blue Note titles on 200g vinyl and most of those are in mono. The Analog Productions and Music Matters 45RPM Blue Note reissue series are, with a few exceptions, in stereo. It would be an apples to oranges comparison at best.
If it matters to anyone, I don't buy these things because I think they have the best sound. I buy them because there is NO lower cost alternative. Original Blue Note deep groove pressings are stratospherically priced, and it is fairly commonplace to see near-mint records commanding prices of $300 or more. I also own a lot of Classic Record BN mono pressings on 200g vinyl. Much has been made of the superiority of the mono pressings over the stereo pressings. Some of that is based on comments made by Rudy Van Gelder in a number of interviews about how he recorded and mastered for Alfred Lion. I find the differences in SQ to be so small that it really doesn't matter to me personally whether or not I have a particular title in mono or stereo. What matters more to me is that I have a record that plays cleanly with minimal noise, no pressing defects, and offers excellent sound. It really is getting more and more difficult to find deep groove BN pressings that satisfy those requirements and at the same time don't cost a small fortune.
--Jerome
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I hear you Jerome. I will also reiterate what everyone else is saying - you da man! :D/ :dj:
Maybe if you and Tom can work out which album is to be "on tour" Tom may have a 33RPM version of it in his vast archive. We could do the shootout that way to hear the difference. I would be happy to volunteer my place for that shootout if you want Tom.
Bob
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I picked up a near mint pressing of Wayne Shorter's "Speak No Evil" and it sounds very good. It is one of the best sounding records I have. I don't believe it is a re-issue but I wouldn't know how to tell one way or another. From and absolute standpoint it will give the few 45rpm pressings I have a run for the money.
Scotty
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I think a real comparison of 45RPM vs 33RPM would be the real ticket here. I know that means 2 albums distributed for review and that may not be possible. I have no doubts that a 45RPM will sound glorious, but my real question is how much better than a decent 180-200g 33RPM of the same recording, and preferably the same mastering?
Bob,
Classic Records put out od few single song releases that were matered at 33 on one side and 45 on the other for just that comparison. I have at two of them, Dusty Sprinfield singing "The Look of Lovfe" from Casino Royale and Bill Henderson doing "Send in the Clowns". I also have a couple of the early Keith Johnson Reference Recordings LPs in both speeds. Give me a call and we can set up a little listening session one night. You place or mine.
Tom
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I have "Chan Chan" from bela vista social club which is 33 on one side and 45 on the other, a test pressing.
It does show easily what happens at 45 speed, and it is only good :thumb: :drool:
Space, depth, air, refinement and focus...no tweak to gear can do what 45 does.
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Guys, I want to clarify my intent. It is to give people an opportunity to hear something of what these 45RPM audiophile LPs have to offer. If you already have a number of 45 LPs and still want in on this "tour" I won't deny you a chance to hear what I am providing, but I hope that we can save a little wear and tear on the records and try to make sure that everyone who hasn't heard one gets a chance to hear it at its best. The response to this offer has not been overwhelming so perhaps my concerns are a little overblown.
Whatever I supply I will simply write off. I'm not going to take anything off my shelf since I am all out of dupes. Instead I am going to place an order for a brand new 45 from Acoustic Sounds and that is what you will have to pass around. The $50 is not a big deal guys. It is a small price to pay when considering all that you have done for me, honestly. There's a lot of great folks here and this is simply my way of saying thank you.
Rich, it is doubtful that I will have something in your hands by the time of your gathering. In any event, I will make sure you get a chance to hear one of these 45s. I'm shooting for sometime in the next few weeks. I hope to have a 45 LP set out in rotation to you guys by mid November.
--Jerome
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Jerome - I only wish you lived closer. I would absolutely buy you a beer, or a glass of wine or whatever your preference is as we listenend to some good vinyl. Your generosity is astounding.
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Jerome - I only wish you lived closer. I would absolutely buy you a beer, or a glass of wine or whatever your preference is as we listenend to some good vinyl. Your generosity is astounding.
