AudioNervosa
The Market => Dealer Ads => Topic started by: hometheaterdoc on November 13, 2009, 10:57:09 AM
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SOLD!! Thanks!!
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How do these sound in comparison to the big Usher BE-20's? same type of sound?
Rob S.
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Cool deal! They look gorgeous.
(http://pic5.audiogon.com/i/c/f/1250621871.jpg)
I have never heard the Von Schweikerts.
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Very different kind of sound.... i'll try to hit everything in bullet point form as I can be a bit wordy from time to time :)
-VSA uses rear firing ambience tweeter that is adjustable to create more depth, more 3D type image and soundstage, as well as improve ambience...
-VSA crossover and design creates imaging and soundstaging capabilities that exist from way outside the sweetspot. Go way off axis, stand up, move around the room, etc. The VSA is pretty much the same tonally and still maintains image even way off axis. Speakers are still disappearing from waay off to the sides. The Ushers can't accomplish the same thing.
-VSA goes for more balanced sound top to bottom. Usher has more punch and drive to things and emphasizes the midbass a bit more. Usher loads the room more with their dual 11 inch woofers and gives the impression of more impact and deeper bass. But VSA in fact actually has lower frequency performance. It's just not the same impact. VSA goes for more bass detail and pitch definition. Usher wants to rock you upside the head a bit more and party.
-VSA is a bit more neutral from top to bottom whereas Usher has its own character. Usher midrange and tweeter is a bit more ruthless than VSA, but VSA is far from a slouch at all in resolution, detail and transparency aspect.
-both like power if you give it to them, but can work with much lower power if it is good stuff. Lamm with VSA is a very nice combo...
-VSA is a bit more "traditional box" looking in spite of separate mid/tweeter and woofer box design than the curvy Be-20. Be-20 takes up more real estate as well because of pitched baffle. Last significant other MUCH prefered Usher. Current significant other much prefers look of VSA. personal preference I guess....
-a lot of it boils down to price. VSA is reference class, but MSRP is now $28K. Usher Be-20, even with price increase is only $18.8K. $9K price differential is nothing to sneeze at. I chose Usher because I liked the lower price point, especially before the price increases. I felt I could sell more of them as values than the then $25K price of the VSA VR-5SE.
I've only heard the VR-5 Anniversaries once in show conditions and I didn't like the electronics used in front of it. I've heard the VR-5SE a number of times and had the 4SR on display for 1.5 years. My customer had his Anniversaries custom wired with JPS Labs and he's ecstatic with the improvement over the existing VR-5SE. I haven't heard his pair yet as he's not just down the street from me. I will say that the VR-5SE is the only design with the Scanspeak dual ring tweeter that I've really liked. I've heard the VR-9 a number of times and spent quite a bit of time with a pair of VR-11s. The 5s have a lot of the amazing traits of those bigger speakers...
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Come on MegaMillions...... [-o<
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Shane, you never cease to intrigue me with offers... OK, I have to ask - you've heard my Aerial 10Ts. Any chance you can comment on these compared to the 10Ts? I seem to recall having heard a pair fo Von Schweikert speakers at your townhouse ages ago and being impressed, but I don't recall the model.
Ah, my heart is there but the budget is unwilling.... but one of these days something is going to pry the 10Ts away. While they are ugly speakers (my wife's words and I really can't argue the fact), they do know how to sing.
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They're front ported so will fit your current setup without coming into the room much more at all. They are maybe a touch deeper in size than your 10Ts but I don't think are as wide. You've got the overall airspace, but I'm not sure if the room depth is right. These can sound amazing tight up against the front wall (I've run them that way), but really come alive if you can get them out into the room a touch and engage the rear ambience tweeter a bit more.
Way more scale capability than your speaker. They go deeper than your 10T.. or at least deeper than I've heard your 10Ts go... so it could be room and placement affecting things with your 10T. Pitch and detail is better as well. Top end extension is much greater with the VSA. Not sure if you'd hear it or not, though ;) sorry, couldn't resist :) hehe Overall resolution, realism, and naturalness is better.
Much prettier speaker, imo than yours.
I'm really not trying to bad mouth your speakers as your setup is *very* nice. But these are in a completely different league than your 10Ts, imho.... as well they should be given the pricing...
