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Title: New Grover ICs??
Post by: bobrex on September 20, 2007, 12:05:59 PM
From the Steve Hoffman site:

"Well, seems to be another upgrade in store. I emailed Grover this morning on the status of my order of "S" IC's, and he emailed me back the following:

Hi Sam, you're very lucky, I spent a while developing a new design that kills the graphite cable. I just made the special size cables in the SC version and sending them today

Sounds interesting, huh?"

So Grover, what's new?  And for those of us still breaking in the graphites, can we upgrade?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on September 20, 2007, 01:11:58 PM
Nobody should be surprised that Grover continually releases new versions of his products, this is common knowledge and I hope it will continue for many years.  :)  Sometime in the future I will audition the new version to see how much better than mine they are. I am confident the price of new ones will still be low and my old ones will still be better than anything available at the time for the same price.

Those who bought their 'grovers' in the AN group buy have already received two free upgrades from the black/white version that was originally offered for the group buy and sent on demo tour. The offer to upgrade whites to graphite was very generous and fair. We also received a 30% discount and a 4 month window to make up our minds, so I don't expect to receive more free upgrades from the GB deal.

Never hurts to ask, of course, but I just wanted to point out what we have already received. Grover has been very generous.
Rich
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: LKdog on September 20, 2007, 02:53:10 PM
Hey Rich-

While it is nice to see a designer continually trying to test and improve their product-it is a bit odd to be honest.

The most recent latest/greatest Grovers with the graphite techflex were shipped out in August.
Many people are still breaking them in.
These supposedly were a big improvement over the previous white versions, although some disagreed.

It is now September.

Not sure how he found time to develop a new cable as he was filling the Group Buy order for a few weeks and then was off hiking for a few weeks.  :)

He must work fast.

"Hi Sam, you're very lucky, I spent a while developing a new design that kills the graphite cable."

A little disconcerted to hear I now have a month old IC from him that is killed by his new better version yet he claimed it was such a wonderful cable just a few weeks ago.  :shock:
Now he is throwing it under the bus.

As you know, I like do the version I have very much and have been quite positive overall about my experience with it.

Have no idea how his new version is better in his opinion and there is no website or information about it anywhere.
Maybe he would wish to provide some information about it here.

Curious business model. I do not know what to make of it.
I do like the August 2007 version I have and will be keeping them.  :rofl:
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on September 20, 2007, 05:48:12 PM
I know where you're coming from Tony. We all want the feeling of having "the latest and greatest" to last more than one month.

I would rather get the latest and greatest idea fresh out of the artist's head than to have him sit on it for a year because of some arbitrary marketing scheme. If it changes again next month, I don't have a problem with that, because I auditioned what I bought and decided it was excellent at that moment. If my nervosa (nirvana ;) ) demands, I can always buy the newest version, it's not that expensive and he deserves to get paid for latest tweak. But I know my capitalist point of view is not always shared.  :D
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Bigfish8 on September 20, 2007, 06:25:15 PM
Guys:

Lets enjoy the Graphite Versions for 6 months and then try to persuade Grover to support another Group Buy! :)

Ken
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: LKdog on September 20, 2007, 06:35:31 PM
I think Carlman maybe suggested the idea of Grover having a few different versions with different characteristics. A Grover S I, SII, SII type thing.

One difficult thing, though, is that it is really hard to recommend his IC's as you would not have any idea what he is making at a particular time.

Oh well, Grover is certainly unique and I certainly can say that the product I have was worth the money.


 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Nick B on September 20, 2007, 09:49:39 PM
I understand the frustration. Mine aren't completely broken in either. But by now, I'm used to Grover's constant upgrades. For the money and level of performance, I can't gripe too much. I'm going to enjoy these for a while, just like Ken suggested
 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: rlmacklin on September 21, 2007, 07:25:32 AM
Grover e-mailed me yesterday that:

" ... progress in the RCA cable. It's a new design ... It's much better than the graphite cable. The new cable has a whole new carbon nickel shield, and is more expensive but so worth it.
I'm going to let anyone send in their older cable and upgrade to this Grover SC cable for $75.
The retail price of this new cable is $225.
It's alot harder to make with more expensive materials.
But the sound is so amazing... "
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: bobrex on September 21, 2007, 07:41:39 AM
Rich,

Grover has supported updates before - that's why I asked.  And it appears that will be the case again.  Grover has no web site and no retail presence, so I'm gonna guess that between us and the Hoffman site the majority of his supporters/ customers are covered.  I just wanted to get the word out here.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: mboldda1 on September 21, 2007, 08:31:28 AM
is this the upgrade price for any grover version or just upgrade from the graphite?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: grover on September 21, 2007, 09:21:53 AM
Guys, I'm always researching and developing. This new cable with the carbon nickel shield is wonderful. The graphite cable has not been discontinued it remains as before. The Grover SC cable is more expensive as the cost is greater and more labor intensive. Any of you that wishes to upgrade to the SC cable may send me either of the Group buy cables plus $75 (1 meter a little more on longer lengths) to cover the additional cost. This offer is opened ended. I have great news, after years of fighting I finally received my Patent.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: bpape on September 21, 2007, 09:37:39 AM
Congrats.    Now maybe we can see some of the magic behind the design.

Bryan
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: bobrex on September 21, 2007, 11:18:10 AM
Grover,

Congrats on the patent, it's about time. 

So how does this new shield affect flexibility?  And for that matter, are the conductors is the graphte the same as in the white?  The graphites seem a little more flexible than the whites.

Thanks for the upgrade offer, I'll probably take you up on it.  How much more for 2 and 3m cables?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: jrebman on September 21, 2007, 11:52:12 AM
Grover,

Congratulations on getting te patent!  Can you tell me the upgrade cost for a 1.5 meter pair?

