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Systemic Development => Psycho-Acoustics => Topic started by: StereoNut on October 17, 2013, 04:40:50 PM

Title: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: StereoNut on October 17, 2013, 04:40:50 PM
This just in from Stereophile's online computer audio magazine, AudioStream.

Did any of you that attended RMAF get the opportunity to see (hear) these demonstrated?

http://www.audiostream.com/content/synergistic-research-hft-feq

SN
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: Triode Pete on October 18, 2013, 05:16:02 AM
I went to the room briefly but I didn't hear the demo. One of the RMAF attendees told me he heard it and was "blown away" by it! He ended up purchasing the kit at the show.

If you're looking for some "Ground Plane Technology" for your hi-fi system, you can find it here... http://www.triodewirelabs.com/american-speaker-cable.html (http://www.triodewirelabs.com/american-speaker-cable.html)

Cheers,
Pete
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: StereoNut on October 18, 2013, 06:07:35 AM
I went to the room briefly but I didn't hear the demo. One of the RMAF attendees told me he heard it and was "blown away" by it! He ended up purchasing the kit at the show.

If you're looking for some "Ground Plane Technology" for your hi-fi system, you can find it here... http://www.triodewirelabs.com/american-speaker-cable.html (http://www.triodewirelabs.com/american-speaker-cable.html)

Cheers,
Pete

Aha!  You let the cat out of the bag, Pete!  Your website "says" your speaker cables are available with BANANAS!!!  Now you can no longer sing this song to me!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'll take a pair of 15 footers, thank you!

SN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT6JkceQ9FU

Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on October 18, 2013, 07:33:34 AM
  Ground plane technology has been around for quite some time. however never exposed as a benefit. why ? well because it works and some manufacturers took advantage of it.
     Not an easy add on needs to be engineered as to gauge and application.
     When properly applied "ground planes" can be quite affective. Next up is magnetic RCA's and wire management. Gotta love neodymium magnets. Learning how they are implemented in cable design IMO will be the next big thing in cable design.
     


charles
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: DaveC on October 18, 2013, 08:50:24 AM
Those kind of tweaks come and go.

Years ago at RMAF there were a lot of rooms with tuning kitchenware... various bowls and plates and stones and whatever you place around the room that are supposed to resonate and change the "energy". Funny, I didn't see ANY rooms with that kind of stuff in it this year...  :)

I've played around with "ground plane technology" aka loops of wire and they have an effect that is difficult to predict and requires some trial and error... they do little to nothing with my current cables, seems like litz-type cables aren't as affected by it.


Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: Triode Pete on October 18, 2013, 10:17:35 AM
I went to the room briefly but I didn't hear the demo. One of the RMAF attendees told me he heard it and was "blown away" by it! He ended up purchasing the kit at the show.

If you're looking for some "Ground Plane Technology" for your hi-fi system, you can find it here... http://www.triodewirelabs.com/american-speaker-cable.html (http://www.triodewirelabs.com/american-speaker-cable.html)

Cheers,
Pete

Aha!  You let the cat out of the bag, Pete!  Your website "says" your speaker cables are available with BANANAS!!!  Now you can no longer sing this song to me!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'll take a pair of 15 footers, thank you!

SN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT6JkceQ9FU



Sure, stereonut - a killer set of "banana'd" speaker cables coming your way with highly engineered incorporated ground plane technology... Some of us have figured it out!

Cheers,
Pete the PE
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on October 19, 2013, 08:33:21 AM
   I heard the SR demo of bowls and things last year at RMAf. very impressive demo. The sound just opened up with a more transparent presentation. The price however was the kill joy.
   The Tranquility base is the real deal. I want one or two or three oh my ! Ya gotta hear what it does to believe it. I was very skeptical at first. The demo changed my mind. They are quite affective but again the price ruins the party for me.
    Back to ground planes. Gallo has been doing that forever. He  grounds the driver baskets to the neg. terminal binding post to ground the drivers and ?? not telling. What Ga. ?? I will not divulge that sorry. A properly engineered ground plane system is the key. Producing a more open and transparent sound. I'm a believer.
  May the ground plane be with you.

charles
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on March 20, 2014, 07:13:28 AM
OK back on topic. Installed two sets of HFTs as per instructions. Never in all my years fooling with getting a live sound these devices delivered in spades.
   A larger more open sound stage. A continous sound with more in focus. The topend never sounded so natural and unfettered.
   The size of the sound stage now almost equals the Pipedreams and I,m using two way stand mounts.
    These devices may be expensive for some but man if ya can swing two sets check them out. That is if you can get them. They were seriously back ordered. Just more there there. NOT a dealer.



charles
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on April 10, 2014, 07:53:51 AM
  Ok the final test. Removed them. Everything just collapsed and veiled in direct comparison.
  BTW great for any glass in the room. IMO for $600 list [ level one and two ] you will be hard pressed to treat your room in a more affective way.
   Whatever your opinion on the product put it aside and just audition them.



charles
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: mdconnelly on April 10, 2014, 02:11:07 PM
Charles... interesting about the glass.  Are you saying that the HFTs help in rooms with glass in the listening room or that you actually but the HFTs on the glass?

I've got a number of windows that are about 10' behind the listening position.  Eventually I'll get some heavy shades in but am curious to know if the HFTs may help as well.
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: BobM on April 11, 2014, 06:16:57 AM
This is definitely one of those things that is going to have to be proven to me before I can form any opinion about them. $600 is not a trivial amount for 5 x 1/2" round aluminum disks that supposedly create miracles.
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: mdconnelly on April 11, 2014, 07:02:05 AM
I can certainly echo BobM's skepticism on this one.  For me, it plays directly at my system's weakness.  My room needs treatment but my ever so sweet wife ain't gonna let it happen. 