You heard the VR-4SR MKI at my old place. These are a number of steps up in performance than the old VR-4SR MKI. There's more dealer cost in the crossover parts for these than there was in the whole VR-4SR MKI speaker.
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Top end extension is much greater with the VSA. Not sure if you'd hear it or not, though ;) sorry, couldn't resist :) hehe
Ouch! Just a cruel thing to say to a rapidly aging audiogeek. I'm thinking I need to find a forum called AudioSenility... I bet I'd have lots of company.
Hey, just knowing that the extension is there would make me feel good. They are totally beautiful speakers. But... my room, my aging ears and my bank account are what they are and sadly don't include room for $16k speakers (but hey, a guy can't dream can't he? ;-)
Now where did I put those Powerball tickets.... :rofl:
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Hey, I was just poking a little fun.... no offence intended whatsoever... it's going for everyone as we add a few days to our age, myself included. I've noticed mine doesn't go quite as high anymore, which honestly is a good thing for me... I can tolerate more stuff than I used to be able to....
it's not a cheap price for the speakers, agreed... but relatively speaking, it's a steal for the look and performance. Honestly, if he had to do it all over again, I bet my customer would have lived without the speakers for a bit so he could keep the african ebony veneer. Plus, he's taking a bath on the speakers compared to what he paid for them to move them at this price. Lots of people have said they wanted them, but when it came time to write the check...... I don't think either of us thought they would hang around as long as they have and not sell. That's why we just bit the bullet and decided to do the fully upgraded dealio. I gave up any fee he would pay me to help him sell to meet this price. I have a feeling if they don't move before the audiogon ad expires, he's just going to give them to a family member as he'd rather do that than give them away for a lower price. I asked him if he wanted to adopt me :)
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Hey, no hard feelings whatsoever and I'd be totally up for adoption!
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As I'm sure you know.. the more it costs, the longer it takes to sell.
Porsche's sit on a lot for 2 years sometimes.. or more... even the 'cheap' ones. You're basically selling a Lambo with factory refurbishing thrown in.
It takes time (and trust) so be patient and don't expect to sell them anytime soon... I'd let my family member enjoy them until they sold... if that person was into it and liked them enough to take the risk of caring for them.
The VS's I've heard have a neutral sound... VR1, 2, 4 jr and sr. I owned the little VR1's and thought they were an impressive speaker. But it sounds like what I've heard is somewhat irrelevant to the VR-5's. Their house sound is different than the more lively Usher's... Probably more true to the source but not boring either. Shane's comments are more accurate but mirror my opinion from the VS's I've heard.
-C
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Top end extension is much greater with the VSA. Not sure if you'd hear it or not, though ;) sorry, couldn't resist :) hehe
Ouch! Just a cruel thing to say to a rapidly aging audiogeek. I'm thinking I need to find a forum called AudioSenility... I bet I'd have lots of company.
Now where did I put those Powerball tickets.... :rofl:
Hey, I resemble that remark!! At 16k, my ears naturally goes dull and my brain freeze. Ah the thought of being able to play with the high rollers like this guy and Rich. Of course, I can always beg a listen at Rich, with the Usher BE-20, when I got the itch but no scratch.
Henry
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sale pending... for now at least... we went though this a couple times in the past month. Unlike those situations where funds never showed up and potential customer just disappeared and stopped responding to email, this potential customer used the audiogon offer system to indicate taking them at the sale price. We'll see how it goes.
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Way Cool Good deal. Von Schweikertis one of a couple of speaker line that i like the whole line of speakers never heard a pair that i didn't sound at least good for the room Ie at a audio show rather then at a dealer or some ones house
Ed
My price point of confort would be a used set of VR-4 which i would not hesatate if i had the money to run through the system
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sale pending... for now at least... we went though this a couple times in the past month. Unlike those situations where funds never showed up and potential customer just disappeared and stopped responding to email, this potential customer used the audiogon offer system to indicate taking them at the sale price. We'll see how it goes.
Good luck. Seems like this one may be for real.
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SOLD! Payment has been processed and speakers should be starting on their way to Von Schweikert today to get the upgrade done. He should have his newly upgraded speakers in under 3 weeks...
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Must have been a better deal then you thought Nice Sale