+1 :thumb:
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No problem, I'll invite the interested vinyl people over again whenever it arrives. They are a significantly smaller fraction of the whole group. Thanks!
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I have been a little preoccupied with other things and this sort of fell off my radar.
I have placed an order today with Acoustic Sounds. The album I have chosen for this tour is the Music Matters 45RPM 180g reissue of Louis Smith - Smithville, originally issued by Blue Note in 1958.
This is one of only two sessions recorded by Blue Note with Smith as leader. The lineup for this session is Louis Smith - Trumpet, Charlie Rouse - Tenor Sax, Sonny Clark - Piano, Paul Chambers - Bass, and Art Taylor - Drums.
Rich, I will send this out to you first since I already have your address from when you bought a cable from me a while back. I just ordered it today so I doubt it will be in your hands before Christmas. I'll get it out to you via Priority Mail as soon as it arrives.
Sorry for letting this fall through the cracks.
--Jerome
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No problem, I'll invite the interested vinyl people over again whenever it arrives. They are a significantly smaller fraction of the whole group. Thanks!
Rich, now is your chance to enlighten the rest of them. :thumb:
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No problem, I'll invite the interested vinyl people over again whenever it arrives. They are a significantly smaller fraction of the whole group. Thanks!
Rich, now is your chance to enlighten the rest of them. :thumb:
I just realized that en"light"en may not have been the best word to pick when talking about winning over CD lovers. :duh
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Thanks much Jerome! My TT is sounding nice now after I moved it off the carpet floor unto a wood cabinet, so I am interested to here some nice quality vinyl for a change. I do enjoy the quieter records I have.
Local vinylizers get ready for a little mini meet.
Sounds like a nice session, and I've never even heard of Louis Smith, much less heard him play! Nice band.
Thanks again Jerome.
Rich
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Rich, the LP went out to you today via insured Priority Mail. The post office said it will be delivered to you on Friday -- though I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
For those of you who want a listen after Rich has had his turn, now would be a good time to speak up.
Enjoy and Happy Holidays.
--Jerome
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Aye!
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Thanks Jerome, I'm looking forward to it!
People are welcome to drop over here this week and weekend if they want to hear it. Just PM me.
After me, I think Carl wants it, and maybe Steve after Christmas?
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Rich,
I would prefer to see the LP go to people who responded in this thread first.
Anyone is welcome as far as I am concerned, but the folks who have asked for it in this thread deserve the first cracks at it.
--Jerome
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I would like to hear it, Jerome. But only if it works out that I could do it quickly and not slow down the tour. (2-3 days is all I want)
Let me know if its possible or not.
Thanks,
Carl
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Carl,
I don't think you're asking for too much given all that you do in support of the community as our gracious host. So I don't have a problem with it.
I would like to see the LP passed along to BobM as soon you are finished with it. I think he was one of the first people who expressed interest who has not had the opportunity to hear one of these audiophile 45RPM sets. I know StereoNut expressed interest as well.
Enjoy.
--Jerome
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Carl,
I don't think you're asking for too much given all that you do in support of the community as our gracious host. So I don't have a problem with it.
I would like to see the LP passed along to BobM as soon you are finished with it. I think he was one of the first people who expressed interest who has not had the opportunity to hear one of these audiophile 45RPM sets. I know StereoNut expressed interest as well.
Enjoy.
--Jerome
Don't forget about me... being about 1.5 miles from BobM & about 10 miles from Stereonut... thanks!
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Don't forget about me...
It was an unintentional oversight. I would like to see everyone who wants a listen to get a listen.
Happy holidays.
--Jerome
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I received the records today in good shape. Looking forward to listening. Thanks Jerome! :thumb:
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Don't forget about me...
It was an unintentional oversight. I would like to see everyone who wants a listen to get a listen.
Happy holidays.
--Jerome
Happy Holidays to you as well, Jerome!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithville_(album)
I finally found a minute to sit down and listen uninterrupted. Still sealed, brand new!