Will this effect the speaker cables at all?

Thanks,

Jim
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on September 21, 2007, 12:04:12 PM
The upgrade offer is awesome. I'm glad it's not free, that would destroy any profit you made on the group buy. Congrats on the patent. That is great news!!!
Rich

Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on September 21, 2007, 02:33:00 PM
The upgrade offer is awesome. I'm glad it's not free, that would destroy any profit you made on the group buy. Congrats on the patent. That is great news!!!
Rich


Ditto. Great upgrade path, and glad I didn't sell off my previous ICs yet, looks like I'll be needing them while a couple pairs of graphites get upgraded. Hard to believe the new ICs are better; then again, I was astonished what the graphite version could do, esp. for the group buy price.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: LKdog on September 21, 2007, 02:48:24 PM
Guys, I'm always researching and developing. This new cable with the carbon nickel shield is wonderful. The graphite cable has not been discontinued it remains as before. The Grover SC cable is more expensive as the cost is greater and more labor intensive. Any of you that wishes to upgrade to the SC cable may send me either of the Group buy cables plus $75 (1 meter a little more on longer lengths) to cover the additional cost. This offer is opened ended. I have great news, after years of fighting I finally received my Patent.

Interesting. How is it better in your opinion?
Has anyone done any listening tests of the two side by side besides you- and given their feedback?
What does it do that the graphite version does not do in your opinion?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: stereofool on September 21, 2007, 03:17:16 PM
Guys, I'm always researching and developing. This new cable with the carbon nickel shield is wonderful. The graphite cable has not been discontinued it remains as before. The Grover SC cable is more expensive as the cost is greater and more labor intensive. Any of you that wishes to upgrade to the SC cable may send me either of the Group buy cables plus $75 (1 meter a little more on longer lengths) to cover the additional cost. This offer is opened ended. I have great news, after years of fighting I finally received my Patent.

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Grover,

Once again you have made a VERY generous offer  :-P. I never have gotten around to sending any of my 'first group-buy' cables back...I appreciate this level of customer service (not always available out there is audioland  :().

Congrats on receiving the patent...I've heard that it can be a long and tedious process...it's nice that your persistence has paid off.

Again, thanks for all of the help you have given us!!!
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: dangerbird on September 22, 2007, 05:50:12 AM
Grover,Grover, Grover,,congrats on the patent,,,you are a patient man.Heck,, I'm still burning in my graphite's,,,,and enjoying it. Thanks for providing the opportunity to upgrade.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: mca on September 22, 2007, 09:30:05 AM
Does that mean we will be seeing a website soon?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: dangerbird on September 22, 2007, 11:25:05 AM
Does that mean we will be seeing a website soon?


Thats what I'm hoping for as well.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Bigfish8 on September 22, 2007, 04:06:01 PM
Grover:

Congratulations on the patent!

Would mind telling us what you hear as differences of your new ICs versus the Graphite Verison?

Thanks,

Ken
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Black Sand Cable on September 23, 2007, 07:59:52 AM
Guys, I'm always researching and developing. This new cable with the carbon nickel shield is wonderful. The graphite cable has not been discontinued it remains as before. The Grover SC cable is more expensive as the cost is greater and more labor intensive. Any of you that wishes to upgrade to the SC cable may send me either of the Group buy cables plus $75 (1 meter a little more on longer lengths) to cover the additional cost. This offer is opened ended. I have great news, after years of fighting I finally received my Patent.

Congrats on the patent!  :D

Just out of curiosity, what is your patent number and which version of your ic's does the patent apply to?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: rlmacklin on September 23, 2007, 10:07:41 AM
Latest post from the Steve Hoffman Forum Grover thread:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=47670&page=33
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Originally Posted by sberger 
Well, seems to be another upgrade in store. I emailed Grover this morning on the status of my order of "S" IC's, and he emailed me back the following:

Hi Sam, you're very lucky, I spent a while developing a new design that kills the graphite cable. I just made the special size cables in the SC version and sending them today

Sounds interesting, huh?


Got them today, and let just say, the change from what I had, which was his 1st edition "S" cables, is not subtle whatsover. This is out of the box, so to speak. It is really a very overused review technique, but the hell with it; I am hearing things on very familiar lp's that I have never heard before. This is really in your face stuff. My system is pretty much all tube based and geared towards vinyl, so it's very exciting to me. It will be interesting to hear from folks that do more ss/digital, because these new IC's are extremely resolving(no, not bright, resolving). This is the best my system has sounded. Incredible.
     
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Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: grover on September 23, 2007, 04:26:36 PM
Hi everyone, I actually developed the Carbon Nickel shield a while back for my Phono cable. With that minimal signal the shield is so extremely important. I seemed to me to try the shield in the graphite's, you would have thought I would have tried this already but I was satisfied with the copper shield in the graphite’s etc. Well I was wrong the Carbon Nickel shield is a whole New World. As it will become obvious when the cables are compared. I just received the patent claims allowance notification so there is no number yet. I have to pay the $1000 allowance and publication fee, then the patent will be published. As soon as I know the Patent Number I'll let you guys know. Yes there is going to be a website now.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: AcidJazz on September 23, 2007, 04:28:12 PM
Well, one man's resolving is another's bright.  :rofl:

Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: LKdog on September 24, 2007, 08:57:56 AM
Grover has stated that his reference system is an all tube preamp and tube amplifier setup.
May account for his voicing preference to some degree.

AcidJazz- How did your graphites turn out for you?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: AcidJazz on September 24, 2007, 12:39:13 PM
Grover has stated that his reference system is an all tube preamp and tube amplifier setup.
May account for his voicing preference to some degree.

AcidJazz- How did your graphites turn out for you?

