AudioNervosa
Systemic Development => Digital Audio Devices => Topic started by: jimbones on December 21, 2018, 05:05:48 PM
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Digital audio is a complete nightmare. On one hand it has the potential to sound awesome. On the other it is nerve wracking. I had problems with JPlay and digital audio in the past and when I saw that JPlay came out with a new piece of software promising to cure all previous ills I was all in for a reasonable upgrade charge since I was a previous customer.
Well, promises promises. I have not gotten it to work correctly since installation since....wait......THANKSGIVING!!! Yes that's right.I have been wrestling with this in one way or another. Just can't get it to be stable. Either it doesn't like the hard drive, not compatible with UPnP apps, cover art not being imported, music stops playing,uninstall, reinstall restart ,if im lucky to get it to play at all.
I will say this, when it plays it is glorious but not worth the trouble. Somebody out there needs to develop standards which is truly a reliable standard and developers should not be able to make claims unless it meets certain criteria. reliability is key. The software industry is the only industry I know that gets away with such poor product quality. Rant over :thumb:
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I'm curious what is wrong with the Lumin app?
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Digital audio is a complete nightmare. On one hand it has the potential to sound awesome. On the other it is nerve wracking. I had problems with JPlay and digital audio in the past and when I saw that JPlay came out with a new piece of software promising to cure all previous ills I was all in for a reasonable upgrade charge since I was a previous customer.
Well, promises promises. I have not gotten it to work correctly since installation since....wait......THANKSGIVING!!! Yes that's right.I have been wrestling with this in one way or another. Just can't get it to be stable. Either it doesn't like the hard drive, not compatible with UPnP apps, cover art not being imported, music stops playing,uninstall, reinstall restart ,if im lucky to get it to play at all.
I will say this, when it plays it is glorious but not worth the trouble. Somebody out there needs to develop standards which is truly a reliable standard and developers should not be able to make claims unless it meets certain criteria. reliability is key. The software industry is the only industry I know that gets away with such poor product quality. Rant over :thumb:
Jim,
That reminds me of the grief that the Squeezebox used to give me. The Auralic Mini and Roon are stable and happily co-exist. Rant acknowledged
Nick
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I'm curious what is wrong with the Lumin app?
JPLay and Lumin are not compatible. Let me clarify.
I have a NAS connected to the Lumin and use Minim server. That plays fine. The Lumin also allows me to play Quobuz.
I also have a laptop with JPLay and an external HDD of music. I find that when I could get it to work, operative word here is when, it is excellent. I believe it is better to play files locally than over a network. So Jplay only works with a handful of UPnP apps.
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I have a glorious digital rig..... that hasn't been used in I can't say how long.
I spin vinyl. It always works.
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Unless your too lazy to get up every 25 to 42 minutes.
And lets not forget the time cleaning and prepping before the diamond hits the wax.
Each have their own headaches to contend with. Choose your poison.
Don
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I remember when I first got into the Squeezebox (long before Logitech bought Slimdevices). I had a real love/hate relationship with it, but truth be told, I loved it for what it was - a technology well before its time. It got me ripping all my CDs, managing flac files, worrying about metadata, and buying into the Squeezebox environment. I think at my peek, I had two SB3s, a Duet and two Touch. Came within a hair of buying a Transporter. It was a sad day when Logitech bought them, and far sadder when Logitech bailed a few years later. But LMS lived on and supported quite well in the public domain. It's only recently that the SB Touch started being sold on eBay for less than it's original list price.
When Roon announced that it supported playback through Squeezeboxen, I jumped in and never looked back. That was 3 years ago! Roon continues to make significant strides. I understand why many folks balk at buying in, but for me, the lifetime license was likely the best audio investment I've made. Never any headaches. It just works - whether streaming to my Squeezeboxes (which I still use), my iPhone & iPad, my Devialet Expert Pro, or through my headphone amp. I've got RoonServer running on my PC with all my music in flac files sitting on a 2TB drive routinely backed up into the cloud.
So, no nightmare here. Roon has made it extremely easy to just sit back and enjoy the music.
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Me and my server doing just fine. I do not stream anything. Rip Cd to server done use iPeng to store and playback. Then there is vinyl when its vinyl time. KISS.
charles
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I have a different approach to digital audio than most of the people I know. Comes from being an old dude with a limited problem set. Basically I don’t care about hi-Rez files since I have several terabytes of Redbook and I simply prefer 44.1/16 done right with a great NOS DAC. I’ve been working on one for a couple of years.
Shameless advertisement: if I had known about the Border Patrol DAC when I started I would have one now.
The older dB Labs Tranquility is a reasonable option when upgraded to current spec, too.
I don’t stream music for critical listening. I have more good and favorite music than I will ever listen to and I keep adding to it. For casual listening I just use Pandora Premium. I don’t want or need all of the bells and whistles of Spotify or the hi-rez features of other options. A simple man with simple needs makes my music experience... simple.
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I remember when I first got into the Squeezebox (long before Logitech bought Slimdevices). I had a real love/hate relationship with it, but truth be told, I loved it for what it was - a technology well before its time. It got me ripping all my CDs, managing flac files, worrying about metadata, and buying into the Squeezebox environment. I think at my peek, I had two SB3s, a Duet and two Touch. Came within a hair of buying a Transporter. It was a sad day when Logitech bought them, and far sadder when Logitech bailed a few years later. But LMS lived on and supported quite well in the public domain. It's only recently that the SB Touch started being sold on eBay for less than it's original list price.