Listening on my Clearaudio Concept with Maestro Wood MM cart, Vista amp, SS PP amp, all JPS SC3 wires, Gravesen DTQWT-12 speakers.
First impression is the new master is a normalish recording, with minimal sonic drama. There is a very natural brightness and crispness to the trumpet. He has a very full tone like Byrd, but with a little edginess like Morgan, and all of it comes in clearly. The trumpet tone is very full and warm, I suspect tube mic, tube compressor, etc.
The record is more dynamic than I'm used to from my 80s Jap Blue Notes. Maybe it is the lower noise floor, combined with more microdetail from the higher resolution.
I noticed only two slight ticks so far on the whole first side. It is virtually silent, that makes it easy to lose myself in the solos and groove.
Cymbal tone is awesome. As with the sax and trumpet raspiness, it is very natural, but the added detail brings the whole record more to life. OK first song done, time to get up and flip it... :rofl:
Side two, an uptempo bopper. Cymbal presence is really noticeable, and nice. Not the usual dead sizzle. I noticed on the groove feed in, that even with clean grooves, there is a rumble hiss noise floor. I have it really cranked which brings it up but it is an unavoidable aspect of vinyl, even the most perfect records have groove noise. On a record like this the music easily drowns it all out. Even more gorgeous trumpet splat on this tune. He has great time and good ears and mature worthy presence in the music, but he's not particularly innovative as soloist.
I keep coming back to the drums. So much more alive. Piano is a lot more punchy too. This cart and the horn loaded woofers really get the bass violin right. PCs solo here is very powerful, clear, detailed. The bow texture is nice to hear on vinyl, rather than just the fundamental.
Don't know if this is the record, or my cart, or vibration coming in from speakers but when the band is playing at full tilt, I hear some distortion like tube overload growl, more on the first side, I haven't noticed it again.
The inner sleeves are thick polyethylene tinted pink with static control coating. Static was minimal when removing the discs. The outgroove of side two was much quieter, as was the ingroove of side 3. Did I mention another flip?
The record jacket is thick, heavy, gloss varnish, beautiful photos. Compared to my jap reissues this is first class packaging.
Side 3 is a ballad showcase for the leader. He has such a beautiful tone. On his loudest peaks I start to hear a touch of the distortion again. It is a break up. Could well be on the original tapes as overload. There is a significant amount of tube compression on him, so could be overloading an outboard tube stage, or a worn tube. Seems to only happen on the trumpet. The piano is just as hot, in similar frequency band, and no break up. I hope someone later in the tour can listen for this raspiness on the trumpet. I've heard it before on trumpets playing through vintage tube gear.
The sax is a little bright. Too much sibilance, or 'spit' as musicians call it. Since it's only on the sax it must be the mic choice or recording EQ. His midrange is boosted too. Very forward sound compared to his more restrained tone on recordings for Columbia. The sibilance is most noticeable when he plays softly like background for the trumpet feature. When he comes in after the trumpet solo it sounds like bad distortion until I hear that it's the check. When blowing hard it is more balanced but still pretty forward. The third side is noisier than the others, but still quieter than most of my Blue Notes. Flip!
Side 4 starts off a little bit hot. I think the sax and cymbals are starting to get to me. Nice Charlie Rouse solo to start. Beautiful sax sound. I am familiar with his tone from the very well recorded Teo Macero sessions on Columbia with Monk. This is more detailed and intimate without as much room echo. This is the benefit of more forward EQ. Lots of compression on that trumpet!! But it is buttery smooth and lovely. He is getting going now, pressing out some nice lines and clever turnarounds on the 4th track.
The cymbal resolution is just amazing to hear all those metallic overtones in there so clearly. Almost like being on stage with him. On the out chorus the same midrange boost is evident as at the beginning on the 4th tune. I think it is just the mike choice of the sax. The midrange boost happens whenever he is playing.
5th tune is back to normal, a more open, fuller feel without the sax. Lots of trumpet sparkle, very natural trumpet sound, but phat. I'm impressed that my cartridge can play this! Says a lot for the humble Vista phono preamp too.
