AudioNervosa
Electro Stimulation Ward => Signals and Noise => Topic started by: rollo on June 09, 2011, 12:50:40 PM
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Yessum that's it. Basic generic cables that IMO deliver as much info as neutral as possible. Bought them today installed them as was taken back dead cold that they did not offend me in anyway.
Second reaction slight anger over the high priced cable before it. Third reaction, hey this sounds really good. As all cables in my experience the breakinitus Will appear for about 100 hours and all will be told. Only time will tell.
So for $7.99 for 3ft give this a try. :shock:
charles
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Yessum that's it. Basic generic cables that IMO deliver as much info as neutral as possible. Bought them today installed them as was taken back dead cold that they did not offend me in anyway.
Second reaction slight anger over the high priced cable before it. Third reaction, hey this sounds really good. As all cables in my experience the breakinitus Will appear for about 100 hours and all will be told. Only time will tell.
So for $7.99 for 3ft give this a try. :shock:
charles
Rat Shack sells a lot of different cables. Do you still have the packaging with the SKU number on it so we know which ones to look for?
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Something tells me I'm not going to be able to finally sell off all those "gold" RS cables I have stored in a cardboard box in the garage.
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Something tells me I'm not going to be able to finally sell off all those "gold" RS cables I have stored in a cardboard box in the garage.
There is a buyer for everything. No worry. Tom do not have the packageing any longer. They areeasy to identify. A black cable with plastic barrels with three dots on the barrel. They are called "stereo audio cable"
I had Les over last night and told him that I just got new prototype ICs that cost thousands. after a couple hours of vinyl and then CD I gave up the truth. He was :shock: Les uses Tara decade ICs between the Pre and amp in his system as I do. we could not get over the difference.
I am well aware of synergy issues however after hearing two systems now using the Radio Shack ICs it appears they are neutral and have no ill affect. maybe a slight emphasis in the upper mid lower treble but no exxagerated sibilance or bright presentation. This trait subsided as more hours were put in. not many either.
Three feet long is what we have used. Does the 6 foot version sound the same ?? It should but you never know. I am basing my opinion on the 3 ft pair. Just too good to be true but dam it is.
charles
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(http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1-5622868w345.jpg)
Rat Catalog #: 42-487
$7.50
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(http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1-5622868w345.jpg)
Rat Catalog #: 42-487
$7.50
Rich as always the man on the spot. Those are the ones. I'm still :shock: over these cables ability to perform they do so far.
Can someone please buy these and comment.
charles
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Picked up a 3 ft and a 6ft pair from the rat last night. I hope to have time to give them a listen today and will report back.
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Picked up a 3 ft and a 6ft pair from the rat last night. I hope to have time to give them a listen today and will report back.
So far they are just not doing it for me.I listen for a short while to the Jacintha "Here's to Ben Album" and compared to my MIT cable the Rat Shack collapsed the sound stage both from a side to side and a front to back perspective and gave the vocals a very hard and edgy sound. Not granted, A) it was a short listening session with only one album, B)I was using the 6 ft version, not the 3 ft that Rollo tried, and C) this was right out of the package with virtually no warm-up, never mind break-in, so I don't want to say that this is indicative of what the cables are capable of. We are also running different equipment so it also my be synergy rearing its ugly head as well. I will leave them in for a while to break in and report back if anything changes. Time will tell.
And BTW, even if they don't hold up well against a $500 pair of cables I think they do a preety nice job for the price you pay for them. Not a bad thing for a mid-fi type HT setup.
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Thanks for trying it out Tom, and reporting.
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Thanks for trying it out Tom, and reporting.
I'm not giving up yet. Who knows what might happen after 100 or so hours of break in?
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Those symptoms sound like either a cable in major need of burnin, or a cheap cable that ain't never gonna burn in enough. Given RatShack and the price, I'd suspect the latter, but Charles has had quite a different experience and that has me curious!
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The cables are a changing. I was told last night by the person who recommended them to me about 150 hours to sound their best.
