AudioNervosa
Systemic Development => Speakers => Topic started by: Double Ugly on July 19, 2007, 06:19:26 AM
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I know it isn't on their website yet (which is terribly outdated), but interested parties can click here (http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=43286.0) for the latest on the new Timepiece Mini.
I was surprised to learn it isn't sealed, but apparently an interested retailer got wind of the project before it was finished and wanted ported speakers. A sealed version may be in the works, but time will tell.
No one outside the SP Tech compound knows how they sound, but I'd wager that will soon change.
(http://www.audionervosa.com/gallery/68_19_07_07_6_23_37.jpg)
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No picture again, AC is blocking requests from AN domain. AA and DIYAudio are not blocked. I respect that decision, although it is unfortunate.
You can see it by manually opening a new browser, then pasting this into the Address field:
http://www.audiocircle.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11604/TP_Mini_Walnut.jpg
I am really looking forward to hearing SP speakers, at Bigfish8's house or RMAF, whichever comes first. ;) I would like to see fulfillment time improve a bit before I would order from SP.
Rich
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No picture again, AC is blocking requests from AN domain.
http://www.audiocircle.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11604/TP_Mini_Walnut.jpg
Interesting. As if we don't have the ability to save the picture to our computer and upload it anyway. :?
Pretty petty IMHO.
Anyway, the picture should be visible now.
Speaking of which, you now have a new picture in your "DAC Off" gallery, Rich. I couldn't figure out how to add a picture w/o putting it in one of the existing galleries under the "Category" pull-down menu . As soon as I do - or as soon as you or someone else tells me how - I'll move it.
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Yay! I can see it... looks nice! :) Thanks for the download/upload, Jim.
I think AC does that to protect its users with a bit of security... and it's not a terribly bad idea in my opinion... It just isn't as convenient for our purposes.... It's all or none when sharing parts of your site from what I've seen.
-C
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I can see it with IE6
Bryan
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Sorry, I got fooled, AA is blocked, just like AN. I had it in cache without realizing it. I did not test DIYAudio, but it is safe to assume it is blocked everywhere outside AC. Sorry for the Snafu in assuming only AN was blocked.
The pic is visible in Jims post because he put it into his own AN gallery.
Rich
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Yay! I can see it... looks nice! :) Thanks for the download/upload, Jim.
You're welcome. :D
I think AC does that to protect its users with a bit of security... and it's not a terribly bad idea in my opinion... It just isn't as convenient for our purposes.... It's all or none when sharing parts of your site from what I've seen.
If that's true, then I understand. I guess the fact that I've only experienced blocking from photo-hosting sites led me to believe otherwise.
But in light of your comments, it appears I have a lot to learn. :?
-Jim
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The pic is visible in Jims post because he put it into his own AN gallery.
Nope. It's visible because I put it in YOUR gallery. :wink:
See my edited comments above.
-Jim
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Hey guys,
I really don't think there is any animosity toward AN from the powers to be at AC. I and many others surf both sites. :beer:
I should have remembered that gallery blockage. I now remember that I tried to link image of my system (in AC gallery) on Steve Hoffman site and couldn't do it. :duh
Now, those are nice looking speakers at a very tempting price. They also seem to be more sensitive than his other speakers....
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When Bob listed the specs, he indicated 87db sensitive. In an answer to a poster's question, he indicated 84db sensitive. Wonder which one it is....
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Rim, I agree, no harm meant from AC. That's why I was eager to apologize for making the error about AN being singled out. I just goofed.
Jim, you are tricky!! I'm glad you found a way.
Hey Carl how about some security on the gallery? :rofl:
I haven't even checked the gallery since the new gallery software was installed a couple months now? I gotta go see....
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When I spoke with Bob last week to obtain a status report on my Timepieces he told about the Minis and he was really excited about them. After seeing it in the pictures I think it is a very attractive, small speaker and I look forward to reading comments about the performance. If I fall in love with the sound of the Timepieces I really could see a pair of the minis serving rear duty in my HT System. Problem is that I doubt the Denon 3806 AVR would do them any justice (even in the rear positions). At any rate I hope Bob has great success with these speakers.
Ken
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Hey Carl how about some security on the gallery? :rofl:
I haven't even checked the gallery since the new gallery software was installed a couple months now? I gotta go see....
:oops: Sorry man... just haven't had the time to get it going... It's all paid for.. just need to work it out.
-Carl
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Hope they sound good, I just ordered a pair tonight.
Lin :D
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Hope they sound good, I just ordered a pair tonight.
Lin :D
Nice Lin....good luck with them. :beer:
I think this is a good speaker for Bob....many have never heard an SP Tech speaker...and at this price point, its a great deal....IMO.
Hope he sells a ton of them. 8)
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When Bob listed the specs, he indicated 87db sensitive. In an answer to a poster's question, he indicated 84db sensitive. Wonder which one it is....