The rimshot accents on the drum comps really allow me to hear deep into the soundstage space, and there is a lot to hear with Rudy's one room setup. No isolation booths here! The drums are miked with a single mic overhead and another sometimes on the hihat. Snare and toms are the usual distant open sound, but there is a lot more detail in the reverb at 45rpm. The last side outgroove is noisy. Side 2 and 4 seem noisier than 1&3, maybe it's something with a particular side of the pressing machine? Not really bad noise, just a few pops that I only noticed on the groove out. There is hardly any perceivable noise behind the music.
This was a good listening experience for me and it was fun to hear a record sound so clear and dynamic. I can see the appeal of 45s for these recordings if one loves to hear the sonic details. 45 allows the full resolution of the original tape to come through.
I devoured many Blue notes in my teens on less than hifi gear, so for me the value of these recordings is not so much the sound quality. But it is fun to hear the subtle details of Rudy's recording technique, and the tonal inflections of the musicians more clearly.
Big thanks to Jerome for sending this record on tour and for allowing me this learning experience.
Rich
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Sounds like you had a lot of fun listening, Rich. Can't wait to hear it!
Please do not expect as much info in my review. :0 but I'll do my best. :)
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Just dig it in your own way! I was inspired by an abundance of Christmas cookies and eggnog to wear down my keyboard, and this post was the unfortunate victim.
How's Thursday?
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Good, come early. 9ish ok?
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So Rich hand delivered this album today and I can only echo his accolades as to the quality of record pressing and packaging.
The sound quality is indeed spectacular. It's what vinyl should be. The quality of the actual musicians and their intent really shine through. The trumpet player seems pretty uninspired and the sax player is pretty good but seems bored. The piano player and drummer are really good and they really make the record worth listening to. It was amazing to me to pick up on these queues and be able to critique the performance without even thinking about the quality of the record itself. I'm not sure if it's the 45 speed or what, but it sounded as good as that recording could ever sound. I would imagine the 33 is like an mp3. ;)
In any case, I did enjoy what this pressing had to offer. It was kind of a step back in time to hear what likely was as good as could be done when this was recorded. It is alive and real. I appreciate the opportunity to hear it.
I didn't have the original 33 to compare so I can't comment on what 45 has over 33 or whether this particular pressing was better than something else. We did put on another jazz album and I could kind of hear some differences I might contribute to the 45 vs 33 but that's stretching it.
I do know that on my rig, this album sounded incredibly good overall. I didn't know what to expect but this definitely gave me a data point for gauging the 'goodness' of other old jazz albums on vinyl. I'd never heard of this trumpet player nor am I sure why they would choose to put him on a super-high-quality pressing... but if you want to hear all you can get from 'a jazz recording' this is it!
Thanks again,
Carl
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Still waiting for it to arrive (expecting it tomorrow probably), but I am spending the evening with my newly acquired 45RPM Body and Soul by Freddie Hubbard. I, in fact, do have a CD of this fine album to compare against (wish I also had a 33RPM to A-B against). Very interesting findings so far.
On slow simple ballads I can honestly say there is little difference between the CD and the record. However, on the faster more uptempo and dynamic pieces the difference is very much real. Real is a good word for the increased transparency and dynamics I am hearing. Very nice, but then I also hear this same kind of improvements from CD to regular vinyl, and I don't have to get up and flip the record every other song. Still, a very nice record and I am happy about the purchase. This is as good a place to start as any, I suppose.
Also, I have not yet cleaned the record - playing virgin vinyl as it arrived. I suspect there will be further improvements after cleaning and I will A-B again down the road.
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The record has not yet been cleaned since pressing. I'm wondering if the few minor clicks will cure with a wash.
Good observation about up tempo dynamics and life. I noticed that also on the 45.
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I gave the album a listen this afternoon and loved it musically. I would up cleaning it afterwards and am back at the system now to give it a late night listen when the power is cleaner and everything is quiet and I've had a few libations to limber the ears and the soul.