So far, after some 200-300 hrs, I like them, they bettered my previous cables MAC AQ SS w.S bulletRCAs and the MAC Palladiums. I am getting more details in the mid and upper frequencies plus my mid bass sounds 'clearer'.
My system sounds less warm than before...I am running Tempest pre with tube amp.
I haven't touched my speaker adjustment levels, there I always have the option of rolling back the mid and tweeter.
Now if the new SC version is all its claimed...that would be another jump for me in the quality of my sound.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on September 27, 2007, 02:10:44 PM
Have decided to hold off for now on upgrading the latest group buy, graphite ICs to the SC version. However, I'm interested in the impressions of any graphite IC owners who go for the SC upgrade. In advance, thanks.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on September 27, 2007, 07:59:06 PM
I will be upgrading from what was the latest to the latest.   Having upgraded over a few years, I have found that when Grover says the change is significant, I can trust his ears (and honesty).  And the upgrade cost has always been reasonable.  To me, Grover's cables are a tremendous value and I enjoy upgrading and listening to the differences, although I can understand while some might not enjoy the same process, especially if they are upgrading components and the like.   Also, I upgraded long before the group buy, so I have had quite a while to enjoy the almost-latest cables. 

 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: BillC on September 27, 2007, 08:42:59 PM
Today I sent out my "old" Grover S interconnects (RCA, 1.0m and 1.5m) to Grover for upgrade to the SC version.  I have a fairly electrically-noisy equipment area, so having improved shielding seemed like a good idea. 

I have to say that I miss the "old" S cables already...
I dropped Grover an email tonight letting him know they were coming, and below was his reply:

Quote
You won't be disappointed with the SC cable it's amazing. Best Regards, Grover

Grover has provided reliable guidance so far, so I am very much looking forward to the new cables. I probably should have upgraded one pair at a time so I could compare them, but packing equipment up for shipping is troublesome enough without having to do it twice... :roll:

I will report on the new cables when they arrive.

Bill
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: AcidJazz on September 27, 2007, 09:58:11 PM
I am also upgrading an 'extra' pair I had from the second group buy...so I will have both the SG and SC versions on hand to compare...sometime soon.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: dangerbird on September 28, 2007, 07:41:58 AM
Have decided to hold off for now on upgrading the latest group buy, graphite ICs to the SC version. However, I'm interested in the impressions of any graphite IC owners who go for the SC upgrade. In advance, thanks.

Me too,
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: mdconnelly on September 28, 2007, 11:03:12 AM
Ditto here... waiting for SC versions of my RCA and XLR ICs purchased in the group buy.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on September 29, 2007, 03:15:59 PM
I have to say that I miss the "old" S cables already...
Bill
That's what I'm trying to avoid with the graphites, missing what's so good at the moment - my system never sounded so good. With a new GF, it's nice to have the Gover ICs in play.  8)
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: mdconnelly on October 10, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
Hmmm, things kinda quiet on the Grover front these days.... anyone get their 'SC' version ICs from Grover yet?   Hopefully I'll be getting mine soon but just wondered what the take is on them.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: jrebman on October 10, 2007, 01:44:16 PM
It'll be interesting to hear what folks say.  I'm planning on sending my two graphites back, plus getting another 2 pair -- which means that I like them so they will be on all sources on both systems.

I read his patent the other day -- really interesting.  Obviously strays from conventional wisdom in at least one important way, but also a prime example of out-of-box thinking -- I like that :-).

-- Jim
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on October 10, 2007, 04:36:56 PM
There is an older patent, but the newer one I don't think is published yet, unless you have an inside line? ;)
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: jrebman on October 10, 2007, 05:14:37 PM
Rich,

I thought the date I saw was something like August 18th of this year, but I could be wrong.  I was just googling to see if I could find a web site yet and came across it.

-- Jim
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on October 10, 2007, 06:00:01 PM
Oh, that's cool. I looked for it about 2 months ago and found an older one. If you come across the link again, I would love to read it!!
Thanks
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: jrebman on October 10, 2007, 06:17:05 PM
Rich,

My bad -- just went back and looked and it said August 2006.  Guess that's the old one.  It's still interesting though :-).

-- Jim
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on October 10, 2007, 06:45:01 PM
Yup, I'm looking fwd to reading the new too. Good stuff
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: indelibo on October 11, 2007, 12:03:52 PM
Sent in the cables Oct 3 and got the SCs today.  Black is back!
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shaizada on October 15, 2007, 09:18:35 PM
Does anyone have pictures they can share of these latest cables from Grover?

Thanks!

Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Bigfish8 on October 16, 2007, 05:02:12 AM
Guys:

I would like to know if anyone has evaluated the latest Grover's versus the Graphites?  If so what changes in sound qualitites were realized?

Thanks,

Ken
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: mdconnelly on October 16, 2007, 05:19:36 AM
Got my new SC XLR and RCA interconnects from Grover yesterday... They are approximately the same size/thickness as the previous ICs but black instead of graphite.   Might be able to get a picture tonight.   Probably won't have time to critically listen until this weekend however.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: BillC on October 20, 2007, 09:58:11 AM
I received my new Grover SC Interconnects in the mail today. One set of 1.0 m RCA's, one set of 1.5 m.  The cable jacket is black, not graphite.  I connected the 1 m pair, and ran them tonight.  Very similar to the S's upon install: tipped up treble, not yet balanced, but extraordinarily clear.  The big early difference is a "blacker" background.  It seems to be a quieter cable, per the improved shielding.  The SC's do not sound bad for day one; realizing the old pair took over 100 hrs to break in.  One has to be patient with these cables.  A few photos are posted in my Gallery (click on the camera icon to the left of this message).
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: mdconnelly on October 20, 2007, 12:31:52 PM
Mine are still breaking in but my initial comments pretty much echo Bill's.    Here's what I can say after just a couple days of break-in and a couple hours of critical listening last night...

