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Electro Stimulation Ward => Power Conditioning => Topic started by: rollo on March 27, 2018, 11:26:54 AM

Title: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: rollo on March 27, 2018, 11:26:54 AM
   Well, well, well another surprise from our power Guru Dave. If you use Ubers, Digibuss, Minbuss, etc this is for you. Plug into a branch circuit and be very happy. Actually improves on any electrical system.
  Subtle at first however after some listening to familiar music it has the ability to provide more information. Meaning noise you had is now GONE.
  Image of instrument or vocal is now better focused. Solid image. Sound stage has a bit more depth with 3D artifacts. The biggest surprise is that our TV has more color and more focused picture.
  Not crazy but our Refrigerator is quieter. My Wife said so not me.  :thumb:  Demo time.


charles
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: HAL on March 27, 2018, 12:05:53 PM
Ok, so have a DigiBUSS and UberBUSS for the front end and BlunderBUSS and MiniBUSS for the amps in the system now with TWL's power cables. 

What would the BetaBUSS do in that case? 
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on March 27, 2018, 01:10:25 PM
Ok, so have a DigiBUSS and UberBUSS for the front end and BlunderBUSS and MiniBUSS for the amps in the system now with TWL's power cables. 

What would the BetaBUSS do in that case?
Rich, you use it on the opposite branch circuit (phase, other side of the panel... whatever) to address the noise on that branch.  It is about further noise reduction on the Neutral as well as RFI on that branch.  The effects are not that subtle since the thigh bone is connected to the hip bone that stabilizes both legs.  Audio humor there.   8)

Again, more useable power under the curve on the opposite branch can't hurt, either.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: HAL on March 27, 2018, 02:18:09 PM
Got it.

Will see if I can access the opposite phase of the one the listening room is on. 
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: mdconnelly on March 27, 2018, 02:39:48 PM
Inquiring minds want to know... more!   Pics, prices, availability,... I've yet to see a Dave product I didn't like  :drool:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on March 27, 2018, 05:41:24 PM
Inquiring minds want to know... more!   Pics, prices, availability,... I've yet to see a Dave product I didn't like  :drool:

+1
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on March 27, 2018, 07:16:36 PM
Got it.

Will see if I can access the opposite phase of the one the listening room is on.
Just find a room that is on the other side of the panel, plug one in, shut the door and go away.  You have half of the circuits on each side.  Shouldn't be too hard.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on March 27, 2018, 07:17:38 PM
Inquiring minds want to know... more!   Pics, prices, availability,... I've yet to see a Dave product I didn't like  :drool:
I'll have pictures and details in a day or 6.  Busy right now.

Hang in, Mike...
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: tmazz on March 28, 2018, 04:42:41 AM
Got it.

Will see if I can access the opposite phase of the one the listening room is on.
Just find a room that is on the other side of the panel, plug one in, shut the door and go away.  You have half of the circuits on each side.  Shouldn't be too hard.

You cannot assume that because a breaker is on the opposite side of the panel physically that it is on the opposite phase electrically. The two phases are not wired one to the right side of the box and one to the left. On each side of the box every other breaker down the column is the opposite phase so that you can snap in a ganged dual breaker to wire up a 240 circuit across both phases for things like an electric stove or a large central air conditioning unit.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: HAL on March 28, 2018, 08:01:12 AM
Got it.

Will see if I can access the opposite phase of the one the listening room is on.
Just find a room that is on the other side of the panel, plug one in, shut the door and go away.  You have half of the circuits on each side.  Shouldn't be too hard.

You cannot assume that because a breaker is on the opposite side of the panel physically that it is on the opposite phase electrically. The two phases are not wired one to the right side of the box and one to the left. On each side of the box every other breaker down the column is the opposite phase so that you can snap in a ganged dual breaker to wire up a 240 circuit across both phases for things like an electric stove or a large central air conditioning unit.
Got it.  Will check the panel positions and connect accordingly.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on March 28, 2018, 10:35:27 AM
Got it.

Will see if I can access the opposite phase of the one the listening room is on.
Just find a room that is on the other side of the panel, plug one in, shut the door and go away.  You have half of the circuits on each side.  Shouldn't be too hard.

You cannot assume that because a breaker is on the opposite side of the panel physically that it is on the opposite phase electrically. The two phases are not wired one to the right side of the box and one to the left. On each side of the box every other breaker down the column is the opposite phase so that you can snap in a ganged dual breaker to wire up a 240 circuit across both phases for things like an electric stove or a large central air conditioning unit.
What you said. Again - oversimplification on my part and my bad. :shock:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: rollo on April 02, 2018, 08:23:57 AM
OK the BetaBuss has been in for some time now. When one unplugs the Beta that is when you realize the affect. I still cannot believe the Refrig is quieter and our TV picture is better.
BTW Daves polished graphene treated duplex receptacle is another winner. More focus and meat on the bone.


charles
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on April 02, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
I guess I missed something along the way, but how do you know where to plug it in?
PS I am not an electrician
Nick
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: mdconnelly on April 02, 2018, 07:15:00 PM
OK, Dave said we'd hear more in a day or 6 and that was at least 5 days ago, so hopefully soon.

Charles, thanks for the report.   Can't wait to hear more.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 02, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
OK, Dave said we'd hear more in a day or 6 and that was at least 5 days ago, so hopefully soon.

Charles, thanks for the report.   Can't wait to hear more.
Been busy securing all of the suppliers needed and finalizing the design.  Sometimes the wheels run slow getting back to a small guy like me.  Sigh...

Here are the specs:

Same old ugly black box to hide somewhere.

Same size as a MinBUSS or DigiBUSS - 7.125" x 5.375" x 3.875

12ga 18" pigtail terminated with a Furutech FI-11Cu Edison plug

Introductory price is $349.00 + $15.00 shipping in the continental USA

Of course there are options for NEMA Edison plugs from the Furutech range, but since this is designed for the branch circuit opposite from the system branch I'm not sure how advantageous putting a $406.00 FI FI-52M NCF plug will be.  If that floats your goat I'll be happy to do so... just be advised.

The results are subtle in some systems, not so subtle in others.  As always the 30 day 100% Money Back Guarantee is applicable.

I like it.  There is just another bit of haze and glare gone after break-in.  BI takes about 7-10 days.  The effects are really noticeable after having it in circuit for about a week and then taking it out.  When we are talking about ancillary noise reduction it kinds of creeps up on you.

Oh, yeah.  Like Charles, our fridge is quieter and the TV is just sharper with blacker blacks.  That is where  noise manifests itself the most in video.

Taking orders now.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 06, 2018, 03:24:11 PM
All I have here are crickets...   This is a fairly substatntial upgrade, especially for Uber users that understand what a massive reduction in power related noise can do for the SQ of even the most modest systems. 

Remember, there is a 100% Money Back Guarantee that includes shipping.  What do you have to lose?

Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: mresseguie on April 06, 2018, 06:53:57 PM
Howdy, Dave.

