AudioNervosa
Systemic Development => Analog Devices => Topic started by: Jack in Wilmington on August 18, 2018, 10:03:08 AM
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Well the new Music Hall 9.3 is up and running. A couple little glitches but on the whole not too bad. I like some of the upgrades over my previous Music Hall tables. The spikes that go on the bottom is a nice touch and the little discs they sit on keeps the surface from being scratched up. Taking the motor and decoupling it from the plinth is a big advantage when trying to keep down surface noise. Here are a few pictures.
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Jack,
Nice table and upgrade ideas. What was the cost and what cart are you using?
Nick
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Jack,
Nice table and upgrade ideas. What was the cost and what cart are you using?
Nick
It came with the Goldring Eroica LX cartridge, which was a big jump for me coming from a MM cartridge. It ran $2695 in the walnut and $2395 in piano black.
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very nice, I almost ended up with that table but a used VPI fell in my lap. I would be interested to know how it would compare to a Classic II. Enjoy it is a beauty!
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Hope it sounds as good as it looks. :D
Enjoy!
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I just ordered a Okki Nokki record cleaning machine, so I'm hoping the sound of clean vinyl will complete the picture.
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very nice, I almost ended up with that table but a used VPI fell in my lap. I would be interested to know how it would compare to a Classic II. Enjoy it is a beauty!
I found a beauty of a VPI Scoutmaster on Audiogon when I was looking, but it was gone right before I contacted the seller.
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J.J. Cale – Troubadour
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I found a beauty of a VPI Scoutmaster on Audiogon when I was looking, but it was gone right before I contacted the seller.
I have a Super Scoutmaster and am just over the PA border in Oxford, maybe 45 minute drive.
We'll have to get together some time.
Welcome to AN.
Gene
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I just ordered a Okki Nokki record cleaning machine, so I'm hoping the sound of clean vinyl will complete the picture.
I have been happily using a VPI 16.5 machine since 1986.
Nothing hits my TT without getting cleaned first.
Well worth the time and effort. :thumb:
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I found a beauty of a VPI Scoutmaster on Audiogon when I was looking, but it was gone right before I contacted the seller.
I have a Super Scoutmaster and am just over the PA border in Oxford, maybe 45 minute drive.
We'll have to get together some time.
Welcome to AN.
Gene
Sounds like a plan Gene, I'd like that. I'm retired so I'm mostly free.
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Any thoughts about the sound to the new table.
What did you have before it and how does the new one compare?
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I had a Music Hall MMF 5.1 before this with a Goldring 1012GX MM cartridge. I had heard or read a while back on the differences between moving magnet and moving coil, that the coil weighs less than the magnet and therefore can reproduce the high notes better because it moves faster. After listening to this turntable for a week, I can concur. I'm hearing notes that I'd never heard before. The bass is no longer six feet back in the soundstage, it's upfront and powerful. It's funny when I first got into having a stereo system back in the early 70's, it was all very sort of ho hum. You put together your system and you bought albums and played them. It was all very simple. Sometimes you would take a record off the table and toss it on the bed, so you could play the next one. It's not like that now, hopefully we can instill this sense of pride in todays young audiophile.
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Hopefully the hobby can generate enough young audiophile period to keep it going into the future as us old geezers start to drop out.
Even if the old guys aren't dying out, as the old time audiophiles start to reach retirement age they A) tend to move into smaller retirement homes and don't have as much space for toys as they once had, and B) don't have the disposable income they once had. So if this hobby is going to survive for any amount nof time it is going to have to find ways to attract younger folks who are ore likely to purchase equipment in volumes that are required to high end companies in business. If not the whole thing will just end up fizzling out
(This is probably a subject for another thread. I don't want to hijack this one.)
And back to the original subject, it sounds like the new table has brought some positive changes to your system.
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Well the new Music Hall 9.3 is up and running. A couple little glitches but on the whole not too bad. I like some of the upgrades over my previous Music Hall tables. The spikes that go on the bottom is a nice touch and the little discs they sit on keeps the surface from being scratched up. Taking the motor and decoupling it from the plinth is a big advantage when trying to keep down surface noise. Here are a few pictures.