I spoke to Bob tonight and he messed-up, pure and simple. A single Mini is 87dB sensitivity and a stereo pair is 90dB sensitivity. For whatever reason, Bob was thinking 2m back instead of 1m, and 84db is what you'll get with a stereo pair @ 2m.
If you re-read Bob's post, I suspect you'll find it edited to reflect the above.
Hope they sound good, I just ordered a pair tonight.
Lin :D
I doubt you'll be disappointed, Lin, but I suspect a bunch of us are interested in your take.
If they're as good as the Timepieces - only smaller - one could purchase an HT set-up complete with one of Bob's Infra-Wave subwoofers at a steal of a price and never look back! :shock:
The appearance of the Mini actually made me question whether or not I should continue the quest for Revelations, at least from a financial perspective. Then I remembered how good they sounded, even 3 iterations ago, and all was right with the world again. :D
-Jim
PS - Hey Chris,
When are you getting your 2.0s updated?
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PS - Hey Chris,
When are you getting your 2.0s updated?
Well.....Mike/topround mentioned to me that I should get in touch with Bob about some piece (throats) that retro fit the new tweeter to the waveguide ....saying he's running low on them...not many left. So.....I guess the upgrade would be a new tweeter and the new crossover's. I'm not going to change the woofer....I like it, good bass...reminds me of a guitar cabinet I use to have...same type of aluminum cone speakers..... :lol:
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I'm not going to change the woofer....I like it, good bass...reminds me of a guitar cabinet I use to have...same type of aluminum cone speakers..... :lol:
I'm not sure there's anything additional to be had with the black woofers anyway. I want to believe they're a little more articulate, but the truth is the only thing I'm sure about is that they look cooler! :lol:
The black woofers will soon disappear anyway. Bob's stock is almost gone, and I doubt he'll ever have them build another batch. They cost waaaaaaaaay too much to justify the little perceived gain they afford, especially if the only real gain is the aesthetics department.
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When Bob listed the specs, he indicated 87db sensitive. In an answer to a poster's question, he indicated 84db sensitive. Wonder which one it is....
I wondered the same thing, then an edit was made to Bob's response which indicated he meant 84 dB at 2 meters. I would have expected a sensitivity figure of no more than 84 dB when measured the same way as the Timepiece 2.1 is measured which, as I understand it, is the most conservative way possible, resisting the urge to pad the numbers at each of the 2 common junctures:
sensitivity is quoted
1. singly, rather than per pair
2. anechoically, rather than in-room
If the numbers were derived from in-room measurements of a pair, they would be 6dB higher, as I understand it.
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=43286.10
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Please don't mis-understand, y'all...I was just curious. I've read the edited post, thanks DU and miniminim.
I'm really fond of 2-way speakers. Only owned one pair of 3-ways briefly in my 37 years at this...and went back to 2-ways. I'm anxious to read what Lin has to say when he receives his. Lin, what amp will you be using?
WEEZ
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I wondered the same thing, then an edit was made to Bob's response which indicated he meant 84 dB at 2 meters.
Yep. See my post above.
I would have expected a sensitivity figure of no more than 84 dB when measured the same way as the Timepiece 2.1 is measured which, as I understand it, is the most conservative way possible, resisting the urge to pad the numbers at each of the 2 common junctures:
sensitivity is quoted
1. singly, rather than per pair
2. anechoically, rather than in-room
If the numbers were derived from in-room measurements of a pair, they would be 6dB higher, as I understand it.
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=43286.10
If there's a more stringent approach to measurements, I've no doubt Bob is tenacious in his adherence to it. :?
What you say makes sense, though. I know the Timepieces respond very positively to additional power (or more accurately, more current), but some are quite happy driving them with as little as 50 WPC (click here (http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=43286.msg387370#msg387370) for Bob's anecdote about same). That wouldn't have happened with the old Timepiece 2.0s IMHO, which says a lot about the improvements Bob has made to the crossovers in these 85dB monsters.
Please don't mis-understand, y'all...I was just curious. I've read the edited post, thanks DU and miniminim.
You're welcome, WEEZ.
FWIW, I didn't perceive malevolence in your post, just curiosity. I trust I didn't convey otherwise in my response.
Regards,
-Jim
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I will try Monarchy Audio SE160 monoblocks (tube/mosfet) hot rodded with 200w/ch 8 ohms,
an Electron Kinetics Eagle 2 (SS) with 120w/ch 8 ohms,
and possibly a Magnum Audio IA200(100w/ch integrated) or MF160 (80?w/ch basic amp).
The first 2 amps are supposed to double their output into 4 ohms, so hopefully current will not be a problem.
Lin
PS I might also try them with my McAlister Audio SE32 tube amp, but at 15w/ch I don't really expect it to have enough juice.
Might prove to be a good late night (shhhh :-$ ) combo though.
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Look forward to the report :)