Sounds intriguing. Melody and I have placed our Corvallis home on the market in order to move to the Vancouver, WA area to be near my mother. If we ever find an acceptable home there, I wouldn't mind trying one. [Find an acceptable home = Melody says it meets her requirements   :duh]

Michael
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on April 06, 2018, 10:14:46 PM
Well, I was asking for a clarification, but since no response, I’ll take a shot at it. If I’m looking at the right and left side of the panel, I search for the breaker where my audio is located. Then on the opposite side and on an alternate, staggered breaker, I simply plug it in to that branch. Apparently proximity is not a consideration.
Yea or nay??
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: TomS on April 07, 2018, 05:55:06 AM
All I have here are crickets...   This is a fairly substatntial upgrade, especially for Uber users that understand what a massive reduction in power related noise can do for the SQ of even the most modest systems. 

Remember, there is a 100% Money Back Guarantee that includes shipping.  What do you have to lose?
Dave,

Is this the mod you just did to my UberBuss last month, the one with Furutech NCF's?

Thx,

Tom
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: TrueAudio on April 07, 2018, 07:45:44 AM
OK, Dave said we'd hear more in a day or 6 and that was at least 5 days ago, so hopefully soon.

Charles, thanks for the report.   Can't wait to hear more.
Been busy securing all of the suppliers needed and finalizing the design.  Sometimes the wheels run slow getting back to a small guy like me.  Sigh...

Here are the specs:

Same old ugly black box to hide somewhere.

Same size as a MinBUSS or DigiBUSS - 7.125" x 5.375" x 3.875

12ga 18" pigtail terminated with a Furutech FI-11Cu Edison plug

Introductory price is $349.00 + $15.00 shipping in the continental USA

Of course there are options for NEMA Edison plugs from the Furutech range, but since this is designed for the branch circuit opposite from the system branch I'm not sure how advantageous putting a $406.00 FI FI-52M NCF plug will be.  If that floats your goat I'll be happy to do so... just be advised.

The results are subtle in some systems, not so subtle in others.  As always the 30 day 100% Money Back Guarantee is applicable.

I like it.  There is just another bit of haze and glare gone after break-in.  BI takes about 7-10 days.  The effects are really noticeable after having it in circuit for about a week and then taking it out.  When we are talking about ancillary noise reduction it kinds of creeps up on you.

Oh, yeah.  Like Charles, our fridge is quieter and the TV is just sharper with blacker blacks.  That is where  noise manifests itself the most in video.

Taking orders now.
Ok so this is my 1st post here, I'm not into formal "introductions" on forums, so this will be it.  I will say that I am a customer of Dave, and I was also the inspiration for Dave to create this new device, based on my observations and analysis, derived from numerous electric measurements, continual experimentation with different types of power filtering technologies, while also reminding myself that the KISS principle still in fact, does apply.  Depth of the video image also starts to emerge as well, besides the better blacks you mention.  You're seeing more depth because the space around objects, and actors in video is supposed to be just that--open, empty space, air, if you will--even small amounts of noise will 'just become part of the image' that you were accustomed to all along around what is supposed to be the video equivalent to what is actual transparency in audio terms. 

Dave, great points you made in your post here.  I addressed my refrigerator early on the more I learned about the various places noise originates from, and the fact that your entire house literally, really is one giant power strip, and asking a single conditioner to do everything is literally impossible for numerous reasons that you already know.  One being that--one of the most important ways to get rid of noise, is to stop creating it in the 1st place (and this is where Dave's Digibuss applies in a huge way).  In my case, my fridge was made quieter, smoother running with 2 things.  One, I installed a 20A Surgex unit that has built-in current inrush limiting (which is great for dampening the internal surges that would be generated upon start-up throughout that entire electrical phase). 

Now the fridge itself still backfeeds substantial noise into the powerline (and this isn't even a newer fridge, there is no SMPS powered electronics in it).  So I shut that down pretty significantly by plugging a 12 Amp Oneac E-core type isolation transformer (model CB115H) after the Surgex and plugging the fridge into that.  Now what was hundreds of mV of garbage circulating back into everything is mitigated to less than 25mV.  The series inductor of the Surgex upstream of the transformer also contributing to some degree I am sure. 

I'll have to say that Dave is the most selfless, passionate human being I've ever dealt with in this hobby in 25 years. 

His Uberbuss is a real piece of equipment that takes no prisoners.  I say that from a real-world, measurement standpoint, instead of just the usual reviews of sonic improvements that everyone already shares.  The Uberbuss, according to my measurements, reduces broadband powerline noise approximately 4.5 times greater than a 2.4kva 0.0005pf Topaz isolation transformer (which I also use and am getting another) by itself.  A transformer "good enough" for lab grade power for oscilloscopes, lasers, and so forth.  This isn't my opinion because you can measure that for yourself with a basic EMI/RFI meter.  I'd say that's an amazing achievement.

Hats off to you Dave; your contributions, honesty, effort, and humility, cannot be overstated.

P.S.  Your crickets comment prompted me to post this.  No crickets allowed =)
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: rollo on April 07, 2018, 11:12:16 AM
All I have here are crickets...   This is a fairly substatntial upgrade, especially for Uber users that understand what a massive reduction in power related noise can do for the SQ of even the most modest systems. 

Remember, there is a 100% Money Back Guarantee that includes shipping.  What do you have to lose?

   Well Dave you will be hearing those Crickets pissing on the Cotton now.  :lol:


charles
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on April 07, 2018, 12:30:51 PM
OK, Dave said we'd hear more in a day or 6 and that was at least 5 days ago, so hopefully soon.

Charles, thanks for the report.   Can't wait to hear more.
Been busy securing all of the suppliers needed and finalizing the design.  Sometimes the wheels run slow getting back to a small guy like me.  Sigh...

Here are the specs:

Same old ugly black box to hide somewhere.

Same size as a MinBUSS or DigiBUSS - 7.125" x 5.375" x 3.875

12ga 18" pigtail terminated with a Furutech FI-11Cu Edison plug

Introductory price is $349.00 + $15.00 shipping in the continental USA

Of course there are options for NEMA Edison plugs from the Furutech range, but since this is designed for the branch circuit opposite from the system branch I'm not sure how advantageous putting a $406.00 FI FI-52M NCF plug will be.  If that floats your goat I'll be happy to do so... just be advised.

The results are subtle in some systems, not so subtle in others.  As always the 30 day 100% Money Back Guarantee is applicable.

I like it.  There is just another bit of haze and glare gone after break-in.  BI takes about 7-10 days.  The effects are really noticeable after having it in circuit for about a week and then taking it out.  When we are talking about ancillary noise reduction it kinds of creeps up on you.

Oh, yeah.  Like Charles, our fridge is quieter and the TV is just sharper with blacker blacks.  That is where  noise manifests itself the most in video.

Taking orders now.
Ok so this is my 1st post here, I'm not into formal "introductions" on forums, so this will be it.  I will say that I am a customer of Dave, and I was also the inspiration for Dave to create this new device, based on my observations and analysis, derived from numerous electric measurements, continual experimentation with different types of power filtering technologies, while also reminding myself that the KISS principle still in fact, does apply.  Depth of the video image also starts to emerge as well, besides the better blacks you mention.  You're seeing more depth because the space around objects, and actors in video is supposed to be just that--open, empty space, air, if you will--even small amounts of noise will 'just become part of the image' that you were accustomed to all along around what is supposed to be the video equivalent to what is actual transparency in audio terms. 