I as well experienced a narrower soundstage but not until about 20 hours or so. A tad softer now. Kinda like the Alan Maher affect but not that extreme Could the AM devices play a role in break-in ? [ I have noticed several times now that changing anything seems to go backwards for a few days and then OK ] Initially when first inserted neutral with zero issues. Now, forming. The bass is still focused and tight. No hardness, Hi Fi sound or exaggerated sibilance so far on top. Tom your findings surprised me. I heard them in two top systems with no ill affect. Time is on your side. PRAT is spot on as well. The toes are a tapping. Getting VG separation between instruments with depth. Width not yet. The tonality of the midrange is what lured me in. Midbass more prominent but not over emphasized. Berry berry nice.
Tom did you separate the conductors ?? Forgot to mention that. :duh Makes a difference. :)
I'm burning them in 5 hours on 5 hours off a day. I'll give them one 24/7 burn in between. To my surprise the 5 hours off 5 hours on has been the most affective way to speed up the burn in. I used to leave the sucker on for a week 24/7 using a burn-in disc. No more. The dielectric must be able to form and the 5 hour method makes that happen sooner. Just cannot remember where I read that.
Anyway, having fun trying hope you do too.
charles
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Do you take notes or make drawings when comparing differences in soundstage size?
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I still have my Radio Shack Fusion Cables that made a little murmur on several audio forums a few years ago. Decent build with floating grounds, shielded with mylar foil, directional with ferrite slugs...never really put them to the challenge the way Rollo & Tmazz are though. :)(http://www.audionervosa.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=823)
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...........Given RatShack and the price, I'd suspect the latter, but Charles has had quite a different experience and that has me curious!
I am too, that's why I haven't given up.
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Tom did you separate the conductors ?? Forgot to mention that. :duh Makes a difference. :)
By separatring the conductors I assume that you are talking about spearating the left & right calble and not any of the indidvidual condutors within the cable sheaths. Am I correct? I haven't separated anything, but am willing to try. It will have to wait a while though since I an away on business for a few days.
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Do you take notes or make drawings when comparing differences in soundstage size?
I have a few recording that I have used as evaluation purposes for years and as such I use physical landmarks in the room to keep track of soundstage placementson these particular tracks.
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Do you take notes or make drawings when comparing differences in soundstage size?
Face I am so familiar with the system the answer is no. It is always very obvious.
charles
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Tom did you separate the conductors ?? Forgot to mention that. :duh Makes a difference. :)
By separatring the conductors I assume that you are talking about spearating the left & right calble and not any of the indidvidual condutors within the cable sheaths. Am I correct? I haven't separated anything, but am willing to try. It will have to wait a while though since I an away on business for a few days.
Si senor , separate the left and right channels.
charles
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Now to get the full affect adding the Radio Shack speaker Cable as desribed in the other thread completes the story. Use a single run of two wires for each channel. Twist the conductors of each channel and solder with silver solder. So you will have a right and left cable with two conductors each.
You all know dammmed well that my reference cables will reappear for a final comparison when al lis broken in.
Remember inexpensie dosn't mean bad. It could mean less of. A well executed design need not be expensive. We have heard or own gear that dosn't break the bank that floated our boat, right ?
charles
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I still have my Radio Shack Fusion Cables that made a little murmur on several audio forums a few years ago. Decent build with floating grounds, shielded with mylar foil, directional with ferrite slugs...never really put them to the challenge the way Rollo & Tmazz are though. :)(http://www.audionervosa.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=823)
Sooooooo what ya waiting for ?? This model is a coaxial design. Let us know what ya think, there Ollie.
charles
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Tom did you separate the conductors ?? Forgot to mention that. :duh Makes a difference. :)
By separatring the conductors I assume that you are talking about spearating the left & right calble and not any of the indidvidual condutors within the cable sheaths. Am I correct? I haven't separated anything, but am willing to try. It will have to wait a while though since I an away on business for a few days.