The 'SC's are very much the same character as the 'S' cables - exceptional detail and clarity presented in an extended and well-defined soundstage.   But, right from the start I got the sense of a slightly more relaxed, refined presentation.  Bill's comment on a blacker background is right on the money.   Yet, they retain all the detail, extension and transparency of the 'S' cables.  

One more thing although I'm not quite sure if this is a difference or just something I became more aware of last night... the transparency and harmonic decay with these ICs is just amazing resulting in a wonderful sense of venue where called for.   I thought I heard it more in the SCs but when I switched back, it was still totally there.

Very nice job, Grover.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: AcidJazz on October 20, 2007, 08:16:43 PM
I am still awaiting my pairs... :-|
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: AcidJazz on October 28, 2007, 11:29:34 PM
Got my cables last Thursday...finally put them in late last night...WTF!
Initial impressions are very positive...lets see how it evolves as the week progresses.
 :arrow:
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on October 29, 2007, 06:44:32 PM
AcidJazz,

I didn't listen to the SCs until about 40 hours.  Didn't sound bad but the midrange was out of balance until more than 100 hours.   It seemed that the break in was from the bass upwards, so to speak.  Seemed like the cables were similar to the S v2 until after 100 hours, at which time they became much better than the S v2.

What I'm enjoying most in my system is the tone, especially for vocals, and the added weight/body for instruments.    Great stuff.



Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on October 30, 2007, 02:11:21 PM
Thanks for all who posted regarding their respective impressions of the latest iteration of Grover's ICs.

I note I purchased an IsoTek System Enhancer CD to use on my various systems and it works as recorded by Srajan in the 6moons review. Y'all might want to contemplate speeding up your burn-in process via the IsoTek disc.

Peace, and thanks again for the impressions.

_ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _

Just ordered the upgraded, SC version. Will use the above-mentioned IsoTek disc for burn-in and look forward to getting the SCs fully churning in record time. Thanks to Grover for a speedy reply, wicked good guy with whom to deal.  :beer:

reason for edit: added info below the line.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on November 21, 2007, 12:29:15 PM
just recieved my new Grover SC's. Was going to ask how long a break-in but saw my question answered.
Boy are they a pig to plug in! no way I'm going to unplug them...further impressions to come after the 100hr mark.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: BillC on November 21, 2007, 11:00:23 PM
shep,

100 hours gets you most of the way there, but not all the way...

I found that this cable seemed to burn in faster than the S (graphite), but perhaps that happens because you can hear more earlier due to the lower noise floor.

I found that after about 40 hours I heard significant evolution, and after about 120 hours the SC's were mostly burned in.  But -- I hear a very subtle settling in continuing after about 250+ hours of use.

The good news is you get most of the benefit pretty early, and the almost-as-good news is that they keep getting better for a long time.  I am estimating full burn-in at about 300-400 hours.  Which is not surprising for teflon in some situations. 

Enjoy the tunes !   Let us know what you think about what you hear.   :D

Bill C
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Nick B on November 22, 2007, 09:31:01 AM
just recieved my new Grover SC's. Was going to ask how long a break-in but saw my question answered.
Boy are they a pig to plug in! no way I'm going to unplug them...further impressions to come after the 100hr mark.

Shep
What do you mean about plugging them in? Too tight??I am going to upgrade soon, but the RCA's on my current Grovers are a bit large for the connectors on the back of my CIA D200's.
Nick
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: denjo on November 22, 2007, 03:50:52 PM
Nick

I think what Shep meant was that the Grover RCA plugs are very snug and will require some pressure before they can be installed on the pre or power RCA connectors. Likewise, taking them out involves quite an effort! You have to wiggle them from side to side, making sure you don't hold the interconnects by the "skin" or else the wires inside might snap or come undone. I have also found that the Grover RCAs are shorter than I am used to. Pushing them too deeply into the female RCA connectors sometimes causes hum, from my experience. But once the Grovers are in place, its a good fit which I am sure adds to the sonics.

Best Regards
Dennis
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Nick B on November 22, 2007, 10:33:50 PM
That's what I thought, Dennis. That'll be the opposite of the current fit I have now. I'll be ordering the new SC's soon. Too good a deal to pass up on Grover's generous exchange policy. 
Nick
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on November 23, 2007, 08:08:36 AM
Yes yes and yes. All of the above are true. I don't have the hum problem thank God. I guess the Vampire connections are the right size and depth. Very good observation about the improvement being from the bass upwards. Usually it's the treble that sounds horrible at first. 400hrs break-in??? groan...and I thought burning in op-amps was bad. Please Grover don't change anything for a long while. I really can't deal with anymore run-in. It seems that's all I do. Just for the record, the T-amp M. Mardis sent me (his last amp. before he quit I think) really is coming together now) The new cables completely transformed it, that and running the newly tweaked cdp non-stop. I can't wait (this is now 4 months!) to get the REAL amp. he's making for me.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on November 26, 2007, 09:18:32 AM
Thoughts: this burn in on the Grover cables is sure strange! The bass seems to be totally disconnected from the rest, as if it were coming out of a seperate recording or another venue. A bit muddled. No doubt this too will pass!
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on November 26, 2007, 09:20:58 AM
The IsoTek CD has made any prolonged burn-in obsolete for me. YMMV.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on November 26, 2007, 04:44:31 PM
Interesting finding about the Isotek disk.  I tried the Isotek after I had burned in the cable for about 150 hours with music so I'm not sure what difference it made. 

