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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2012, 08:21:32 AM »
  Why certainly. We will have the PDX and latest Neko DACs to try out. Might as well use a computer front end and compare to a transport. Fun, fun,fun.
      Since you are our clubs computer Guru who better to demo.  :thumb:


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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2012, 09:48:14 AM »
  Why certainly. We will have the PDX and latest Neko DACs to try out. Might as well use a computer front end and compare to a transport. Fun, fun,fun.
      Since you are our clubs computer Guru who better to demo.  :thumb:

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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2012, 11:32:36 AM »
Charles,

Please look into what they use for the USB input? As I mention , most use a BS off the shelf receivers so running my interface with the custom PSU into the SPDIF is better.


  Why certainly. We will have the PDX and latest Neko DACs to try out. Might as well use a computer front end and compare to a transport. Fun, fun,fun.
      Since you are our clubs computer Guru who better to demo.  :thumb:


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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2012, 04:30:26 PM »
Please look into what they use for the USB input? As I mention , most use a BS off the shelf receivers so running my interface with the custom PSU into the SPDIF is better.

Just a bit of interesting info about the PDX, and by way of answering your question.  I may do a separate post about it as well.

The PDX uses a battery powered M2Tech board direct to I2S and fedding, directly, the 8X oversampler, then onto the PCM1704 DAC Chip, but the board in the PDX has recently been redesigned to use a new PCB board the M2Tech board docks directly onto it.  I compared it to my older PDX and it sounded better so I ordered a new one but this time with the option of an I2S input to connect my Off-Ramp to.  Now the Off-Ramp is a quantum leap above the M2Tech and everyone expected the Off-Ramp to annihilate the M2tech. Everything I had previously tried the Off-Ramp against the Off-Ramp blew away - that includes the Audioplellio, JK, Wavelength, Berkley, and Stello.  But when I connected it up - guess what - it didn't - is was excruciatingly close - what the fook.

The Off-Ramp was slightly smoother and more analogue like but the M2TEch was slightly rougher but sounded a bit more detailed - which is better - I don't know.  I have demoed it to a few acquaintances and they say the same as me - both really good but which is better - don't know.  I am going to have some guys over to my place when they get a bit of time to try and get to the bottom of it.

The only thing I can think of is the shorter paths are lifting the performance of the M2Tech.  I sent a note to Steve Nugent about it and he is going to do a mod on my Off-Ramp that he thinks will make a big difference.

Anyway really interested in what you guys think about the PDX.  So if anyone has any ideas about this don't be shy in coming forward.  This is really strange - the Off-Ramp is in every way better than the M2Tech boards.

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Bill
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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2012, 08:46:59 AM »
BILL,

  My Dac uses an older AD1865N deccoder which does not accept an I2S input. The supplied USB board is crap so I learned about using an interface and I went from the M2tech Hi-Face to the M2tech EVO. I have been using BNC for the SPDIF and that makes a difference.

  I have a shunt regulated power supply for the Evo and that takes the EVO to a whole new level of Playback. What was a good device (EVO) is now an great device.

   I can't do anything these days and was system is in storage yet one day I may look into modding the EVO.

   Do you have a link about this PDX dac?

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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2012, 09:22:09 AM »
  Go to Lenehan audio site.


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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2012, 03:01:41 PM »
Do you have a link about this PDX dac?

Just to elaborate a bit on what Rollo said here is the Lenehan Link:
http://www.lenehanaudio.com.au/pdx.php

I have compared it to all sorts of stuff and only the Metrum fed with the Off-Ramp so far has been able to touch it although the Tranquility Signature put up a good show - people said they could live with it. 

However some guys over at Computer Audio compared it to the new AMR:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/AMR-DP777

The AMR was preferred by a smidgen. 

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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2012, 08:38:56 AM »
  Had an opportunity to hear the AMR in a unfamiliar system. Excellent performance. No digital artifacts whatsoever. Price is $5000. The PDX starts at $2500 with level 2 adds $800. The volume control may be a add on some perfer.
    Very anxious to hear the PDX. Getting in the latest Neko. Transformer output no op amps oh my !



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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2012, 12:47:52 PM »
Bill,

  You seem to have a good understanding of this Dac. Does it use the M2tech OEM Bus powered board or does it have a dedicated power supply?

  Are you the designer or the distributor?  I wand love to leanrn more about this dac. I weill be using my mac laptop to connect to the dac at the meeting? Can I use my NOS Tubes?



Do you have a link about this PDX dac?

Just to elaborate a bit on what Rollo said here is the Lenehan Link:
http://www.lenehanaudio.com.au/pdx.php

I have compared it to all sorts of stuff and only the Metrum fed with the Off-Ramp so far has been able to touch it although the Tranquility Signature put up a good show - people said they could live with it. 

However some guys over at Computer Audio compared it to the new AMR:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/AMR-DP777

The AMR was preferred by a smidgen. 

Thanks
Bill

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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2012, 05:20:50 PM »
You seem to have a good understanding of this Dac. Does it use the M2tech OEM Bus powered board or does it have a dedicated power supply? Are you the designer or the distributor?  I wand love to leanrn more about this dac. I weill be using my mac laptop to connect to the dac at the meeting? Can I use my NOS Tubes?

I am neither mate - simply a guy that is lucky enough to be 40 minutes away from the designer (Clay Geisner) and the manufacturer Lenehan Audio.