So Synergistic Research comes along with a magic bullet (literally) at a price that, while not trivial, is certainly reasonable compared to other room treatments.  (well, yeah, $300 per pack of 5 little aluminum thingies seems a bit excessive).   Most everything I read says it works and people that I respect say the same.  But, I'm an engineer - WTF?  How can those things make a significant audible improvement? 

For quite a while TheCableCompany was offering a completely free 30 day trial - free shipping both ways if returned.  Not sure if they still are.  But bottom line - the only way I'll be a believer or remain a skeptic is to try it.  Perhaps I will one of these days.

Anyone else try these?
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on April 14, 2014, 07:39:38 AM
This is definitely one of those things that is going to have to be proven to me before I can form any opinion about them. $600 is not a trivial amount for 5 x 1/2" round aluminum disks that supposedly create miracles.

  Bob they do not create miracles they open up the sound. I agree that $299 per set seems excessive until heard.
   Cable company sold out their stock with no returns to date after the demo at Rocky Mountain. Heard now in two systems and no turning back. Going for level three now.
    According to the website very affective with glass.


charles
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: BobM on April 14, 2014, 08:19:42 AM
This is definitely one of those things that is going to have to be proven to me before I can form any opinion about them. $600 is not a trivial amount for 5 x 1/2" round aluminum disks that supposedly create miracles.

  Bob they do not create miracles they open up the sound. I agree that $299 per set seems excessive until heard.
   Cable company sold out their stock with no returns to date after the demo at Rocky Mountain. Heard now in two systems and no turning back. Going for level three now.
    According to the website very affective with glass.


charles

You will just have to bring them over one day Charles.   :thumb:
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: jimbones on April 14, 2014, 09:56:36 AM
Jeez, I gots to buy me some machining equipment  :rofl:
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on April 18, 2014, 07:15:11 AM
Jeez, I gots to buy me some machining equipment  :rofl:
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  Yes a CNC machine and about 30 years to get your investment back. Good luck.


charles
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: Mike B. on May 10, 2014, 12:26:43 PM
I have used the DH discs for about 6 years. They are also very good with glass and improving focus. Their ceramic cones are also a good product IMO.
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on January 12, 2015, 07:26:50 AM
  Check out the latest Sterophile issue and read Fremers comments. Ordering the ones for my cart.


charles
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: Carlman on January 12, 2015, 09:46:40 AM
If I used these, would I take the penny off my headshell?  I don't want to introduce any disonant harmonics. ;)
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: tmazz on January 12, 2015, 08:28:47 PM
If I used these, would I take the penny off my headshell?  I don't want to introduce any disonant harmonics. ;)

You use a penny??? You must have a much better rig that me. I have to use a nickel. which is of course a big step up from the TT I had in high school that wouldn't track without a quarter.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: BobM on January 14, 2015, 05:03:25 AM
I've tried something similar, and found it to absolutely make a difference/improvement  in the sound of my vinyl. But it wasn;t just a bit of brass.

I DIY'ed a version of the Walker Black Diamond tweak, and stuck a bit of clear quartz to the front of my cartridge with a small dab of crazy glue. Yes, I did a before - after - before - after test, at first when I tried it and then again about 2 months later. There was an absolute difference heard, and an improvement to my ears.

No, it is not simple because you have to realign things like your counterbalance and double check your azimuth and anti-skate.
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: richidoo on January 14, 2015, 07:44:59 AM
Crystal energy rocks!    ;)

I am not surprised that it has an observable effect on such a delicate electrical signal as LOMC.

I worked at a metaphysical gemstone store (http://heavenandearthjewelry.com/) in the late 80s. Besides meeting a large number of young, beautiful, idealistic and gullible women, I also saw and heard and experienced for myself of a lot of weird and wonderful things related to the presence of crystals and raw minerals.

I still have my collection of minerals I attracted during that time, and I carry various pieces of stones in my pocket for different special events. I drink fresh vegetable juice that is treated with tourmaline to keep it fresh. I dowse with a small clear quartz crystal pendulum. I have found various and sundry benefits from non-traditional uses of mineral gems.

Based on my experience with particular minerals' effects, I would recommend placing a very small piece of raw tourmaline wand with its striations parallel to a small signal wire, especially low voltage.
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on January 14, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
  Guys the phono thingies are $100 retail for two. As far as the HFTs are concerned three sets does the trick. Yes that would be $900 retail. We do not pay retail. So for me at under $600 i got room treatment and phono treatment.
    They are by design hemholtz resonators. The only issue with Teds' stuff is price. The affect after installation will easily cure that fear or dismay.
    BTW I DO NOT sell them. Group buy ??? I could set that up if enough are interested.


charles
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: Werd on January 14, 2015, 10:20:57 AM
Jeez, I gots to buy me some machining equipment  :rofl:

Dropped by a friends work place. They make custom tools and machinery for the mining industry. Alot of their machining (that was't computer operated) came off a U.S. WW2 battleship. Can't remember which one but the ships name is on all the heavy machinery. Apparently they fix on the go during WW2  :lol:
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: mdconnelly on January 16, 2015, 05:41:07 AM
I've been quite curious about these but not likely to pop at full price.

If a group buy is possible, I'd be interested.
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: jimbones on January 16, 2015, 08:37:15 AM
The Hawthorne Effect =;
Title: Re: Synergistic Research HFT & FEQ
Post by: rollo on February 03, 2015, 07:22:09 AM
OK have ordered the TT ones. Let ya know how they work out.


charles