Seemed like 100 - 120 hours were needed to sound balanced and the sound was smoother still at 150 hours or so.  I lost track of how many hours it has now (170?) but I wonder if it will improve further.   

Personally, I prefer burning in cables with the amp off, because it drives me crazy otherwise. 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: rollo on November 28, 2007, 07:00:25 AM
Phil,
           Its not required to have the entire system running when breaking in a cable. Place between CDP and Pre with Pre turned off. The Pre acts as a dead load. I bought a $40 CDP for burn in purposes so I can save my NOS tubes from the break in mode.

rollo
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on November 28, 2007, 06:47:03 PM
Thanks, Rollo.  That is what I do too.  I didn't write it very clearly.  Besides not wasting tubes, I like to pop in the burned in cables without listening to them prior to burn in so that I don't get accustomed to the difference over time.   

I just get tired of the whole burn in thing. 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: jrebman on November 28, 2007, 07:05:00 PM
Amen to that!  In fact, at this point, with my system approaching something like stability, the thought of burn-in is going to weigh much more heavily on any possible gear swap decisions.

Got my graphites boxed up today and they'll be on the way to Grover tomorrow, and if they end up anything close to what you guys are describing, there'll be some orders for a few more for finishing out the first system, and the second one as well, coming in the new year.

I really want to be done with swapping interconnects and speaker cables, and at least as far as the ICs go, these leave me feeling as if I'm not missing anything.

While the cables are out, I'll be substituting some DIY Belden wire with  Cardas RCAs, so we'll see how that goes.

-- Jim
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on November 29, 2007, 03:40:44 AM
I really want to be done with swapping interconnects and speaker cables, and at least as far as the ICs go, these leave me feeling as if I'm not missing anything.
-- Jim
Amen to the above. I'm hopefully done with "IC roulette" now. Speaker cables - I'm amenable to considering a post-holiday Grover Group Buy, depending on price, etc.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: jrebman on November 29, 2007, 03:22:32 PM
Urgent request:

Can somebody PM me with Grover's phone number?  The fedex online  system requires a phone number and I don't have it.

Trying to get this thing out the door today.

Thanks,

Jim
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: jrebman on November 30, 2007, 03:03:09 PM
Thanks, Rich, Carl, and DU if you're reading.  Got the number today from Grover himself.

Package is on the way.

-- Jim
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on November 30, 2007, 07:58:09 PM
Great! Lookin fwd to your comments. Everybody seems to like them yet again, another positive improvement. I expect nothing less from Grover. But I don't know how he can continue like this forever! Better and better. I have 5 pairs total, but I like them well enough as they are! Might send in my white S's.
Rich
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: dangerbird on December 02, 2007, 03:41:59 AM
Okay Guy's,, I'm dumb and slow,,,so as I understand it, the newer iteration of Grovers cables seems to be impressive. I participated in the last group buy(Graphite's) and to me they seem a "tad" bright compared to the "white" version.I've read and re-read this thread(I'm easily confused  :?)so, are the newer cables a little less bright and more refined/smoother? I'm not sure,at this point if I should go for the upgrade,or go back to the whites.I sure hope this makes sense to someone. Thanks in advance.

Eh,, nevermind,, I think that I found my answer in one of Rich's previous posts,,upgrade it is.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on December 02, 2007, 08:46:35 AM
I have not heard the new SCs at all, so I know nada, just compiling other people's information and experiences. It is tempting!
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Bunky on December 02, 2007, 10:54:10 AM
I have procrastinated for a while, but after the Holidays i fully intend to send both of my pairs of Graphites to Grover for upgrade to the SC configuration :beer: thanks.....WCW III
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on December 02, 2007, 01:20:40 PM
Dangerbird,

I've had a hard time getting a handle on the highs.  With a cable this transparent, the differences in recordings become more apparent.  Some discs, mostly older ones, have more HF energy than I would like (although, with the exception of old DDD recordings, even these sound OK in my system), but then I put on another disc and the HF is perfect.  A different disc might have somewhat recessed HF. 

As I get closer to hearing what I believe is on the disc, I sometimes wish for that elusive magic dial that I can turn to make it sound the way I want.  Ok, maybe my audiophile membership would be revoked, but I'd enjoy every disc. 

Phil
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on December 03, 2007, 02:36:06 AM
100 hours and still changing; Hey where can I get this IsoTek cd? anyone got a spare one to sell?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on December 03, 2007, 12:25:05 PM
Shep,

http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=15651   I purchased my Isotek disc from acoustic sounds. 

Phil
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: BillC on December 03, 2007, 09:12:52 PM
Shep,

At 100 hours you should be getting very close on the Grover SC's.  Do you like what you are hearing? 

My SC's have gone about 200-250 hours and they sound increasingly stable.  They are still evolving very very slowly, but almost imperceptibly at this point.  The extraordinarily quiet background continues to be the big difference to me.  But the blacker background creates all sorts of corollary improvements.  It allows more midrange, and all ranges, through more clearly. The bass and treble sonics are pretty close to before, but the treble sounds less edgy.  Again, my sense is that the sound is cleaner overall, without having artificial definition.  The high/mid/low balance also seems better than the S cable. 

I am really enjoying this interconnect.  And the value/cost ratio is astonishing. 

So I am not sure that the burn-in CD will advance you further very quickly.  The evolution of this cable slowed notably after about 120 hours, for me.  But I anticipate evolution to continue.  That would NOT stop me from putting them into service, the way that the sub-60 hour sonics would have.

Teflon takes forever to reach full equilibrium, from my experience.  OK, maybe not forever, but dang close !