Dave, great points you made in your post here.  I addressed my refrigerator early on the more I learned about the various places noise originates from, and the fact that your entire house literally, really is one giant power strip, and asking a single conditioner to do everything is literally impossible for numerous reasons that you already know.  One being that--one of the most important ways to get rid of noise, is to stop creating it in the 1st place (and this is where Dave's Digibuss applies in a huge way).  In my case, my fridge was made quieter, smoother running with 2 things.  One, I installed a 20A Surgex unit that has built-in current inrush limiting (which is great for dampening the internal surges that would be generated upon start-up throughout that entire electrical phase). 

Now the fridge itself still backfeeds substantial noise into the powerline (and this isn't even a newer fridge, there is no SMPS powered electronics in it).  So I shut that down pretty significantly by plugging a 12 Amp Oneac E-core type isolation transformer (model CB115H) after the Surgex and plugging the fridge into that.  Now what was hundreds of mV of garbage circulating back into everything is mitigated to less than 25mV.  The series inductor of the Surgex upstream of the transformer also contributing to some degree I am sure. 

I'll have to say that Dave is the most selfless, passionate human being I've ever dealt with in this hobby in 25 years. 

His Uberbuss is a real piece of equipment that takes no prisoners.  I say that from a real-world, measurement standpoint, instead of just the usual reviews of sonic improvements that everyone already shares.  The Uberbuss, according to my measurements, reduces broadband powerline noise approximately 4.5 times greater than a 2.4kva 0.0005pf Topaz isolation transformer (which I also use and am getting another) by itself.  A transformer "good enough" for lab grade power for oscilloscopes, lasers, and so forth.  This isn't my opinion because you can measure that for yourself with a basic EMI/RFI meter.  I'd say that's an amazing achievement.

Hats off to you Dave; your contributions, honesty, effort, and humility, cannot be overstated.

P.S.  Your crickets comment prompted me to post this.  No crickets allowed =)


Good to have you post and give more information on the development of this product. I’ll very likely try it a few weeks
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: HAL on April 07, 2018, 03:59:21 PM
Dave,
Put me down for a BetaBUSS. 

Need to try this out with The Megaliths setup and BlunderBUSS' opposite branch circuit. 
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 07, 2018, 09:34:55 PM
Howdy, Dave.

Sounds intriguing. Melody and I have placed our Corvallis home on the market in order to move to the Vancouver, WA area to be near my mother. If we ever find an acceptable home there, I wouldn't mind trying one. [Find an acceptable home = Melody says it meets her requirements   :duh]

Michael
Thanks Mike.  If you move to Vancouver you'll be a lot closer to our kids in Portland and we'll be able to hang out a few times a year.  It will be good to see you two again.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 07, 2018, 09:38:24 PM
OK, Dave said we'd hear more in a day or 6 and that was at least 5 days ago, so hopefully soon.

Charles, thanks for the report.   Can't wait to hear more.
Been busy securing all of the suppliers needed and finalizing the design.  Sometimes the wheels run slow getting back to a small guy like me.  Sigh...

Here are the specs:

Same old ugly black box to hide somewhere.

Same size as a MinBUSS or DigiBUSS - 7.125" x 5.375" x 3.875

12ga 18" pigtail terminated with a Furutech FI-11Cu Edison plug

Introductory price is $349.00 + $15.00 shipping in the continental USA

Of course there are options for NEMA Edison plugs from the Furutech range, but since this is designed for the branch circuit opposite from the system branch I'm not sure how advantageous putting a $406.00 FI FI-52M NCF plug will be.  If that floats your goat I'll be happy to do so... just be advised.

The results are subtle in some systems, not so subtle in others.  As always the 30 day 100% Money Back Guarantee is applicable.

I like it.  There is just another bit of haze and glare gone after break-in.  BI takes about 7-10 days.  The effects are really noticeable after having it in circuit for about a week and then taking it out.  When we are talking about ancillary noise reduction it kinds of creeps up on you.

Oh, yeah.  Like Charles, our fridge is quieter and the TV is just sharper with blacker blacks.  That is where  noise manifests itself the most in video.

Taking orders now.
Ok so this is my 1st post here, I'm not into formal "introductions" on forums, so this will be it.  I will say that I am a customer of Dave, and I was also the inspiration for Dave to create this new device, based on my observations and analysis, derived from numerous electric measurements, continual experimentation with different types of power filtering technologies, while also reminding myself that the KISS principle still in fact, does apply.  Depth of the video image also starts to emerge as well, besides the better blacks you mention.  You're seeing more depth because the space around objects, and actors in video is supposed to be just that--open, empty space, air, if you will--even small amounts of noise will 'just become part of the image' that you were accustomed to all along around what is supposed to be the video equivalent to what is actual transparency in audio terms. 

Dave, great points you made in your post here.  I addressed my refrigerator early on the more I learned about the various places noise originates from, and the fact that your entire house literally, really is one giant power strip, and asking a single conditioner to do everything is literally impossible for numerous reasons that you already know.  One being that--one of the most important ways to get rid of noise, is to stop creating it in the 1st place (and this is where Dave's Digibuss applies in a huge way).  In my case, my fridge was made quieter, smoother running with 2 things.  One, I installed a 20A Surgex unit that has built-in current inrush limiting (which is great for dampening the internal surges that would be generated upon start-up throughout that entire electrical phase). 

Now the fridge itself still backfeeds substantial noise into the powerline (and this isn't even a newer fridge, there is no SMPS powered electronics in it).  So I shut that down pretty significantly by plugging a 12 Amp Oneac E-core type isolation transformer (model CB115H) after the Surgex and plugging the fridge into that.  Now what was hundreds of mV of garbage circulating back into everything is mitigated to less than 25mV.  The series inductor of the Surgex upstream of the transformer also contributing to some degree I am sure. 

I'll have to say that Dave is the most selfless, passionate human being I've ever dealt with in this hobby in 25 years. 

His Uberbuss is a real piece of equipment that takes no prisoners.  I say that from a real-world, measurement standpoint, instead of just the usual reviews of sonic improvements that everyone already shares.  The Uberbuss, according to my measurements, reduces broadband powerline noise approximately 4.5 times greater than a 2.4kva 0.0005pf Topaz isolation transformer (which I also use and am getting another) by itself.  A transformer "good enough" for lab grade power for oscilloscopes, lasers, and so forth.  This isn't my opinion because you can measure that for yourself with a basic EMI/RFI meter.  I'd say that's an amazing achievement.

Hats off to you Dave; your contributions, honesty, effort, and humility, cannot be overstated.

P.S.  Your crickets comment prompted me to post this.  No crickets allowed =)
Wow!  Thank you Mark.  It is a pleasure to know you my friend  :thumb:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 07, 2018, 10:00:59 PM
All I have here are crickets...   This is a fairly substatntial upgrade, especially for Uber users that understand what a massive reduction in power related noise can do for the SQ of even the most modest systems. 

Remember, there is a 100% Money Back Guarantee that includes shipping.  What do you have to lose?
Dave,

Is this the mod you just did to my UberBuss last month, the one with Furutech NCF's?

Thx,

Tom
Tom, no it isn't.

This is a device to address noise on the branch circuit in opposition to the branch the system lives on.  It addresses the noise that is radiated by the wire as RFI as well as the noise riding on the Neutral.  Since the neutral is common the both branches there is crosstalk from one to the other.  Get rid of. This noise and we are one step closer to ultra low noise helps create the "Majik".