First impressions - very nice sides 1 and 3, where it is a bit more slow blues. The faster tracks are nice too, but overall more of a "Dizzy G" kind of chops playing that will take more time to fully appreciate.
I find that I need to reduce my step up cartridge loading with the 45RRPM's (including my new Freddy Hubbard Body and Soul) because the 45's seem to have more energy overall that 33RPM's, almost too much I think. They are very transparent and clean sounding, but a bit lacking in overall soul until I step them down. Then they are spitting at me and sounding ohhh so awsomely real.
The most notable thing I hear is the dynamics on these pieces. So much more than digital, and better than 33RPM overall, though I don't have a direct comparison.
Yes, nice, nice, very nice. I can see the appeal, but at such a big premium over regular 33RPM's I can usually find for under $5. They are definitely clean sounding, with any pops and clicks going by so fast that they are essentially not there (especially after cleaning).
I think that if you really like an album and it is offered on 45RPM you should get it and have a truly amazing reproduction of it. But it is hard to justify spending this kind of dough on a try buy. But if you get the right record it is truly the best you can have. After all, isn't this what we are shooting for after all.
I do have to say though ... I have gotten up twice now to flip sides as I am composing and typing this somewhat short e-mail. So it is a bit inconvenient.
I'l;l pass it to Pete next for his impression on his new Well Tempered Reference and horn system. Should be amazing.
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I gave the album a listen this afternoon and loved it musically. I would up cleaning it afterwards and am back at the system now to give it a late night listen when the power is cleaner and everything is quiet and I've had a few libations to limber the ears and the soul.
First impressions - very nice sides 1 and 3, where it is a bit more slow blues. The faster tracks are nice too, but overall more of a "Dizzy G" kind of chops playing that will take more time to fully appreciate.
I find that I need to reduce my step up cartridge loading with the 45RRPM's (including my new Freddy Hubbard Body and Soul) because the 45's seem to have more energy overall that 33RPM's, almost too much I think. They are very transparent and clean sounding, but a bit lacking in overall soul until I step them down. Then they are spitting at me and sounding ohhh so awsomely real.
The most notable thing I hear is the dynamics on these pieces. So much more than digital, and better than 33RPM overall, though I don't have a direct comparison.
Yes, nice, nice, very nice. I can see the appeal, but at such a big premium over regular 33RPM's I can usually find for under $5. They are definitely clean sounding, with any pops and clicks going by so fast that they are essentially not there (especially after cleaning).
I think that if you really like an album and it is offered on 45RPM you should get it and have a truly amazing reproduction of it. But it is hard to justify spending this kind of dough on a try buy. But if you get the right record it is truly the best you can have. After all, isn't this what we are shooting for after all.
I do have to say though ... I have gotten up twice now to flip sides as I am composing and typing this somewhat short e-mail. So it is a bit inconvenient.
I'l;l pass it to Pete next for his impression on his new Well Tempered Reference and horn system. Should be amazing.
Bring it on over... :thumb:
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I find that I need to reduce my step up cartridge loading with the 45RRPM's (including my new Freddy Hubbard Body and Soul) because the 45's seem to have more energy overall that 33RPM's, almost too much I think. They are very transparent and clean sounding, but a bit lacking in overall soul until I step them down. Then they are spitting at me and sounding ohhh so awsomely real.
I have a high output MC so my loading is set at 47K and that's that so the thought of changing loadings for different (or at least different type of) recordings has never occurred to me. Interesting concept. :-k
Has anyone else running a low output MC ever play with this?
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Has anyone else running a low output MC ever play with this?
Nope. Once I have the loading matched to the cartridge I have never felt the need to back and adjust it later. It certainly would never occur to me to change it based on the record pressing.
Then again, I doubt that I am using the same tonearm, wire, cartridge, and phono preamp as Bob. What he is hearing could be somewhat unique to his set up. What he is describing doesn't square with my experience with these 45RPM pressings, but that doesn't mean he isn't making a valid point.