Bill C.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on December 04, 2007, 02:37:25 AM
Thanks for the address. Yes the cables are still changing, they took quite a leap around the 100hr mark. I am expecting further changes. Indeed great value for money. I have learned, to my cost, to wait and wait some more. (I was thinking of the cd disk for reballancing the rest of the system, not so much the cables.) anyway
I am awaiting my new amp, son one of this is definative! cheers
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on December 07, 2007, 08:54:19 AM
Am I all alone :( Anyway after the 100hr mark, things seem to be getting better and better..more air, more ease, better integration of bass. Often abused words; sound-stage is not there yet for me in depth. Colours (you figure that one out!) are outstanding, as is pace, timing. More attack than decay (which contributes to a rather truncated treatment of depth). Grain is fast disappearing. Treble is not as silky and extended as I would like, yet. Still more tecnical than musical. Iexpect further changes around the 200hr mark, when my opamps have broken in totally. phew!
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on December 18, 2007, 05:58:19 AM
Am I all alone???? come on guys a little feedback! Anyway, past the 150hr mark and seems to have pretty much settled. My verdict? This is a very good cable for the money. It's clean, grainless, fast and musical.
I find it too forward for my taste, but that could have to do with other factors like the room. I miss information from the back, it's very in your face presentation, a bit two dimensional. If you have another experience, please don't hesitate to share it. This is only one man's system talking.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Carlman on December 18, 2007, 06:50:51 AM
Well, Shep... I'm looking forward to having a controlled environment in which to do comparisons... but it won't be until the Spring... I'm getting the basement ready for walls now.  Until then I don't have a system worthy of making meaningful comparisons. :(  I have 3 systems running but they're all 'just ok' and mostly for background enjoyment.  Good news is I can keep the cables burned in during all of this. 

Grover was sending me the upgraded cables at one point but I haven't heard or seen anything yet.  But if I do I plan to lend them out so others can hear the latest.

-C
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on December 18, 2007, 01:54:21 PM
I am very happy with my whiteys and graphites. I bet that the SC will be even more transparent and hopefully eliminate the ringiness of mine. Comments here seem to suggest less ring, and quieter. I hope to have the chance to hear them sometime. But I'm not upgrading what I have, it's too good a value.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: AcidJazz on December 18, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Well I have had my Sc's for over a month now(maybe 400+hours?), all I can say is that  from the get-go, the new cables sounded better balanced than the graphites(previous version)...now I can report that they have smoother midrange and extended detailed highs, none of the drawbacks of the previous cable of which I still have 2 pairs. Of course I have not done a A/B immediate comparison, so its just my extended listening experience I am drawing from.
Overall the new Sc cables are superior....at least in my system. Was worth the money to upgrade, imo.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on December 20, 2007, 02:36:33 AM
maybe they need still more time? I never heard any ringing but then I didn't have the previous pair very long.
I still find a discontinuity between the bass and the midrange. The mid is more present and projected than the bottom end. BUT I am more than willing to admit this has something perhaps to do with placement and room acoustics.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on December 20, 2007, 02:57:12 AM
Thanks AcidJazz. Maybe I'll try an upgrade sooner.

Shep, the ringing is extremely subtle, much less so than popular copper wires that use ringing to advantage. I only noticed it on direct comparison to a wire costing about 6 times more that is dead quiet. It doesn't bother me at all in real world listening, I never notice it. But I remember the feeling of no ringing in comparison, and I liked it.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on December 20, 2007, 06:45:20 PM
Shep,

I had the same problem of a too forward mid-range for quite some time.  I didn't keep close track of the time, but after about 170 hours I started to use the Isotek 12 hours per day for a few days.  I'm not sure if it was the result of the Isotek or whether the cable just needed more time, but the mid-range became part of the rest of the spectrum.   

Rich,
The ringing I heard with the previous cable was only on the highest frequency piano notes.  It did drive me a bit crazy eventually  :lol:.  I don't hear that with the SCs.  YMMV.

Phil
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on December 20, 2007, 07:14:45 PM
Phil, thanks for corroborating my experience with your own. I was starting to think I was imagining it!  I still love my older versions, but am becoming more temped to upgrade, the longer this thread carries on!!

That isotek disk is also really getting a reputation. Now that's a cool idea for a stocking stuffer, or maybe a group buy?? haha
Rich
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on December 21, 2007, 03:22:36 AM
Thanks Phil, I don't want to winge or imagine things and put others off! It's good to have confirmation of what I hear. This ringing is a new factor. I don't think I've ever heard it mentioned before...where have I been? In the boondocks for sure. It's funny but 200 hours seems to be a turning point for numerous componants. I'm thinking especially of the op-amps I changed out in the cdp and various caps.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on December 21, 2007, 03:20:54 PM
That isotek disk is also really getting a reputation. Now that's a cool idea for a stocking stuffer, or maybe a group buy?? haha
Rich
A well deserved reputation, from my experience. That's a nice idea re: stocking stuffer.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Rocket on December 24, 2007, 02:45:41 AM
Hi Guys,

Does Grover have a website?

Regards

Rod
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on December 24, 2007, 05:21:39 AM
Hi Guys,

Does Grover have a website?

Regards

Rod
No, he doesn't at this time.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on December 24, 2007, 12:30:38 PM
Rod,

For more information you might want to check out this thread:  http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=47670&page=35&highlight=Grover+Huffman

A very long one.  You might want to start at the end and work backwards.  Some pics too.

I know you love transparency and the SC interconnects give that is spades. 

Phil 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Phil on December 24, 2007, 12:35:31 PM
Rich,

Well temptation is what this site is all about.  That said, I'm always cautious about suggesting gear when someone has reached a balance they find pleasing.  As we know, one change can start a chain reaction.

Hope you and all the folks here have a great holiday.  I've got the Handel's Messiah ready.  I'm gonna blast the thing at near real levels tomorrow.

Isn't that what all holidays are about?  Great music?