When Roon announced that it supported playback through Squeezeboxen, I jumped in and never looked back. That was 3 years ago! Roon continues to make significant strides. I understand why many folks balk at buying in, but for me, the lifetime license was likely the best audio investment I've made. Never any headaches. It just works - whether streaming to my Squeezeboxes (which I still use), my iPhone & iPad, my Devialet Expert Pro, or through my headphone amp. I've got RoonServer running on my PC with all my music in flac files sitting on a 2TB drive routinely backed up into the cloud.
So, no nightmare here. Roon has made it extremely easy to just sit back and enjoy the music.
+1 re Roon. It works flawlessly and I did buy the lifetime license.
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The best UPnP controllers / remote for Android is BubbleUPnP and if you are using iOS I would recommend mConnect. Also, make sure that your home router allows UPnP/DLNA traffic otherwise the devices are not going to be able to see each other.
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Unless your too lazy to get up every 25 to 42 minutes.
And lets not forget the time cleaning and prepping before the diamond hits the wax.
Each have their own headaches to contend with. Choose your poison.
Don
Don,
I had major surgery and I am on crutches for 8 -10 weeks. If you handle vinyl safely, reliable I would. :lol: I have a very nice vinyl rig and it sounds awesome, maybe I can convince one of my audiophile friends to come over and flip vinyl for me
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OK so this goes under "You cant make this shit up" category:
Deepak and I we finally able to get JPLay to work (network issue) Now got a new issue:
Im happily playing some tunes using mConnect. I go away for some lunch. come back a half hour later and load a tune up hit play and get an error message saying "File format not supported". Hmmmm ok so maybe it doesn't like 24/96 {Gee I thought I was playing 24/96 before with no problem??} So I load another song, NG. I try to play a MP3 it doesn't like that either. So now I load the same exact songs I played a half hour earlier NG. Ok so the file format was OK 30 minutes ago but now its not good??!! WTF!!!
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OK so I figured I would try to use this craziness to my advantage: So I decided to wait another half hour and see if anything changes. Well It's working again. Apparently the format is OK again, who the eff knows lol.
Now I just have to figure out why the Glider app does not see the server...... :-k
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Hey Jim:
I was speaking of myself.
Do hope you heal quickly and after giving away over 700 lp
cringe when I think about it. Got suckered into the silver discs
and can't (don't want to) figure the streaming route just yet.
Later
Don
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That sounds like licensing issue where it runs for some time and stops working until you restart. Are you still running the debug version of Jfemto?
As for Glider no clue on how it is supposed to behave. The first one I tried for iOS based on recommendations of the HQPlayer author was mConnect and it worked right of the bat for me in my setup.
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Im onto something. What I am finding is that there is quite a bit of delay between requests from the iPad and response from the Femto server. If I give it a lot of time to respond im ok, if I jump the gun then I get the error messages. I have an iPad Air which isnt the newest bit should be good enough so i don't know where the delay is.
Also the app does disconnect from time to time. Then I have to reconnect to the server then the library which doesn't take a whole lot of time but is still a PITA. BTW, this is all with mConnect. Still have not gotten Glider to work but I think that is a Glider issue.
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Don, Thats another Jim, I think :D
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Post Mortem:
There were several factors that affected Jplay from working properly. Thanks to Shadowlight we got it working.
1) Laptop kept switching between 2 routers in the home depending on signal strength. This is a problem as everything must be on the same subnet for it to work.We forced the laptop to only connect to the correct router
2) We tried several Music Apps. They either didn't work at all, partially worked but screwed up metadata and cover art, or worked slowly. I have mConnect working and my paid for version of Glider does not work grrrr.
3)Network Latency: What I initially thought was a functionality problem ended up being a slow wireless network. I ran an ethernet cable to the laptop and was able to get a faster and more reliable set up. However, it is still a bit sluggish since the controller is wireless.
The sound quality is very good, clear and ultra detailed. But with that detail come a bit of an edge.
PC audio is not for the feint of heart.
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Post Mortem:
There were several factors that affected Jplay from working properly. Thanks to Shadowlight we got it working.
1) Laptop kept switching between 2 routers in the home depending on signal strength. This is a problem as everything must be on the same subnet for it to work.We forced the laptop to only connect to the correct router
2) We tried several Music Apps. They either didn't work at all, partially worked but screwed up metadata and cover art, or worked slowly. I have mConnect working and my paid for version of Glider does not work grrrr.
3)Network Latency: What I initially thought was a functionality problem ended up being a slow wireless network. I ran an ethernet cable to the laptop and was able to get a faster and more reliable set up. However, it is still a bit sluggish since the controller is wireless.
The sound quality is very good, clear and ultra detailed. But with that detail come a bit of an edge.
PC audio is not for the feint of heart.
Well, that’s a Christmas present of sorts. Shadowlight is very pc/software savvy and very helpful as well
Nick
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Absolutely. Glad that we have people in this hobby that help each other out. I can use mConnect for now buy I am asking the developer of Glider for assistance as to why his app doesn't work I noticed other people have issues with it as well when using it with JPlay