--Jerome
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Just to let you know that I'm in possession of the Louis Smith - Smithville 45 rpm LP. Bob literally came over 20 minutes ago & we listened to Side 1 - noticed some clicks in the beginning of the track probably due to some foreign debris embedded in the grooves. If OK with Jerome, I will put on my new VPI-16.5 RCM for a nice gentle cleaning; my VPI has done a phenomenal job in cleaning my LP's - a lot better than my time-intensive hand cleaning with Duane Goldman's Disc Doctor stuff...
Back to the music; sweet, dynamic, completely uncompressed, tonality very nice...
Thanks, Jerome! This is a pleasure!...so relaxing...
Who's next on the list? tmazz or StereoNut? I will hand deliver when the time comes :cry:
Thanks again,
Pete
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Guys,
You may do with the records whatever you wish. I am not expecting, nor do I want them returned after the tour. I already have a nice copy of this title in my record library. So if any of you have particularly strong feelings about wanting the record after the tour then I would like that person to keep and enjoy it with my blessings. The only thing that I care about is that people who want to hear this record get a chance to listen to it.
I am very surprised that no one has cleaned the LPs. Every record that comes through my door, new or used, gets a good going over with my VPI 16.5 and nylon brush. I make two passes, one with a cleaning solution and a second with pure distilled water. New records often have some residual mold release compound in the grooves that can foul the stylus very quickly. Its best to get that nasty stuff off of your records before playing them for the first time.
--Jerome
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hear this record get a chance to listen to it.
I am very surprised that no one has cleaned the LPs. Every record that comes through my door, new or used, gets a good going over with my VPI 16.5 and nylon brush. I make two passes, one with a cleaning solution and a second with pure distilled water. --Jerome
I believe BobM used his Disc Doctor hand cleaning method before giving to me... I have found that the VPI RCM does a much better job. However, I found the the Disc Doctor brushes do a much better job of cleaning than the VPI nylon one...
My $0.02,
Pete
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Funny. I like the VPI nylon brush much better. I once had the adhesive on a disc doctor brush break down, come apart, and seep glue into the grooves of a record while I was trying to scrub it.
YMMV with any cleaning regimen. I think most vinylphiles have found cleaning supplies and procedures that they have come to trust.
--Jerome
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I'm probably going to break down and get a VPI machine in the future. The hand cleaning does a pretty good job, but there are some ticks left over if the rinse isn't thorough enough. The vacuum is just a much better idea/model.
Birthday in April - maybe then, or maybe a new long handled belly putter for golf season (TBD). :D/
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Who's next on the list? tmazz or StereoNut?
I think StereoNut was next.
I know Gene wanted to give it a listen. Could someone pass it along to him when the NY area AN members are finished?
If there is anyone else who wants to take it for a spin please ask.
Thanks.
--Jerome
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I'm in FL this week and next, skip me till end.
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Where is the LP?
--Jerome
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Bill (Stereonut) has it now... :thumb:
Where is the LP?
--Jerome
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Where is the LP?
--Jerome
Update... Rollo has it now! :)
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Charles,
Please reach out to Gene when you are finished.
--The Closet Music Lover
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Charles,
Please reach out to Gene when you are finished.
--The Closet Music Lover
Would you believe..........
(Nice avatar)
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I'm at customer site in FL till Thursday, so no hurry.
Gene
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Listened to the LP. Dynamic with presence. the music is good. Maybe a bit busy for me but a tight group. Loved track 4 then 3.
For me the extra money is worth it . However I will reserve the purchase for the really special albums I love.
Jerome thanks again for doing this. A very nice gesture indeed. :thumb:
charles
Gene PM me when your ready.
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PM sent, good timing as home for next 2 weeks.
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Hey all ... am I too late to get on the tour bus route? Is it Smithville making the rounds? Rich, has this made it to you or around NC and is it worth the listen, maybe at our next G2G?
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We already had it Tim. I wrote too much about it further up.