Phil







Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on December 24, 2007, 04:09:12 PM
We have Messiah blasting on the radio right now, good stuff!!

I am nowhere near balanced, and plan to avoid it forever, if at all possible... hehe

Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Ray Bronk on January 11, 2008, 08:43:41 AM
We have Messiah blasting on the radio right now, good stuff!!

I am nowhere near balanced, and plan to avoid it forever, if at all possible... hehe



I got an email from Grover, where he says his latest cables have better bass, and are a little more dynamic. I have a pair of SC, which I have had for a couple of months now. Looks like he is pretty busy right now, just keeping up with all of the orders.

Ray
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on January 11, 2008, 01:45:49 PM
I got an email from Grover, where he says his latest cables have better bass, and are a little more dynamic. I have a pair of SC, which I have had for a couple of months now. Looks like he is pretty busy right now, just keeping up with all of the orders.

Ray
Ray,

Your writing is  unclear to me. Are you saying: 1) Grover's latest ICs are the SCs, which you have, or 2) you have the SCs, but Grover has a new iteration? In advance, thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: dangerbird on January 11, 2008, 02:56:38 PM
I just got off the phone with a friend who originally turned me on to the grovers,,this is my understanding;Grover has a new version of IC's (since the graphite group buy),that is somwhat more detailed and has a blacker background.He also has a power cable now. Roger(my friend,and also a member here) is sold on the newer IC's vs the white's,which I thought were pretty good.
Well, I just reread this,,so I hope that it makes sense to someone,,to recap,, NEWER IC's (black with different shielding than the graphites) New Power Cable..  :duh
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on January 11, 2008, 03:29:35 PM
Yup, they are called the SC version, with carbon something shield. Glad to hear about the power cord too, cool!
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on January 11, 2008, 05:38:27 PM
Ok, I was thrown for a moment. I previously upgraded the Group Buy graphites to the SCs, and was wondering if they were already obsolete, due to the wording of Ray Bronk's post. Alles Klar, Kommissar!
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: rlmacklin on January 12, 2008, 03:08:05 PM
Grover SCs (in black) are his latest ICs - with carbon-nickel shielding (first used in Grover's phono cables).
More transparent/blacker background than white Grover S which I have - Grover SC lets through even more detail but no trace of grain or edginess to my ears in my system - natural and relaxed sonics similar to white Grover S
(unlike others' descriptions of Grover charcoal/graphites as more detailed than white Grover S but with a touch of detectable "edge" or "grain").  I have not heard or had charcaol/graphite Grover S, but "leapfrogged" them.

Grover sent me his new power cord (also labeled "Grover SC") and he suggested to use on main preamp, but I do not know for sure whether the power cord incorporates the carbon-nickel shielding, but would guess that it does because of the similar version designation as the latest ICs (which have that shielding).

I have to run over to Emmylou Harris, Patty Griffin, Shawn Colvin, Buddy Miller ["3 Girls and their Buddy"] concert shortly, so will try to post more re the SC ICs and power cord later.

The "Grover SC" power cord has same terminations as standard Black Sand Cable Violet Z1 which I also have and can compare to (later this weekend perhaps?)...

rlmacklin
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: mboldda1 on January 13, 2008, 10:47:30 AM
what's grover's asking price for his power cord?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on January 17, 2008, 10:05:53 AM
Miss me?  :roll: Welllll...about 300 hours of burn in should do it right? Ok then; sysytem dependant of course.
Nice cable. transparent, fast, doesn't call attention to any end of the spectrum. Harmonically well pitched
( I made that up!) Seriously though, a great buy. Not the last word in sound-staging capacity, not as "meaty" as some, not very exciting but something you can live with without asking the perpetual questions.
I would like to hear this on a more revealing top-notch system than mine to be sure. There's something missing, I don't know what or of it is...maybe between my ears? (a brain!!!) Maybe I'm hearing the audio "truth" and I don't know it? At the moment I'm obsessing about a tiny laptop from Asus that's just on the market (for 400$) I've ordered one from NY, to be hand delivered soon. Forgoing the FRench keyboard...well when a guy has to buy, he's not going to wait, right? Right. Cheers all. Hope everyone is well. >From wet yucky France.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on January 17, 2008, 10:32:04 AM
Glad to see you shep! Thanks for the Grover SC review. 300 hours should be long enough, but sounds like you're still deciding if you like it.

Hopefully with your new laptop we will see a lot more of you ....

Winter here too... 30s rainy. Sucks.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on January 17, 2008, 10:56:10 AM
Winter here too... 30s rainy. Sucks.
this made me laugh, was 3 degrees in Concord NH after I took my pre-work hour walk. Ha ha, 30s is spring weather here! :rofl:
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: rlmacklin on January 17, 2008, 02:07:29 PM
I am trying to burn in the Grover SC ICs a bit faster by running
the IsoTek Full System Enhancer CD when I am not listening to my music.
 
I currently have the Grover SC power cord (appears to have same Marinco/Wattgate ends
as standard Black Sand Violet) on my Modwright tubed linestage and it is burning-in.

Grover confirmed to me that his "SC" power cord does have "heavy carbon-nickel shielding."
 
I now plan to hold off any comparisons of power cords until
the Grover SC ICs are sonically stabilized (completely burned-in), which also gives the Grover power cord time to burn in as well.
 
I definitely prefer Black Sand Violets with Oyaide P-004/C-004 terminations
which I had John Cook make me (over stock Violets using the same Marinco/Wattgate ends
as appear to be on the Grover SC power cord).
 