By the way, what about those NCF's and new FinalFilters and the new TWL cables?

No pressure.   8)
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 07, 2018, 10:22:06 PM
Well, I was asking for a clarification, but since no response, I’ll take a shot at it. If I’m looking at the right and left side of the panel, I search for the breaker where my audio is located. Then on the opposite side and on an alternate, staggered breaker, I simply plug it in to that branch. Apparently proximity is not a consideration.
Yea or nay??
Gayle's birthday today and we were frolicking last night doing a live music thing and then just cruisin' today  :thumb:

It will plug into any interior receptacle that is antiphase to the system branch.  This is a new deal so it will need some investigation as to which one of those circuits is best.  Your basic old cut n try.

I'll be ready when you are.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 07, 2018, 10:22:43 PM
All I have here are crickets...   This is a fairly substatntial upgrade, especially for Uber users that understand what a massive reduction in power related noise can do for the SQ of even the most modest systems. 

Remember, there is a 100% Money Back Guarantee that includes shipping.  What do you have to lose?

   Well Dave you will be hearing those Crickets pissing on the Cotton now.  :lol:


charles
I just needed to bang on some cans, I reckon  :)
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 16, 2018, 10:56:28 PM
The new name is the BUSS-Depot.

I made some changes to the prototype circuit for better sound as well as safety.

I'm shipping now and look forward to feedback. Time will tell!
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: HAL on April 17, 2018, 07:26:29 AM
Dave,
Looking forward to giving it a try!  :D
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on April 17, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
Well, I’m curious and will likely give it a go in a little while. Especially interested in HAL’s opinion as it would be the second version or improvement of Dave’s product
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 17, 2018, 09:33:57 PM
Well, I’m curious and will likely give it a go in a little while. Especially interested in HAL’s opinion as it would be the second version or improvement of Dave’s product
I think I'm done screwing with it.  I had an epiphany and changed some circuitry for the best.  I have one other beta out and am expecting some well educated and experienced feedback.

One thing must be said about the BUSS-Station.  It must never be handled unplugged unless the On/Off switch is off.  The Station will store a charge for a couple of minutes if it is unplugged with the switch On.  There is a potential for a BIG surprise at least and injury at worst if the switch is in the On position, unplugged and the user comes into contact with the NEMA plug prongs.  Never, never, never touch prongs from ANY piece of gear unless it has been unplugged for a minimum of 5 minutes.  That is not just a good idea, it should be a rule that we all follow.

Just sayin'.

I'm really looking forward to feedback.   :thumb:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 20, 2018, 07:03:52 PM
Rich (HAL) should have his tomorrow along with an occasional poster here at AN.  I am hoping that they get the same kind of results to what have been gotten so far!  Look forward to their reports.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BUSS-Depot
Post by: HAL on April 21, 2018, 09:21:04 AM
Dave's BUSS-Depot has arrived and looks great to me!

Now to find the opposite phase plug for use.  Luckily it looks like both phases go to different plugs in the basement.  The audio room plugs have their own 20A breaker, so that is the reference phase. 
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BUSS-Depot
Post by: Nick B on April 21, 2018, 09:46:22 AM
Dave's BUSS-Depot has arrived and looks great to me!

Now to find the opposite phase plug for use.  Luckily it looks like both phases go to different plugs in the basement.  The audio room plugs have their own 20A breaker, so that is the reference phase.


I was wondering what it looked like. Happy listening!
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BUSS-Depot
Post by: P.I. on April 21, 2018, 06:49:14 PM
Dave's BUSS-Depot has arrived and looks great to me!

Now to find the opposite phase plug for use.  Luckily it looks like both phases go to different plugs in the basement.  The audio room plugs have their own 20A breaker, so that is the reference phase.


I was wondering what it looked like. Happy listening!
yep, Nick.  Another nondescript black box, but wait!!!:  unlike everything else I build it has a switch.  I'm working on the legalese one-sheet that explains the necessity for using this switch when plugging and unplugging the B-D.  It can store enough energy to A: get your attention ; B: knock you on your ass or, C: kill a person with severe heart disease or a pacemaker.  That is why I will be sending a Use of Product sheet to any person that wishes to buy one.  Sane people would never touch the prongs on the NEMA Edison plug, but there are some really stupid people in this world of audio.  None of us, of course  :thumb:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BUSS-Depot
Post by: Nick B on April 21, 2018, 08:46:30 PM
Dave's BUSS-Depot has arrived and looks great to me!

Now to find the opposite phase plug for use.  Luckily it looks like both phases go to different plugs in the basement.  The audio room plugs have their own 20A breaker, so that is the reference phase.


I was wondering what it looked like. Happy listening!
yep, Nick.  Another nondescript black box, but wait!!!:  unlike everything else I build it has a switch.  I'm working on the legalese one-sheet that explains the necessity for using this switch when plugging and unplugging the B-D.  It can store enough energy to A: get your attention ; B: knock you on your ass or, C: kill a person with severe heart disease or a pacemaker.  That is why I will be sending a Use of Product sheet to any person that wishes to buy one.  Sane people would never touch the prongs on the NEMA Edison plug, but there are some really stupid people in this world of audio.  None of us, of course  :thumb:

Dave,
Glad you are repeating what your little black box can do if we aren't careful and don’t use common sense. Hope you sell a bunch if these!!
Nick
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dflee on April 22, 2018, 05:57:50 AM
Dave, sounds like ya put another great idea into reality.
Looking forward to getting. Adding the caution is always a good thing for all of us who are ignorant in the electric area.

Don
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: mdconnelly on April 22, 2018, 08:16:36 AM
Dave,  is it just a black box with a switch or does it also contain outlets?   Can't quite tell for sure from the pic.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: HAL on April 22, 2018, 09:33:08 AM
No outlet.  Just a switch and plug to go into the wall AC outlet on the opposite phase to your listening system.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: richidoo on April 22, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
You can call it the "SHOCKBOX."     :rofl:

(https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/2110805/1043845633/stock-photo-little-baby-licking-a-white-electric-plug-for-connection-to-the-outlet-1043845633.jpg)

I'm sure an auto-shutoff will be easy for you to invent.  :thumb:

Or permanently screw it to the house and hardwire it. That meets code, but not an easy DIY tweak.

Sounds very intriguing. Best of luck with the new baby Dave!
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on April 22, 2018, 01:28:46 PM
You can call it the "SHOCKBOX."     :rofl:

(https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/2110805/1043845633/stock-photo-little-baby-licking-a-white-electric-plug-for-connection-to-the-outlet-1043845633.jpg)

I'm sure an auto-shutoff will be easy for you to invent.  :thumb:

Or permanently screw it to the house and hardwire it. That meets code, but not an easy DIY tweak.

Sounds very intriguing. Best of luck with the new baby Dave!


Geez, I hope this kid isn’t a forum member....
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: richidoo on April 22, 2018, 01:40:07 PM
Not anymore.  :(


 :rofl:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 22, 2018, 03:14:58 PM
You can call it the "SHOCKBOX."     :rofl:

(https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/2110805/1043845633/stock-photo-little-baby-licking-a-white-electric-plug-for-connection-to-the-outlet-1043845633.jpg)

I'm sure an auto-shutoff will be easy for you to invent.  :thumb:

Or permanently screw it to the house and hardwire it. That meets code, but not an easy DIY tweak.