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Hey all ... am I too late to get on the tour bus route? Is it Smithville making the rounds? Rich, has this made it to you or around NC and is it worth the listen, maybe at our next G2G?
I see no reason why you can't take it for a spin after Gene and Bill have had their turn.
--Jerome
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Still waiting for it, must be coming by Pony Express.
I intend to keep it most of next week as I'm home from the road, then off to Bill.
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I know it has been a while...but who has the LP?
--Jerome
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Hey guys I just got a mailing from Music Direct (yes, a snail mail catalog, I guess they figure anyone who is still spinning vinyl will still be reading paper sale flyers. :rofl:)
If anyone really like the 45 LP that Jerome sent around on tour you might be interested to know that Music Direct is having an inventory reduction sale (they are moving) and one of the things that is on the sale list is the 180g 2 45 rpm LP set of Louis Smith's "Smithville". It is listed in the flyer with a frice of $39.99 (reg. $49.99) and if you use the code coupon MOVE10 at checkout you will get another 10% off on top of that.
Good price and I doubt this one will be in print for much longer, so grab 'em if you want 'em.
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Thanks Tom - Since Jerome's original copy never made it to me I'll grab this.
Gene
Hey guys I just got a mailing from Music Direct (yes, a snail mail catalog, I guess they figure anyone who is still spinning vinyl will still be reading paper sale flyers. :rofl:)
If anyone really like the 45 LP that Jerome sent around on tour you might be interested to know that Music Direct is having an inventory reduction sale (they are moving) and one of the things that is on the sale list is the 180g 2 45 rpm LP set of Louis Smith's "Smithville". It is listed in the flyer with a frice of $39.99 (reg. $49.99) and if you use the code coupon MOVE10 at checkout you will get another 10% off on top of that.
Good price and I doubt this one will be in print for much longer, so grab 'em if you want 'em.
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Gene, it should have come your way. I believe Bill has it. If you still want to listen to it get in touch with him.
Bill...please work this out with Gene if he is still interested...he should have had his turn with it a long time ago. Thanks.
--Jerome
Thanks Tom - Since Jerome's original copy never made it to me I'll grab this.
Gene
Hey guys I just got a mailing from Music Direct (yes, a snail mail catalog, I guess they figure anyone who is still spinning vinyl will still be reading paper sale flyers. :rofl:)
If anyone really like the 45 LP that Jerome sent around on tour you might be interested to know that Music Direct is having an inventory reduction sale (they are moving) and one of the things that is on the sale list is the 180g 2 45 rpm LP set of Louis Smith's "Smithville". It is listed in the flyer with a frice of $39.99 (reg. $49.99) and if you use the code coupon MOVE10 at checkout you will get another 10% off on top of that.
Good price and I doubt this one will be in print for much longer, so grab 'em if you want 'em.
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Gene, it should have come your way. I believe Bill has it. If you still want to listen to it get in touch with him.
Bill...please work this out with Gene if he is still interested...he should have had his turn with it a long time ago. Thanks.
--Jerome
Thanks Tom - Since Jerome's original copy never made it to me I'll grab this.
Gene
Guys, check out reply#59 on previous page... that may answer the question...???
SN
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Hey guys I just got a mailing from Music Direct (yes, a snail mail catalog, I guess they figure anyone who is still spinning vinyl will still be reading paper sale flyers. :rofl:)
If anyone really like the 45 LP that Jerome sent around on tour you might be interested to know that Music Direct is having an inventory reduction sale (they are moving) and one of the things that is on the sale list is the 180g 2 45 rpm LP set of Louis Smith's "Smithville". It is listed in the flyer with a frice of $39.99 (reg. $49.99) and if you use the code coupon MOVE10 at checkout you will get another 10% off on top of that.
Good price and I doubt this one will be in print for much longer, so grab 'em if you want 'em.
Tom,
Thanks for twisting my arm and making open up that flyer... got the new reissue Brubeck 45 RPM "Time Out" as well as the 45 RPM Ella & Louie (Verve)... I also got the brand new reissue of Nick Drake's "Pink Moon"... rated a "10 / 10" on music & "11 / 10" on sonics on Mikey Fremer's analog planet!
