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Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« on: June 09, 2021, 12:24:55 PM »
  I see so many systems consisting of VG expensive gear improperly set up. Drives me NUTS. Speakers with ports against the wall, speakers too large, distance from walls not equal. Fireplaces, couches, furniture in the way. Glass furniture and other harmful reflective surfaces.
  I say examine room for weakness and strengths. Then purchase the right speaker for that set up. If you have to put a speaker against or close to a wall forget the ported one.
   Once a speaker is chosen then select an amp to match it. Then put the rest of your money on the best source you can afford. Fine tune it with cabling. :duh

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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2021, 12:38:05 PM »
  I see so many systems consisting of VG expensive gear improperly set up. Drives me NUTS. Speakers with ports against the wall, speakers too large, distance from walls not equal. Fireplaces, couches, furniture in the way. Glass furniture and other harmful reflective surfaces.
  I say examine room for weakness and strengths. Then purchase the right speaker for that set up. If you have to put a speaker against or close to a wall forget the ported one.
   Once a speaker is chosen then select an amp to match it. Then put the rest of your money on the best source you can afford. Fine tune it with cabling. :duh

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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2021, 10:19:40 PM »
I too cringe when I see a system set up in such a fashion that it cannot put it's best foot forward.  but unfortunately there are a lot of people who do not have the luxury of a dedicated audio space that they can do with what they please. When you are forced to put your system in a shared space that usually involves compromises in the way that the room is set up because of the other people involved and the other ways that the space is used. No self respecting audiophile would choose to put a couch or a glass table in a spot that would be detrimental to the sound. But if you are in a shared space you often have no choice. Even when you are moving into a new house it is rare that you will be decorating the space from scratch , so you will also have the additional obstacle of setting up the system around furniture that you already own.

And I do know this from first hand experience. After having a dedicate audio room in the basement for 30 years where I put what I wanted where I wanted it and had free reign to place any kind of acoustic  treatment where ever I wanted, I moved into a house where the only plausible place to put my system was in the Living Room, the first place people see when they walk into the house. This lead to a number of changes to my system that I never would have made had I still had my own space. For example there was not a single place in the room where Ii could have put my big ARC VT-200 tube amp without tripping over it and yes, the speakers are located closer to the wall than I would have placed them if the room was bigger. But sometime you just have to do what you have to do.

I could have thrown caution to the wind and just set things up they way I felt was best for audio, but then it would have been hard to say that the system sounded better for it when I couldn't listen to it at all after being thrown out of the house.  :rofl:

So when you see a system that is set up "poorly" is is often not that the owner improperly set up the gear, but rather he did the best he could given the situation he had to deal with.
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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2021, 11:32:23 AM »
The good 'ol WAF strikes again!  :duh

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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2021, 01:03:59 PM »
Remember, it's all about the music........

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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2021, 01:09:36 PM »
The good 'ol WAF strikes again!  :duh

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Yep.  :lol: :thumb:
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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2021, 01:29:28 PM »
Until he got to the glass furniture part, I thought Charles was writing about my room! Mine is as well set up as can be while still taking aesthetics into account. I am the neatnik in the house, and as much as I know/believe that 23 foot speaker wire is compromising the sound, so be it.
Having said that, I have spent many years and dollars fighting a very unbalanced room. Small speakers were no match for bass leakage into other rooms, and large speakers overloaded the closed corner side of the room. Using open baffle speakers and a sealed sub has been a good compromise.
A dedicated room is of course ideal, but I do thoroughly enjoy being able to cook, putter around the house, and read the paper while cranking the stereo out from the living room.
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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2021, 06:17:28 PM »
Until he got to the glass furniture part, I thought Charles was writing about my room! Mine is as well set up as can be while still taking aesthetics into account. I am the neatnik in the house, and as much as I know/believe that 23 foot speaker wire is compromising the sound, so be it.
Having said that, I have spent many years and dollars fighting a very unbalanced room. Small speakers were no match for bass leakage into other rooms, and large speakers overloaded the closed corner side of the room. Using open baffle speakers and a sealed sub has been a good compromise.
A dedicated room is of course ideal, but I do thoroughly enjoy being able to cook, putter around the house, and read the paper while cranking the stereo out from the living room.

Well, you could be describing my living room. Glass coffee table in front of my listening chair, couch on that side close to the left speaker, four 2 x 6 glass panels on the left side of the living room wall allowing a view of the back yard. Not really able or even wanting to fix anything. I enjoy the aesthetics and am not going to put up a draw curtain on the living room glass wall or create fitted, removable panels to put into place and then remove each listening session. I live alone and have the ability to do anything acoustically that I want. But there is a convenience factor, too. This wont be the last place I live in and one of these days Ill be able to have a dedicated listening room 🎶 :thumb:
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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2021, 08:58:35 AM »
  Yes we all know there are trade offs for room, life style and other factors. What I am saying is the choices made need more scrutiny. One does not put a ported speaker against a wall as an example. Buy a speaker designed to go against the wall.
  Match the amp to speaker, obtain best source you can. Keep it simple.

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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2021, 10:37:04 AM »
  Yes we all know there are trade offs for room, life style and other factors. What I am saying is the choices made need more scrutiny. One does not put a ported speaker against a wall as an example. Buy a speaker designed to go against the wall.
  Match the amp to speaker, obtain best source you can. Keep it simple.

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I understand your point, Charles. Im close to trying some acoustic treatments behind the speakers, just wondering if its worth the effort due to the exposed glass that I dont want to treat,
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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2021, 01:54:45 PM »
  Yes we all know there are trade offs for room, life style and other factors. What I am saying is the choices made need more scrutiny. One does not put a ported speaker against a wall as an example. Buy a speaker designed to go against the wall.
  Match the amp to speaker, obtain best source you can. Keep it simple.

charles

I understand your point, Charles. Im close to trying some acoustic treatments behind the speakers, just wondering if its worth the effort due to the exposed glass that I dont want to treat,


  Thanks appreciate that Was not trying to put down anyone as there are reasons. I like blinds for glass Can open , close partially open. Many options to improve sonic behavior.


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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2021, 02:28:59 PM »

You mean like this?  A $40k speaker jammed up against a wall of windows.  See it all the time.  Soooo ridiculous!   :roll:
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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2021, 03:11:41 PM »

You mean like this?  A $40k speaker jammed up against a wall of windows.  See it all the time.  Soooo ridiculous!   :roll:

Its a beautiful view, though   :lol:
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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2021, 03:18:18 PM »

You mean like this?  A $40k speaker jammed up against a wall of windows.  See it all the time.  Soooo ridiculous!   :roll:

Its a beautiful view, though   :lol:

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Re: Trying to Put a Round peg in a Square Hole
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2021, 12:53:39 PM »

You mean like this?  A $40k speaker jammed up against a wall of windows.  See it all the time.  Soooo ridiculous!   :roll:


  YES and on top of Subs besides.

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