Sounds very intriguing. Best of luck with the new baby Dave!
Ouch!  I remember when Oscar the cat chewed into the Christmas tree light cord.  He never was the same after that.

It has safety discharge resistors that will take everything down to zero volts relatively quickly.  They also are much lower impedance than skin to help reduce shock hazard.  The On/Off switch is exactly that and eliminates any shock potential.  I'm still going to require a digitally signed disclaimer from buyers before I ship. 

Like you say, hardwiring is the best way to do it.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: richidoo on April 22, 2018, 03:21:46 PM
X-spurts say we're supposed to have all our audio gear on one phase and our noisy appliances like flourescent bulbs and fridge on the other phase. I think there is some advantage to having all the audio gear on same phase other than keeping away from noisy appliances. But the imagination of technically minded can run wild on topics like these, I wonder how much of it is just wives' tales.

I also wondered why not put betabusses on both phases.  #-o
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 22, 2018, 03:34:25 PM
i've been watching this thread; here's my question - i purposely connected my front end gear - preamp & sources to one branch, and the amps and x-over to the other.  actually, i just wanted them on separate breakers, but it turns out they're also on different branches.  so, would this not work in my situation?  or would i need two?  or?

thanks,

doug s.
Im surprised that you don't have hum issues, but hey... whatever works.

Ideally the combination of an Uber on one branch (probably the one with the front end) and the B-D on the other would be the way to go, but using two would be a decent alternative.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 22, 2018, 03:44:22 PM
X-spurts say we're supposed to have all our audio gear on one phase and our noisy appliances like flourescent bulbs and fridge on the other phase. I think there is some advantage to having all the audio gear on same phase other than keeping away from noisy appliances. But the imagination of technically minded can run wild on topics like these, I wonder how much of it is just wives' tales.

I also wondered why not put betabusses on both phases.  #-o
Since we need both phases to split the load as even as possible it is hard to be really rigorous about this.  Given this it is not uncommon to see Neutral and Ground differentials of several volts = ground loops and DC components in house wiring.  These are real problems that can cause all kinds of chaos.  Ground loops are just the tip of the iceberg.  AC noise is often insidious and taken as "normal" until it is gone and the system is transformed.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: HAL on April 22, 2018, 04:59:50 PM
Well according to my main panel, the basement opposite side to the audio room has the other phase running the plugs and lights.  That is interesting as that means all the downstairs light dimmers and upstairs refrigerator are on the B phase and the audio system on the A phase.

The BUSS-Depot is now connected and on.  Will give it a bit and see what happens in the audio room.  Cool that you can use the switch to A/B and see what happens.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 23, 2018, 11:18:20 AM
i've been watching this thread; here's my question - i purposely connected my front end gear - preamp & sources to one branch, and the amps and x-over to the other.  actually, i just wanted them on separate breakers, but it turns out they're also on different branches.  so, would this not work in my situation?  or would i need two?  or?

thanks,

doug s.
Im surprised that you don't have hum issues, but hey... whatever works.

Ideally the combination of an Uber on one branch (probably the one with the front end) and the B-D on the other would be the way to go, but using two would be a decent alternative.
it could be that i do not have hum because, on the front end, the preamp, fono stage, tuner & dbx are plugged into a medical/lab grade isolation transformer, which is in turn plugged into a furman balanced power conditioner.  the tuirntable gets its own medical/lab grade isolation transformer.  the internet tuner, cd transport, dacs (one for internet tuner, the other for transport), tube buffer and fm decoder are plugged into a multi-outlet felix, which also gets plugged into a separate duplex outlet on the furman balanced power conditioner.  on the output side, the active x-over and three amps (4 plugs, actually, as the mesa baron has separate power cords for each channel), get plugged into the cinepro balanced power conditioner.

doug s.
Yup,  those will do it because grounds are virtual in balanced power supplies.

Do you notice reduced dynamics with the Mesa Baron plugged into the Cinepro?
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 23, 2018, 01:09:15 PM
Yup,  those will do it because grounds are virtual in balanced power supplies.

Do you notice reduced dynamics with the Mesa Baron plugged into the Cinepro?
you know, i never tried the baron straight into the wall.  (even before i connected the cinepro, the baron was plugged into a mondo topaz ultra-isolation transformer; and before that, a vans evers clean line "unlimiter" - made specifically for amps.)  but dynamics have never been a problem w/it.  i guess i could try and see.  but i suspect i wouldn't be able to hear a difference.  (not saying there isn't a difference!  ;) )  the cinepro is a 20a 2400w thing, that, at 75lbs, weighs 10lbs more than the baron.
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0511/26/cinepro-powerpro-20-power-conditioner_1_9d1f4f2105b98867c070e445ecfa1d10.jpg)
(https://img.usaudiomart.com/uploads/large/752706-cinepro_powerpro_20_ac_line_balancer.jpg)

doug s.
yeah, I get it.  I hadf a Topz 2.5KVE Ultra Iso TX that I liberated from Philips Semi when we shut that plant down.  Even on my 20WPC Cary 572SE MKII monoblocks there was a significant reduction in rise times through that set up.

Give it a shot.  It will be interesting to see your results.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on April 23, 2018, 09:12:24 PM
Yup,  those will do it because grounds are virtual in balanced power supplies.

Do you notice reduced dynamics with the Mesa Baron plugged into the Cinepro?
you know, i never tried the baron straight into the wall.  (even before i connected the cinepro, the baron was plugged into a mondo topaz ultra-isolation transformer; and before that, a vans evers clean line "unlimiter" - made specifically for amps.)  but dynamics have never been a problem w/it.  i guess i could try and see.  but i suspect i wouldn't be able to hear a difference.  (not saying there isn't a difference!  ;) )  the cinepro is a 20a 2400w thing, that, at 75lbs, weighs 10lbs more than the baron.
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0511/26/cinepro-powerpro-20-power-conditioner_1_9d1f4f2105b98867c070e445ecfa1d10.jpg)
(https://img.usaudiomart.com/uploads/large/752706-cinepro_powerpro_20_ac_line_balancer.jpg)

doug s.
yeah, I get it.  I hadf a Topz 2.5KVE Ultra Iso TX that I liberated from Philips Semi when we shut that plant down.  Even on my 20WPC Cary 572SE MKII monoblocks there was a significant reduction in rise times through that set up.

Give it a shot.  It will be interesting to see your results.
Damn, I hate fat finger typing:  I had a Topaz 2.5KVA....  Sheesh!
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 24, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
yeah, I get it.  I hadf a Topz 2.5KVE Ultra Iso TX that I liberated from Philips Semi when we shut that plant down.  Even on my 20WPC Cary 572SE MKII monoblocks there was a significant reduction in rise times through that set up.