I ordered a set of cryoed Oyaide P-004/C-004 and had those shipped to Grover
and he will make me another Grover SC power cord with those Oyaide terminations.
That is the configuration I really want to hear (and compare with similarly terminated Violets).
So I hope to soon have two versions of Grover SC power cord, which I can compare to two versions of similarly terminated Violets. This should be better basis for comparison/contrast.

rlmacklin
 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on January 17, 2008, 02:15:34 PM
Winter here too... 30s rainy. Sucks.
this made me laugh, was 3 degrees in Concord NH after I took my pre-work hour walk. Ha ha, 30s is spring weather here! :rofl:

I grew up in MA, so I paid my dues, don't worry. I guess I didn't move far enough south. haha
Thanks Dave

Wow rlmackin, you are really goin for it! Sounds fun!!
Rich
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: HumanMedia on January 17, 2008, 03:41:52 PM
I have a pair of S2 Grovers with XLRs (or is it SB? - anyway the second S release) and my experience was that they took about 700 hours to break in.  Sure the majority of change took place before 350 hours, but there were a few little spots in the frequency range which sounded distorted, yes like real breakthrough distortion.  These spots slowly evaporated through to 700 hours leaving a clean sounding cable which I like very much.  But for me, it did take this long to be fully broken-in.

All this talk of the SC has me interested in upgrading and Im very interested in more opinions of how the SC compare to the previous S2/B (but not the initial S). Especially those who have broken in the SC for 700 hours or more. Ive read the thread so far but would love to hear more impressions an comparisons with the S2/B.



Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Black Sand Cable on January 17, 2008, 05:57:04 PM
So Grover has gone into the power cord market now.

Interesting.....and at the same time, somewhat disappointing.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Carlman on January 17, 2008, 06:36:03 PM
Cords is cords, right?  If you can make a good IC why not make a good PC out of the same stuff?    :rofl:
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on January 17, 2008, 07:14:38 PM
So Grover has gone into the power cord market now.

Interesting.....and at the same time, somewhat disappointing.

What might be registering as disappointment?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Black Sand Cable on January 17, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
Quote
What might be registering as disappointment?

It's not worth discussing.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: shep on January 18, 2008, 03:02:44 AM
700 hours! OH NO :shock: :shock: :shock:
spare me please.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on January 18, 2008, 08:00:18 AM
Welcome to AN Human Media! You're already bringing an eye opening perspective. Keep it coming!
Rich
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: rollo on January 20, 2008, 08:38:28 AM
  well, finally heard a black sand Powercord. The Violet. Well done. it was put up against a new cable costing $1500. The BS cord sounded better overall. Now a believer. Good cable good value.
      Speaking of carbon shielding its expensive, tough to work with however very very affective. My guess would be the shield is floated at one end [ source ]. An option of floating the entire shield with drain wire to earth ground might work well. It does for me.


rollo 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Black Sand Cable on January 23, 2008, 03:58:22 PM
I have a pair of S2 Grovers with XLRs (or is it SB? - anyway the second S release) and my experience was that they took about 700 hours to break in.  Sure the majority of change took place before 350 hours, but there were a few little spots in the frequency range which sounded distorted, yes like real breakthrough distortion.  These spots slowly evaporated through to 700 hours leaving a clean sounding cable which I like very much.  But for me, it did take this long to be fully broken-in.

All this talk of the SC has me interested in upgrading and Im very interested in more opinions of how the SC compare to the previous S2/B (but not the initial S). Especially those who have broken in the SC for 700 hours or more. Ive read the thread so far but would love to hear more impressions an comparisons with the S2/B.


Carl?
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: Carlman on January 23, 2008, 04:33:04 PM
Funny enough, I JUST got a new pair of the 'SC' version IC's in the mail.  Let me first say that 'SC' is the most annoying nomenclature for an 'IC' I've ever seen.  Every time I see it/read about it, I'm thinking 'speaker cable'...  :lol:

So far, that's my only complaint.  700 hours is 'only' a full month of continuous use and hopefully I'll get to evaluate the S vs. SC prior to that.  I have the white/white version and the graphites as well.  When the basement is finished, I can somewhat scientifically compare these.

-C
Title: Current prices for Grover's SC IC and power cables
Post by: rlmacklin on January 27, 2008, 07:21:57 PM
Current prices for Grover's SC IC and power cables he posted at the Steve Hoffman Forum site:


http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=47670&page=35

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Hi guys, the power cords are new. They use my patented design http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/7304246 and have my unique Carbon Nickel shield. They perform on the level of my IC's, very open and clear. Here's a revised list of prices. Mention Steve's forum and a 15% discount is automatically applied.

Grover SC cables

Length.................RCA.........XLR.… ..Digital RCA
.5m....................$180........$200. .......$75
1m.....................$200........$230. .......$90
1.5m..................$220........$260.. ......$105
2m.....................$240........$290. .......$120
2.5m..................$260........$320.. ......$135
3m.....................$280........$350. .......$150


Power cords with standard connectors
3ft………………$250
6ft………………$300
9ft………………$350
Other connectors available for extra cost.

You'll notice the prices are higher than a few years ago, this is because the old cables were not shielded and the new cables have my hand made carbon nickel shield. This is a labor intensive process, but the performance of this shield is amazing.
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grover 
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: richidoo on January 28, 2008, 06:18:00 AM
Thanks rlmacklin, that is very helpful! Full list price for 1M RCA was $150 during the last GB days.
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: HumanMedia on January 30, 2008, 05:01:53 AM
Carl?

Yep the same.

...now waiting for the Grover SC upgrade (and my new Violet ;-) to arrive...
Title: Re: New Grover ICs??
Post by: djbnh on February 19, 2008, 07:36:36 PM
Thanks rlmacklin, that is very helpful! Full list price for 1M RCA was $150 during the last GB days.
Yes, the above affirms what a positive asset an AN group buy may be for interested parties.