Gotta stop reading these threads... :duh
BTW... spend $100 & get free FedEx shipping too!
Cheers,
Pete
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Hey guys I just got a mailing from Music Direct (yes, a snail mail catalog, I guess they figure anyone who is still spinning vinyl will still be reading paper sale flyers. :rofl:)
If anyone really like the 45 LP that Jerome sent around on tour you might be interested to know that Music Direct is having an inventory reduction sale (they are moving) and one of the things that is on the sale list is the 180g 2 45 rpm LP set of Louis Smith's "Smithville". It is listed in the flyer with a frice of $39.99 (reg. $49.99) and if you use the code coupon MOVE10 at checkout you will get another 10% off on top of that.
Good price and I doubt this one will be in print for much longer, so grab 'em if you want 'em.
Tom,
Thanks for twisting my arm and making open up that flyer... got the new reissue Brubeck 45 RPM "Time Out" as well as the 45 RPM Ella & Louie (Verve)... I also got the brand new reissue of Nick Drake's "Pink Moon"... rated a "10 / 10" on music & "11 / 10" on sonics on Mikey Fremer's analog planet!
Gotta stop reading these threads... :duh
BTW... spend $100 & get free FedEx shipping too!
Cheers,
Pete
Pete now your in the Pumpkin zone :thumb: :thumb:
I love my copy
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Tom,
Thanks for twisting my arm and making open up that flyer... got the new reissue Brubeck 45 RPM "Time Out" as well as the 45 RPM Ella & Louie (Verve)... I also got the brand new reissue of Nick Drake's "Pink Moon"... rated a "10 / 10" on music & "11 / 10" on sonics on Mikey Fremer's analog planet!
Gotta stop reading these threads... :duh
BTW... spend $100 & get free FedEx shipping too!
Cheers,
Pete
Hey, what are friends for? 8)
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Jerome -
Bill followed up with me - it's all good. :thumb:
Pink Moon rated an 11/10 - I have to get me some of that.
Gene, it should have come your way. I believe Bill has it. If you still want to listen to it get in touch with him.
Bill...please work this out with Gene if he is still interested...he should have had his turn with it a long time ago. Thanks.
--Jerome
Thanks Tom - Since Jerome's original copy never made it to me I'll grab this.
Gene
Hey guys I just got a mailing from Music Direct (yes, a snail mail catalog, I guess they figure anyone who is still spinning vinyl will still be reading paper sale flyers. :rofl:)
If anyone really like the 45 LP that Jerome sent around on tour you might be interested to know that Music Direct is having an inventory reduction sale (they are moving) and one of the things that is on the sale list is the 180g 2 45 rpm LP set of Louis Smith's "Smithville". It is listed in the flyer with a frice of $39.99 (reg. $49.99) and if you use the code coupon MOVE10 at checkout you will get another 10% off on top of that.
Good price and I doubt this one will be in print for much longer, so grab 'em if you want 'em.
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Any comments on SQ with the new Pink Moon reissue?
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SQ is very, very good. It's a pretty simple intimate recording and IMHO, not too much to mess-up...
My $0.02,
Pete
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SQ is very, very good. It's a pretty simple intimate recording and IMHO, not too much to mess-up...
My $0.02,
Pete
I second that :thumb:
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Thanks for the feedback, its now at the top of my wish list.
Is that 45 rpm tour record still floating around?
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Thanks for the feedback, its now at the top of my wish list.
Is that 45 rpm tour record still floating around?
Sorry it has a permanent home now
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Is that 45 rpm tour record still floating around?
Sorry it has a permanent home now
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Yes...... it does, doesn't it. :rofl:
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Is that 45 rpm tour record still floating around?
Sorry it has a permanent home now
Yes...... it does, doesn't it. :rofl:
You can bet your sweet bippy on it
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Is that 45 rpm tour record still floating around?
No. The tour happened almost a year ago.
--Jerome