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The Market => Dealer Ads => Topic started by: rollo on January 31, 2012, 06:38:34 AM
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The Qol unit is selling above our expectations. Sorry to inform interested parties that BSGT is out of stock as well as Swap Meet Audio.
We will continue our in home demo program. New units will be available in 4 to 6 weeks.
charles
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Congrats to you and BSGT Charles!
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In the TAS review of the Qol they stated that the company is really focused on licensing the technology, not manufacturing it and that this unit is likely to be the only one they ever produce. In light of the way it is selling I wonder if they will be revisiting that position.
Having seen and heard the unit I do have one suggestion for them. The unit has all kinds of inputs, which while they all lots of flexibility, also add considerable complication (and cost). Every installation of this unit that I have seen or read about places it in one spot and basically leaves it there. I have yet to hear of anyone who is putting multiple source components into the Qol and then using the Qol to switch them into her preamp. Perhaps a simpler unit with a single input could be produced as a more cost effective implementation of this technology.
Just my 2 cents......
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Great Idea!
One in-put, 1 out-put, and a by-pass switch in a smaller package, for insertion between the pre-amp and amp, would reduce costs at multiple steps along the manufacturing and delivery chain.
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In the TAS review of the Qol they stated that the company is really focused on licensing the technology, not manufacturing it and that this unit is likely to be the only one they ever produce. In light of the way it is selling I wonder if they will be revisiting that position.
Having seen and heard the unit I do have one suggestion for them. The unit has all kinds of inputs, which while they all lots of flexibility, also add considerable complication (and cost). Every installation of this unit that I have seen or read about places it in one spot and basically leaves it there. I have yet to hear of anyone who is putting multiple source components into the Qol and then using the Qol to switch them into her preamp. Perhaps a simpler unit with a single input could be produced as a more cost effective implementation of this technology.
Just my 2 cents......
I would buy a QOL in a heartbeat if it was a smaller unit with a simple interface (2 connections) between my preamp & amps. Hopefully that would translate into a lower price as well!
Hint, hint Charles!!!
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Gents the Qol is intended to go between either source and preamp or between Pre and Amp.
If used between source and pre additional inputs are required. The two outputs are required for subs and or bi-amping.
The Qol should be tried in both applications. In a CD only based system before the Pre might be preferred. If you have a separate phono preamp and linestage then before the Pre may sound better to you. trial and error.
All options were considered with the layout. The licensing chip is a different animal. Not designed to be part of our type of systems. A more refined application for us. However you never know.
charles
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I don't know Charles... you just heard from a few potential customers that the offering would be more to their liking if there were some alterations to the product, and then you tell us we're mistaken(?)
The customer is always right. Even more so when they haven't yet written a check ;)
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Let's face it, this is BSG's first generation product, straight outta the gate. IF indeed they are to stick around long term, I would hope that a less expensive unit would be introduced, maybe with a simple 1in/1out unit for the most basic setup. In today's world, $4k is out of the reach of many folk who's whole system may not all that much more than $4K. BSG makes a small market even smaller with that pricetag imho.
That said, I absolutely refuse to demo the QOL until it's at a price I can afford. I won't live life eating my heart out cuz I either couldn't afford it or my heart's all that's left for me to eat cuz I did buy it. :rofl:
Cheers,
Robin
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The sad truth is deleting a few jacks and relays will not measurably reduce the cost of the product, only mass production can do that. If you can afford to buy more parts at a lower cost then you can produce more units and sell them at a lower price. This is usually beyond small companies just starting up.
Scott
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Scotty, it's more than "just a few jacks", it's drilling the holes that they get mounted in, the added wire, and the labor to install them, it's the switching circuitry, and the larger chassis to hold it, it's the larger shipping box and increased cost of shipping that bigger heavier product, it all adds to the cost.
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Let's put it this way, I don't deleting a few jacks and slightly shrinking the chassis as adding up to cutting the cost of the product in half. Now if in addition to the aforementioned, you put in an inadequate power supply and inferior parts, then maybe you could save some serious change.
Of course that would kind of defeat the purpose of showing off what you can do with your technology with your first product to appear in the marketplace. You only get one chance to make a good first impression.
Scotty
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The sad truth is deleting a few jacks and relays will not measurably reduce the cost of the product, only mass production can do that. If you can afford to buy more parts at a lower cost then you can produce more units and sell them at a lower price. This is usually beyond small companies just starting up.
Scott
Agreed. And I'm sure the fixed cost of re-enginnering the box and retooling the production line wold more than eat up any cost savings that might come of it, so I am not talking about initiating this change as a way of lowering the retail price. I was thinking more along the line of if they were ever to think about introducing a second model it wouldn't be a bad idea to think about simplifying the input section because from everything I have seen or read about people using this unit it looks like next to nobody is using the input switching function.
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I don't know Charles... you just heard from a few potential customers that the offering would be more to their liking if there were some alterations to the product, and then you tell us we're mistaken(?)
The customer is always right. Even more so when they haven't yet written a check ;)
Barry sorry if you feel that way, I do not believe I said that anyone was mistaken. Yes the customer is always right. The Qol as implemented allows a user to install between multiple sources then to preamp. If used after preamp two outputs are still required for some users.
The chip for commercial use is NOT the same animal. The sonics are not state of the art audiophile quality. Close but no cigar.
After discussing this at length with BSG the conclusion was about a $500 savings if produced. Two outputs and two inputs would be the minimum. Most have two sources. Two outputs for sub use or bi- amping is a must. That would just would eliminate two or three [ for one input systems] inputs. Options must cover all uses. Dealers :thumb: have the choice to discount the product more than the savings incurred in manufacturing.
The product sold out at the list price. We should have stock again by next week. We just cannot keep them very long. Every home demo [ not club events] so far one was sold. They just sell themselves it appears. We feel the Qol is an absolute game changer. Over 200 happy customers so far. Not bad eh !
If anyone on AN is interested PM me to discuss availability and accommodation. Home demo rules.
charles
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Glad to hear it's a succesful product for you Charles :thumb:
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Glad to hear it's a succesful product for you Charles :thumb:
Thanks. :thumb:
charles
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The customer is NOT always right. Only people with an outrageously inflated sense of entitlement think that businesses should accede to their unreasonable demands. These are the sort of people that smart businesses want nothing to do with because they are actually bad for business in the long run.
http://positivesharing.com/2006/07/why-the-customer-is-always-right-results-in-bad-customer-service/
--Jerome
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It appears John Atkinson of Sterophile was smitten with the QOL demo in LA. He has requested a review unit.
We will be demonstrating the QOL device at the DC Capitol Audiofest. Come hear for yourself.
charles