Here is info on Clay:
http://www.thespeakerspecialist.com.au/

They are a pretty friendly bunch and a lot of Audiophiles out our way (myself included) drop in every now and then for a chat and a demo of their new gear or to use Lenehan Audio's Reference system to check out different gear.  

Clay had a lot of trouble getting my Off-Ramp working via I2S with the PDX and when he finally did (it was a loose wire in the PDX) he had a good listen with the Off-Ramp.  When I picked it up we had a long chat about the gizards of the PDX - some of which I knew before - but a lot was new.  A number of guys out my way do that - you probably dodn't know them because they primarily post out here in Aus.

Interstingly a guy recently moved from Western Australia to near where I am - about halfway between Brisbane and the Gold Coast and he had extensively modded his PDX.  He took it down to Lenehan Audio, I took my PDX, and of course there were some PDX's already there.  We rang up another PDX owner and the stage was set for an interesting listen.  We heard it via the old USB interface the PDX once had - a Teradac - and it was veiled and distorted compared to the M2Tech boards in the new DAC's using one of my standard test Tracks - Dianna Krall - A Case Of You - the piano and coughing is a good test for any DAC.  We were going to check it out via SPDIF from my Off-Ramp but much to our charin and distress the SPDIF input on his PDX was on the blink and we couldn't get it working - it will need to wait for another time.

Interstingly, and not really related to this, he took an amp down called the Killer Amp and we all had high hopes it could be something special.  When I first heard it I went my my - the midrange presence, weight and palpability was astonishing - I said it could have been the best amp I had ever heard.  But others there were less impressed - one guy called it the blob - all midrange and no top or bottom end, slow, bloomy with no sound-stage or imaging.  It really polarized. But what really struck me was when its owner said he thought it didn't sound like your typical valve amp - to me it was your typical valve amp in overdrive.  And I had a phone call from a guy in Perth asking me what I thougt.  I said it sounded like your quintessential valve amp - he said it made voices sound real - which to my ears it most emphatically did not - beautiful, entrancing etc etc - but real - nope.  Anyway it will probably take a while to get fully up to speed on exactly what is going on with that amp.

The input to the PDX consists of M2Tech boards purchased from M2Tech - exactly what boards they are I am not sure.  They evidently require a number of supplies and in the PDX they all have their own separate battery supply - no regulators from a larger supply - it's nothing cutting edge using modified Paul Hines regulators and the other top of the line stuff Steve Nugent uses - it was done basically to keep the price within reason - not to be an all out assault.  Everyone, Clay, myself, everyone, thought the Off-Ramp would kill it - but it didn't - which left us all scratching out heads.  Of course Lenehan Audio is chuffed - but it still is a big mystery.

If you want to know more of the technical details of this DAC simply drop Clay a line and tell him what the go is and I am sure he will be only to happy to discuss it with you - like he does with guys like me that drop in.  Oh and the other thing is this DAC is not made in large quantities - Clay basically hand builds each one - so you will be speaking to the designer and builder.

Thanks
Bill
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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2012, 06:02:43 PM »
Had an opportunity to hear the AMR in a unfamiliar system. Excellent performance. No digital artifacts whatsoever. Price is $5000. The PDX starts at $2500 with level 2 adds $800. The volume control may be a add on some perfer. Very anxious to hear the PDX. Getting in the latest Neko. Transformer output no op amps oh my !

IMHO the PDX without the volume control is better.  To my ears direct connecting to your amps sounded more transparent.  Lenehan Audio hasn't done the comparisons yet, but I have and direct connecting easily wins - as Steve Nugent and some others I know found with their DAC's as well.  Since Clay builds each one he can use an I/V resister to match the output of the DAC to your amp.  Evidently the lower the value of that resister the better it sounds - although I personally have not done that comparison.

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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2012, 11:22:05 AM »
I am looking so forward to hearing this Dac. I will play my library of Vinyl recordings at 24 bit 96 Khz.

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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2012, 02:46:33 PM »
Just cannot get it to work. Do not know what settings to use on J. River and cannot seem to locate the driver required from M2tech. I give up. Zero info on sites.
  Guess I need Baby instructions step by step.


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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2012, 06:34:33 PM »
I deleted my post.  I thought you were using a HIFACE or HIFACE EVO, which doesn't seem to be the case after reading further up the thread.

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Re: January meeting notice
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2012, 08:55:45 PM »
Just cannot get it to work. Do not know what settings to use on J. River and cannot seem to locate the driver required from M2tech. I give up. Zero info on sites. Guess I need Baby instructions step by step.

Here are the drivers:
http://www.m2tech.biz/hiface.html#driver

To install it you simply download it and run it which should install the driver.  I do know when using a Windows machine with Jriver their is a slight issue with getting the setting in J River right but I have had my PDX running on machines with JRiver.  Maybe Foobar would be a better choice to start with.

Exactly which step is mucking up - did you manage to download the driver, install it and you cant get Jriver to work?

I just downloaded it and installed it on my windows machine no problem.  You have to select the one for the operating system you are using - I use Window 7 64 bit- you probably do as well.  Its a zip file so you have to unzip it - is that where you ran into problems?

Have you got dropbox?  Tell me what you are using (ie which version of windows and if its 32 bit or 64 bit) and I can send it to you - you simply click on it to install.

Anyway simply let me know and I will either dropbox it over or email it to you.

Thanks
Bill
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