AudioNervosa
Systemic Development => Speakers => Topic started by: Emil on March 31, 2010, 03:10:01 PM
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Anyone own or heard a pair? Comments?
Of course all the reviews are positive :D
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It was my favorite speaker at my first RMAF, back in 06, with Response 100W tube monoblocks, (and modwright tube pre, I think.) I was a fresh noob, but the good impression held up over time. I've recently heard them again at Henry's (bmr3hc) and they're still awesome, again with a great tube amp. Great bass, amazing transient response for a TL speaker, even with tubes.
I heard their newest hifi monster speakers with triamped Halcro at RMAF08, interesting, but only cerebral.
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Emil , doesn't Philnyc have a pair in his basement?
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=album;id=1768
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for my personal tastes, they mandate having tubes on them to sound their best... they are a little too lean and forward for my liking. They need a little romantic love in front of them. but you need decently stout tubes to control the t-line bass... otherwise it can get boomy..
the tweeter can be an issue for some folks that like to iisten at different heights. get above or below it and it drops off a cliff as far as output. Not a big deal if you are going to be sitting in front of them to listen all the time. but something to consider if you are using for background music or casual listening while in the same room but out of the tweeter's axis...
having said all that, once setup well, they are a marvel of performance, especially at the used or demo prices you can usually find. they image like bandits and have speed, detail and amazing transients. the cabinet veneer and finish is excellent. some folks aren't crazy about the baffles on the front for the two midwoofers and staring at the spiral ribbon tweeter. I liked it... the better half hated it... chacun son gout.....
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Emil , doesn't Philnyc have a pair in his basement?
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=album;id=1768
Yes he does...and its may fav of all he carries.
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I liked it... the better half hated it...
.... Which means you lose. Beacause as Jeff Foxworthy tells us, "When Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy." :duh
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I liked it... the better half hated it...
.... Which means you lose. Beacause as Jeff Foxworthy tells us, "When Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy." :duh
Which is why I sold them to Henry here locally and don't have them on display anymore :(
It's interesting that she loves the Era Design, likes the PSB, can deal with the Harbeth, and hates the Usher and Acoustic Zen. I caved on the Acoustic Zen and went to the mattresses on the Usher... She wins one, I win one :)
Of all the speakers, I figured she would have had the biggest objection to the Harbeth... She actually likes the rosewood veneer on the P3ESR, which is why my pair of Compact 7s and Monitor 40.1s in Rosewood are on their way to me right now to replace the departed cherry models......
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Which is why I sold them to Henry here locally and don't have them on display anymore :(
The Acoustic Zen I bought from Shane bested the Spendors S8e I had, and was very pleased with them. The Acoustic Zen absolutely required a stable base footing. The original spikes supplied does not come close to giving you the stability these speakers require. I ordered outriggers that are made for the Acoustic Zen that are rock solid and anchored well to my carpeted floor. Much improved bass, mids and high frequency response. The ribbon tweeter is far better, IMHO than the Spendors soft dome tweeter. Much more detail. Bass response very impressive. The mids not quite as glorious as the Spendors, but very good.
I have the RM-9 mkll tube amp with 125 wpc. This amp works wonders with the AZ speakers. I am very happy with my set-up and the AZ.
The AZ speakers do require a long break-in period. They will be somewhat schizophrenic at times until fully broke-in about 300-400 hrs. I suspect those who got rid of them early did not allow time for break-in and did not have the speakers supported well with outriggers.
Henry
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Hello
Bought these speakers two years ago and still love them. I only wish the next speaker up in the line wasnt 10k more. These speakers really respond well to more power or just general changes in amps. I went from a 4B to a 14B with remarkable change in imaging for the better. If there is air to be found and dead quite spots between instruments these speakers will produce it. IOW putting a 10k power amp on them is worth while and not a waste of money.
Somebody please point me to these outriggers i would love to try them..... :thumb:
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http://www.soundocity.com/ :thumb:
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Thanx :thumb:, exactly what i need and will be ordering..... They add an added layer of protection against 3 years old too and big sheep dogs.... :rofl: and not to mention better sounding...
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I have the Adagios which replaced my Spendors S8e. The Spendors midranged better. The Adagios low and highs better IMHO. The Adagios needs to be anchored well to sound their best. The outriggers referred to here are very good. In fact the outriggers should be mandatory on carpeted floors. Sounds great with my 125 wpc tube amp.
Henry
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Hello
On that outrigger kit for the Adagios. Can someone tell me the difference between the 1.5 and 2.0in cone height. Why would i need 2.0" cone height.
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Hello
On that outrigger kit for the Adagios. Can someone tell me the difference between the 1.5 and 2.0in cone height. Why would i need 2.0" cone height.
Tall.....as in really tall carpet would be about the only reason I can think of. 1.5 is plenty regardless.
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Hello
On that outrigger kit for the Adagios. Can someone tell me the difference between the 1.5 and 2.0in cone height. Why would i need 2.0" cone height.
Tall.....as in really tall carpet would be about the only reason I can think of. 1.5 is plenty regardless.
Thats what i was thinking too, thanx
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Hello folks
Anyone ever try using their shipping bags over their Adagios..? The Adagios come with a thin shipping bag drapped over before they are styrofoamed and boxed. If you are sitting on a laminate or hardwood and in an untreated room these bags tighten up the sound stage. I guess it acts like a full grill.
Hehe this is my nervosa and i am stinking with it. :thumb:
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Cool! Is the cover thin cotton?
I used a little color sample of Guilford FR701 cloth to soften the tweeter of my Gemme Katanas once. It was just about right.
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could be nylon , feels more cotton. I think its cotton.
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The Adagio has gone through a few versions. I have heard them all. Shane is correct about the tweeter but from experience, the later version does not seem to be as bad as the crossovers helped a lot.
I also prefer these with tubes and the more power they see, the better they perform in regard to dynamic speed and attack. The Adagio JR's do a better job in my opinion as the bass is tighter. They don't go as deep but I prefer the tightness. If I were to choose between the two, my preference would be the Jr's.
I still have a pair here that still need to be shipped out to a customer but they don't count as they have all new upgraded, external crossovers.
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I wonder what version mine are? I get great bass out of them. My Max bella has really low full bass compared to the Bryston pre. The low gain setting on the Max Bella is where i have it set (i think around 16db). But my 14B really keeps it nice and tight. I don't even use a sub and i have a servo 15. They work really nice with big power. Gets lots of air with great transients and no blur on the leading and trailing edges. Tons of attack with excellent seperation from the drums and rythym that give it good pace.
Topround is correct when he pointed out, "its all about balance" in tweaking".
Those Wywires rca's are really what i was looking for since they smooth all the etch but keep the transients still nice and fast. That is about the only thing i was looking for that really made a big SS amp work here wonderfully.
The only thing i don't like about the Adagios is they don't have a deep bodied sound that you get from enclosures that are long in measured dimension from front to back like my old Kef 104/2's are. The kef's are about a 1.5 feet deep and the Adagios are like only maybe 10 inches.