Give it a shot.  It will be interesting to see your results.
Damn, I hate fat finger typing:  I had a Topaz 2.5KVA....  Sheesh!
damn, i must have fat eyeball reading, cuz i didn't even notice; read it as 2.5kva!   :D 

was the reduction in rise time audible, or was it just the measurement?

doug s.
It was apparent on the leading edges of percussion and solo acoustic guitar more than anything.  Instead of a drum going THWACK! it was more like tHWACK - same with cymbals PING became pING.  As a retired concussions (rock and roll drummer) these are things that really stick out to me.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: TrueAudio on April 24, 2018, 02:35:26 PM
yeah, I get it.  I hadf a Topz 2.5KVE Ultra Iso TX that I liberated from Philips Semi when we shut that plant down.  Even on my 20WPC Cary 572SE MKII monoblocks there was a significant reduction in rise times through that set up.

Give it a shot.  It will be interesting to see your results.
Damn, I hate fat finger typing:  I had a Topaz 2.5KVA....  Sheesh!
damn, i must have fat eyeball reading, cuz i didn't even notice; read it as 2.5kva!   :D 

was the reduction in rise time audible, or was it just the measurement?

doug s.
It was apparent on the leading edges of percussion and solo acoustic guitar more than anything.  Instead of a drum going THWACK! it was more like tHWACK - same with cymbals PING became pING.  As a retired concussions (rock and roll drummer) these are things that really stick out to me.
As I currently await the very xformer you speak of, I'm using a slightly smaller 2.4kVA one (yes it's 0.0005pf also).  I tested the Uber in front of, and after it.  Uber after it is the way to go absolutely hands down, because it eliminates the transient blunting of the xformer, as well as getting rid of that weird slow, "syrupy" sound from coming directly off the transformer.  I will say that the Uber after it is, IMO better than just the uber by itself.  I personally noticed greater silence between notes, cleaner treble frequencies.  The silence between notes was probably the biggest improvement I noticed with the Topaz upstream of the Uber.  You have to keep in mind, I live in probably one of the worst states for dirty power (MA) --because of all the solar bullshit.  Cheap-ass solar inverters made in China, by themselves generating up to 2 full volts of noise right onto peoples AC mains--and how much of that is backfeeding to the transformers on the street--times that by increasing thousands and thousands of people, and I can't even believe electronics can even survive anymore, much less be anywhere near getting the quality power we had even 5 years ago.  It's getting so bad that I've seen businesses with motors burning out from the extreme noise creating excessive heat in the windings, to where it's almost going to be mandatory to shell out the cash for Environmental Potentials panel mount units (both the main filter plus the high frequency filter (which is also a low frequency filter [starts at 200Hz]).

There are low noise solar inverters, for $4,500.  So, you want solar and want clean power, that's what you're going to be paying, but that doesn't address the noise from 99.9999% of everyone else who has the lowest quality garbage electronics stuffed into all these inverters and "smart" (slavery) meters [that should be banned and made illegal, permanently].
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 24, 2018, 05:23:39 PM
ok, ot - but why , exactly, should smart meters be banned and made illegal?   :-k  making them illegal is what should be permanently banned, imo.

doug s.
Yes, sir.  They suck in every way.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on April 24, 2018, 05:53:01 PM
yeah, I get it.  I hadf a Topz 2.5KVE Ultra Iso TX that I liberated from Philips Semi when we shut that plant down.  Even on my 20WPC Cary 572SE MKII monoblocks there was a significant reduction in rise times through that set up.

Give it a shot.  It will be interesting to see your results.
Damn, I hate fat finger typing:  I had a Topaz 2.5KVA....  Sheesh!
damn, i must have fat eyeball reading, cuz i didn't even notice; read it as 2.5kva!   :D 

was the reduction in rise time audible, or was it just the measurement?

doug s.
It was apparent on the leading edges of percussion and solo acoustic guitar more than anything.  Instead of a drum going THWACK! it was more like tHWACK - same with cymbals PING became pING.  As a retired concussions (rock and roll drummer) these are things that really stick out to me.
As I currently await the very xformer you speak of, I'm using a slightly smaller 2.4kVA one (yes it's 0.0005pf also).  I tested the Uber in front of, and after it.  Uber after it is the way to go absolutely hands down, because it eliminates the transient blunting of the xformer, as well as getting rid of that weird slow, "syrupy" sound from coming directly off the transformer.  I will say that the Uber after it is, IMO better than just the uber by itself.  I personally noticed greater silence between notes, cleaner treble frequencies.  The silence between notes was probably the biggest improvement I noticed with the Topaz upstream of the Uber.  You have to keep in mind, I live in probably one of the worst states for dirty power (MA) --because of all the solar bullshit.  Cheap-ass solar inverters made in China, by themselves generating up to 2 full volts of noise right onto peoples AC mains--and how much of that is backfeeding to the transformers on the street--times that by increasing thousands and thousands of people, and I can't even believe electronics can even survive anymore, much less be anywhere near getting the quality power we had even 5 years ago.  It's getting so bad that I've seen businesses with motors burning out from the extreme noise creating excessive heat in the windings, to where it's almost going to be mandatory to shell out the cash for Environmental Potentials panel mount units (both the main filter plus the high frequency filter (which is also a low frequency filter [starts at 200Hz]).

There are low noise solar inverters, for $4,500.  So, you want solar and want clean power, that's what you're going to be paying, but that doesn't address the noise from 99.9999% of everyone else who has the lowest quality garbage electronics stuffed into all these inverters and "smart" (slavery) meters [that should be banned and made illegal, permanently].


Thanks for the info on potential solar power issues. By definition, I had assumed solar  power would be quite pure.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: rollo on April 25, 2018, 08:03:18 AM
OK then what  should one purchase to use with Uber feeding digital gear only ? topaz ? other ? Spec of IT ?

charles
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: HAL on April 25, 2018, 08:59:32 AM
Charles,
Have you tried a DigiBUSS on the output of the UberBUSS for the digital components?  I have that running my MS-3 Music Server and dspMusikLCD 2x16 running The Megaliths and makes a very quiet system.  I have the USB SSD AC switching power supply as well on the DigiBUSS for the music library.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: TrueAudio on April 25, 2018, 10:28:50 AM
ok, ot - but why , exactly, should smart meters be banned and made illegal?   :-k  making them illegal is what should be permanently banned, imo.

doug s.
Start by educating yourself:

http://www.stopsmartmetersbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Evaluation-of-the-ITRON-Open-Way-AMI-Meter-PowerPoint-by-William-S.-Bathgate-Jan.12-2017-.pdf

Evaluation of the ITRON
Open Way AMI Meter
By William Bathgate, EE, ME
January 12, 2017

"About the Author

I hold an electrical engineering and mechanical engineering degree and previously was employed through late 2015 for 8 years at the Emerson Electric Company. While at Emerson Electric I was the Senior Program Manager for Power Distribution Systems and in charge of RF and IP based digitally controlled high power AC power switching system product lines in use in over 100 countries. I was also directly responsible for product certifications such as UL, CE, PSE and many other countries electrical certification bodies. I am very familiar with the electrical and electronic design of the AMI meters in use because I was responsible for very similar products with over 1 Million units installed across the world.