Si senor , separate the left and right channels.
charles
OK, I'll have to give that a whirl.
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OK about 30 hours so far and they are in the ugly stage of break-in-itus. A bit Hi fi sounding but the clarity is addictive. I'll report back after 75 hours.
charles
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rollo,I can't remember what you are using for cabling in your system. Could you give a list of what cable
brands you are using so that I know what you are comparing the Radio Shack cables to?
Scotty
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Was using Tara Decade between Pre and Amp. Haromnix Golden Ratio between CDP and Pre. Speaker cables are Mapleshade Active.
Next up are the Radio Shack speaker cable. Just tried the ICs first to hear what they do. It was recommended to me to use both IC and speaker cable together for the full effect. Shoot cheap enough to try and have a little fun learning.
Listened again last night and they are still a changing. They go from smooth to hard it really is a trip to get a handle on. The bass is amazing, if all else fails they are going in between Pre and sub. Subs like coaxial.
charles
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Tom did you separate the conductors ?? Forgot to mention that. :duh Makes a difference. :)
By separating the conductors I assume that you are talking about separating the left & right cable and not any of the individual conductors within the cable sheaths. Am I correct? I haven't separated anything, but am willing to try. It will have to wait a while though since I an away on business for a few days.
Si senor , separate the left and right channels.
charles
OK, I'll have to give that a whirl.
Wow, splitting the cable into separate left and right runs made a big difference (for those not familiar with this cable it comes with the left and right bound together in a similar fashion to lamp cord. Simply pulling the RCA plugs away from each other at one end splits the seam and separates it into separate left and right cables.)
I had I would say about 30 - 40 hours on it when I did the split and while it did sound better afterwards it was still not in the same league as the MIT cable I had in there before. At this point I'll just give it a bit more break-in time and see what develops.
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Which MIT cable?
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Which MIT cable?
They are just labeled MIT Extended Musiclink Interface. I got them on Clarence from AudioAdvisor when MIT terminated their US marketing agreement with Transparent and started to operate directly with the US market. These were leftover stock that transparent had on hand when the agreement expired. I can tell you they were a significant step up from the original MI-330 interconnects that they replaced.
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I think something is broken in your system, Charles. Seriously, ratshack cables besting everything? Is this one of those things where you see what people will do... you know, to test how
crazy dedicated they really are? I'm not saying it's a hoax... but I have heard a lot of cables do a lot of things... and 'sound good' wasn't on my list of results from cheap plastic cables.
Make sure you try some of the free ones that came with your old cd player for comparison... ;)
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No hoax no test, nuttin broken. They are just a neutral cable. I tried them only because an old seasoned buddy of mine was using them with Lamm Sing Preamp and Lamm Hybrid amps driving Analysis Ribbon speakers. I heard no ill affect so I tried them. The IC alone didn't do it for me in the end. The speaker cable as well must be used. A run of two conductors for each channel. The ICs for a sub IMO will be hard to beat. They are staying put for our sub.
They need 150 hours plus to come together. They do have a clarity and liveliness that is hard to believe. Wether they will stay the course is still up in the air as I find a love hate relationship so far. time will only tell.
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Cool... mostly razzin' you, Charles.. ;) Thanks for keeping your eyes (and mind) open to possibilities.
-C
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Carlman, always up for some razzing. Now after 150 hours I can wholeheartily recco these cables. just neutral with a slight warm feeling. Not hard, bright, lean or lacking in any area I have noticed.
The bitch as always is the break-in. last week I wanted to cut them up into as many little pieces as I could. Glad I refrained.
IMO most do not wait the wait. Decisions from impatience rule the Nervosa. Then doubt sets in . Call the buddies get an opinion, blah blah blah. At first listen I was bolled over, then break-in itus set in.
I am drawing a line in the sand . from now on nuttin, I repeat nuttin will be auditioned withour serious break - in first. No way Jose. I have finally learned my lesson. :roll: Burn burn burn before listening to one note.
charles