I hold a DOD Top Secret Clearance, serving in Cyber Security at the USMDA and Homeland Security
I have done this analysis due to my own curiosity without conflict of interest of this new technology.
I have 40 Years work experience in design and deployment of:

High tech power management systems, UPS and power distribution
Switched Mode Power Supplies
Electrical and Electronic hardware engineering
Computer systems engineering
Radio Systems design and testing
High Current and High Voltage switches
Internet communications using both wired and wireless technologies
UL, CE (Europe), Africa, Japan, Australia and China product safety certifications
Cyber encryption and protection of Radio Communications using digital signals
RFI/EMI mitigation"

http://stopsmartmeters.org/

EKG Proof That "Smart" Meters Affect the Human Heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-aNRQNRtaI

EKG Proof That "Smart" Meters Affect the Human Heart, Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIobFr3m8kk
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: rollo on April 25, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
Charles,
Have you tried a DigiBUSS on the output of the UberBUSS for the digital components?  I have that running my MS-3 Music Server and dspMusikLCD 2x16 running The Megaliths and makes a very quiet system.  I have the USB SSD AC switching power supply as well on the DigiBUSS for the music library.


  Hal I'm the Guy  who recommended using the Digibuss into the Uber. Most I noticed plugged Digibuss directly into wall outlet. They were as you discovered missing out.
   Was just curious as to which isolation transformer to check out. Thanks for the input.

charles
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 25, 2018, 11:50:00 AM
Charles,
Have you tried a DigiBUSS on the output of the UberBUSS for the digital components?  I have that running my MS-3 Music Server and dspMusikLCD 2x16 running The Megaliths and makes a very quiet system.  I have the USB SSD AC switching power supply as well on the DigiBUSS for the music library.


  Hal I'm the Guy  who recommended using the Digibuss into the Uber. Most I noticed plugged Digibuss directly into wall outlet. They were as you discovered missing out.
   Was just curious as to which isolation transformer to check out. Thanks for the input.

charles
There are up and downsides to using an ISO TX.  One is heat generation.  The good ones show about a 96%-97% efficiency and they do get quite warm to the touch.  Another is the inevitable hum that is inherent in large windings.  The worst ones from a hum standpoint are toroids - they also have very high inrush currents on energization and can trip circuit breakers if they are of a capacity (at least 2.0KVA) big enough to consider for power amps.  The biggie is the high output impedance of the transformer. 

Transformer ratings are steady state.  Having a large steady state capacity TX is essential for power supply.  A low output impedance is where slam, macro & micro dynamics and ultimate transparency comes from in audio.  Speed is what we are talking about here.  Another important requirement is very low capacitance -  .0005pf is desirable.

There are 3 brands that are essentially the same when it comes to function.  Originally manufactured by Square D is Topaz which became MGE(APC) and Xentex is pretty much a clone of the Square D/Topaz/MGE versions.  I have experimented with various sizes and have come to the conclusion that 2.5KVA is as small as I would consider for full system use.

CMRR is typically greater than 135dB for these types.  The best ones are ~145dB.

Using the UberBUSS after the transformer provides a power factor correction figure of 1.0 and very low output impedance as well as impedance matching from a transformer(ISO) to a transformer(gear) which is basically a no-no.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: djdube525 on April 25, 2018, 06:40:24 PM
i start a new job and my 1st project is to oversee the installation of a 5mw solar grid for nist.

Out of curiosity... NIST in Boulder, CO or MD?
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: richidoo on April 25, 2018, 06:48:57 PM
Start by educating yourself:

Thanks for the info TrueAudio! My wife's head while sleeping is 4 feet from the smart meter.  :shock:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 26, 2018, 10:56:58 AM
i start a new job and my 1st project is to oversee the installation of a 5mw solar grid for nist.

Out of curiosity... NIST in Boulder, CO or MD?
gaithersburg, md; which is 25-32 miles from my house (depending on the route); which means about a 45 minute commute; the shortest i have had in years!  i will also be involved w/a smaller set-up in quantico, va, but i won't have to go there more than 1-2 times/month.

doug s.
Great to see you got a good gig, Doug  :thumb:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: rollo on April 26, 2018, 12:45:21 PM
Start by educating yourself:

Thanks for the info TrueAudio! My wife's head while sleeping is 4 feet from the smart meter.  :shock:


  Richidoo not good move the bed or meter. I repeat not good. I know you know so move that bed. Get a Guass meter and measure that field. You will be shocked as to the amount.


charles

Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: richidoo on April 26, 2018, 04:05:08 PM
  Richidoo not good move the bed or meter. I repeat not good. I know you know so move that bed. Get a Guass meter and measure that field. You will be shocked as to the amount.

Thanks Charlie, yes I'm working on fixing it. Gonna get a meter to measure RF, then try faraday cage over the meter. Only the glass fishbowl part is not solid steel box, so that's where the 900MHz signal gets out. It broadcasts a very high power signal.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 26, 2018, 05:12:41 PM
  Richidoo not good move the bed or meter. I repeat not good. I know you know so move that bed. Get a Guass meter and measure that field. You will be shocked as to the amount.

Thanks Charlie, yes I'm working on fixing it. Gonna get a meter to measure RF, then try faraday cage over the meter. Only the glass fishbowl part is not solid steel box, so that's where the 900MHz signal gets out. It broadcasts a very high power signal.
You can download a gauss meter that is pretty darned good from:

Android - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keuwl.gaussmeter&hl=en_US

iPhone - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gaussmeter-teslameter/id930488579?mt=8

You will be amazed at the EMI/RFI hell that we live in!   :shock:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: richidoo on April 26, 2018, 08:37:22 PM
Thanks Dave. As I understand it you need a RF meter to check the smart meter emissions and they cost more than ghostbuster magnetic and electric field meters on amazon. But I found a rental (http://www.magneticsciences.com/rf-cell-tower-meter/)  :lol:  Sorry for the hijack
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on April 30, 2018, 11:22:26 AM
Thanks Dave. As I understand it you need a RF meter to check the smart meter emissions and they cost more than ghostbuster magnetic and electric field meters on amazon. But I found a rental (http://www.magneticsciences.com/rf-cell-tower-meter/)  :lol:  Sorry for the hijack
Not a hijack by any means, but what I would call an adjunct.   :)
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dBe on May 01, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
Results so far:

Mixed.  I'm a bit frustrated concerning some of the results that I'm getting and I'm not sure if it is due to a design with linited application or not being able to control the installation.

I would encourage those of you with tem to disregard my installation instructions and try the Depot in any receptacle that you deem fit.  It should find great application on the circuit with computers and thos type of power supplies or near your TV, etc.

Move them around and let us all know.

 :?
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on May 07, 2018, 05:05:55 PM
OK.  This doesn't count.  Obvious spousal bias.

My wife says that with it plugged into the same receptacle as our Samsung 60" LED TV it has never looked better.  Blacker blacks; better edge definition (she said "everything just looks 'sharper') and more vibrant colors.

My 70 year old eyes have to agree.  I need to build another one for us to calm the appliances back down.

Live and learn.

YMMV... it's subjective as always.  :)
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: TrueAudio on May 07, 2018, 06:21:19 PM
  Richidoo not good move the bed or meter. I repeat not good. I know you know so move that bed. Get a Guass meter and measure that field. You will be shocked as to the amount.

Thanks Charlie, yes I'm working on fixing it. Gonna get a meter to measure RF, then try faraday cage over the meter. Only the glass fishbowl part is not solid steel box, so that's where the 900MHz signal gets out. It broadcasts a very high power signal.
Watch this video (Alan Maher on noise):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRqPEOoO69U
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on May 07, 2018, 09:59:19 PM
  Richidoo not good move the bed or meter. I repeat not good. I know you know so move that bed. Get a Guass meter and measure that field. You will be shocked as to the amount.

Thanks Charlie, yes I'm working on fixing it. Gonna get a meter to measure RF, then try faraday cage over the meter. Only the glass fishbowl part is not solid steel box, so that's where the 900MHz signal gets out. It broadcasts a very high power signal.
Watch this video (Alan Maher on noise):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRqPEOoO69U

Wow...great video. Had no idea the extent of noise pollution from so many devides, and how about that $2,800 power cord.
I didn’t catch what device he was using to measure/hear the noise. Also, didn’t follow what he was saying about smart meters and transmission of microwaves.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: rollo on May 10, 2018, 11:33:28 AM
  Move it around for best results. Actually for me using on same circuit as sub panel for system now. Previously on branch circuit, go figure. BUY ONE.


charles
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: mauidan on May 20, 2018, 10:01:30 PM
As I told Dave, I couldn't measure any difference with my Entech Noise Sniffer when the BETABUSS was plugged in to a circuit across or below the breaker my system is on.

Based rollo's post, I plugged it in the same circuit my system is on.

I adjusted the Entech Noise Sniffer's Sensitivity until the display showed 100.

Turning the BETABUSS on, dropped the reading on the display to under 5.

Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on May 21, 2018, 10:13:05 PM
As I told Dave, I couldn't measure any difference with my Entech Noise Sniffer when the BETABUSS was plugged in to a circuit across or below the breaker my system is on.

Based rollo's post, I plugged it in the same circuit my system is on.

I adjusted the Entech Noise Sniffer's Sensitivity until the display showed 100.

Turning the BETABUSS on, dropped the reading on the display to under 5.
Thanks for checking in, Dan.

My results, only different.  On my opposite branch, I heard the 'fridge get noticeably quieter.  I was so curious I broke out my venerable (read as old, but still functioning... Like me) Audio ToolBox as well as my B&K 2250 sound level meter.  Both of them caught the running noise level at about -2dB relative to SPL without the Depot in place.  Doesn't sound like much, but that amounts to a 37% reduction in SPL. 

Gayle liked the Depot so much on the same receptacle with the TV, Direct TV receiver and DVD player that I'm having to build one for there (her).

Some systems or old ears will not hear the electrical noise reduction as a stark change.  Putting it on the same branch in a different location makes a distinct difference.  Even Dan's system that is treated with an Uber showed a sizable difference.  It started out VERY quiet with the Uber and got quieter with the Depot.  I'll take that  :thumb:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on May 22, 2018, 08:03:09 AM
Quite a difference in measurements in Dan’s system. Somewhere in my garage I have an emf meter and I’ll be curious what those readings will show.

Dave, as the results can vary per user and placement, can you conjecture what factors might be involved? Also, if it’s not proprietary, can you comment if your methodology is similar to the old Audio Prism Quiet Line modules? They worked well If I recall correctly, but I just got tired of having so many of them plugged into my outlets.
Nick
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: TrueAudio on May 31, 2018, 02:02:23 PM
Also, didn’t follow what he was saying about smart meters and transmission of microwaves.
Check out this other video (I recommend everyone watch this):

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqt5lq

"The measuring of the Frequencies and RF's are shown here and the dangers of these damnable meters ongoing in AZ."
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on May 31, 2018, 04:24:39 PM
Also, didn’t follow what he was saying about smart meters and transmission of microwaves.
Check out this other video (I recommend everyone watch this):

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqt5lq

"The measuring of the Frequencies and RF's are shown here and the dangers of these damnable meters ongoing in AZ."
+1  :shock:
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: P.I. on May 31, 2018, 05:06:53 PM
Quite a difference in measurements in Dan’s system. Somewhere in my garage I have an emf meter and I’ll be curious what those readings will show.

Dave, as the results can vary per user and placement, can you conjecture what factors might be involved? Also, if it’s not proprietary, can you comment if your methodology is similar to the old Audio Prism Quiet Line modules? They worked well If I recall correctly, but I just got tired of having so many of them plugged into my outlets.
Nick
Differential line noise that exists on AC lines is a type that is easily suppressed. It is a tiny component of AC noise and can be dealt with cheaply.  It prevails when there is a high-ish DC component on the power lines.  Several orders of magnitude higher is common mode noise that is the real culprit.  Audio Prism and PS Audio produced devices to deal with this noise along with others.  Their theory of operation was to strip off the HF noise components with simple LC networks and then turn that noise into heat through the use of a diode.  This is an over simplification, but that is essentially their function.  Problem is that most of this filtration is happening > 100KHz.  This helps tweeters live, but is inadequate for broadband noise suppression.  My products share nothing in common with those devices other than they contain wire, resistors and capacitors.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: Nick B on May 31, 2018, 11:52:34 PM
Also, didn’t follow what he was saying about smart meters and transmission of microwaves.
Check out this other video (I recommend everyone watch this):

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqt5lq

"The measuring of the Frequencies and RF's are shown here and the dangers of these damnable meters ongoing in AZ."

Very interesting and concerning as well. We are bombarded with so many external stimuli from so many sources like chemicals, food additives, microwaves, emf,  etc etc that its a wonder that our immune ststems can tolerate them. Then there are those folks who are affected and it must be a needle in a haystack to figure out what it might be.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: TrueAudio on February 09, 2019, 07:07:32 AM
Ok, so have a DigiBUSS and UberBUSS for the front end and BlunderBUSS and MiniBUSS for the amps in the system now with TWL's power cables. 

What would the BetaBUSS do in that case?
Rich, you use it on the opposite branch circuit (phase, other side of the panel... whatever) to address the noise on that branch.  It is about further noise reduction on the Neutral as well as RFI on that branch.  The effects are not that subtle since the thigh bone is connected to the hip bone that stabilizes both legs.  Audio humor there.   8)

Again, more useable power under the curve on the opposite branch can't hurt, either.
Hi Dave, got my unit, I cannot thank you enough.  Will be evaluating it more when I have time, initial impressions, definitely many improvements.  That being said, I bolded your last sentence because it's quite important.  More usable power is exactly that--with all of the noise riding on the line, those are *non power frequencies*, and they do not just magically disappear when seen by anything that uses AC.  It causes thermal heating effects in motors, hysteresis losses, multiple things that cause inefficiency and also reduce longevity of electronics.  Lower frequencies from what I understand, around 300Hz, can actually cause counter-veiling magnetic "friction" in motors.  I was using a Bill Seneca designed (from the 1980's) Promethean Power-Flo as a parallel filter sharing the outlet that I have the Topaz Xformer plugged into, and your unit easily bests that even just going my measurements alone--your unit having better than double the noise reduction just being plugged into the same receptacle.  I notice similar effects as the digibuss in terms of seeming elimination of the digitalness, brittle, hardness of even streamed video/audio on my 4K player, and out-of nowhere fine clean detail and "the ability to see 'into' the picture" that simply was non-existent before plugging in the Buss Depot.  Legendary product in a world of "my technology is better than yours" - no advertising required.  I'll evaluate over this more in a few weeks.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: PIAUDIO BETABUSS
Post by: dflee on February 09, 2019, 08:01:25 AM
Dave is a force to be reckoned with.

Don