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Hi Jack,
Looking at your pics, I have 2 suggestions to try out.
Try playing some records without the dust cover on.
Try putting something between the table and the glass shelf. If you happen to have a maple cutting board laying around that's large enough: Bingo!
Might help improve the sound, might not. If nothing else, it will feed the Nervosa.
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Nice pick up Paul, I did not notice the glass shelf.
Jack I have to agree with Paul.I think a maple cutting board under the TT would be of help to you. I had n=my VPI HW-19 Mk IV sitting on a hard surface at one point (A piece of slate that was an inlay to a table we were getting rid of) and I bought my wife a new 2" thick Maple butcher block got the kitchen. When it showed up my son said "Dad, are you going to give that to her without first trying it under the turntable?" I did, and it end up being a very fruitful exercise as the maple sounded noticeably better than the slate. I kept it under the TT and order another one for the kitchen. 8)
I am sure it will sound different. Whether it is better or not can only be decided by giving it a try. But you can probably find a large enough piece of maple butch block on the web for $50 - 75 so it wouldn't cost you too much to find out.
And if if doesn't improve the sound of your stereo you will have a nice present for your wife. 8)
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Well the new Music Hall 9.3 is up and running. A couple little glitches but on the whole not too bad. I like some of the upgrades over my previous Music Hall tables. The spikes that go on the bottom is a nice touch and the little discs they sit on keeps the surface from being scratched up. Taking the motor and decoupling it from the plinth is a big advantage when trying to keep down surface noise. Here are a few pictures.
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Hi Jack,
Looking at your pics, I have 2 suggestions to try out.
Try playing some records without the dust cover on.
Try putting something between the table and the glass shelf. If you happen to have a maple cutting board laying around that's large enough: Bingo!
Might help improve the sound, might not. If nothing else, it will feed the Nervosa.
Hey Paul, what are you doing posting after midnight.... that's my job. :lol:
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Hey Paul, what are you doing posting after midnight.... that's my job. :lol:
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Just getting started Tom. Maybe we should form a club, but I wouldn't want to join any club that would accept me as a member.
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I was going to try 3 of these under the legs.
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Herbies makes fine products. The most affective way is to make a sand box and use either Maple or Bamboo plinth resting in sand. If that is not feasible next best is plinth decoupled from surface below with Herbies or equal then decoupled again from plinth. Simple easy and very affective at keeping those bad vibrations from below out. Have fun trying.
charles
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Just picked up this maple cutting board to go between the turntable and the glass shelf.
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Just picked up this maple cutting board to go between the turntable and the glass shelf.
I used to have glass shelves, but never tried the cutting board. Pls post if there’s an improvement, and if so, what it is.
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Hey Nick,
I can hear the bass tightening up and becoming more full. On Tchaikovsky's 5th symphony I can hear instruments that were previously masked. The cellos have made an appearance and the piccolo too.
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Hey Nick,
I can hear the bass tightening up and becoming more full. On Tchaikovsky's 5th symphony I can hear instruments that were previously masked. The cellos have made an appearance and the piccolo too.
Jack,
If I get my rig running again, I’m going to use the sandbox and cutting board methodology
Nick
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Jack, let me pass on some advice that was given to me about maple butcher blocks.
When I first got mine my wife asked that I stain it to match the color of the cabinet it was going to be sitting on. I called the company I bought it from, told them what I wanted to do and asked if they put any kind coating on the wood that needed to be removed before I could stain it.
The tech support rep I spoke with said there was no problem staining the wood, but there was another issue I would need to deal with. When I butch block cutting board is used in a kitchen you are supposed to oil it about once a month. I always thought this was to keep it clean, but there is another reason I was not aware of. Over time the maple pieces will start to dry out and shrink, to the point where they start to separate. Therefore I was advised that if I was going to use the butcher block as a turntable base I needed to do one of two things, either A) remove the turntable once a month and apply a layer of oil to the butcher block, or B) put a layer of polyurethane over the stain to steal in the moisture and prevent to wood from drying and shrinking. I chose the poly. It has been two years since I sealed it and there are no gaps in the wood whatsoever. The on in the kitchen on the other hand is starting to show some minor separation because I am not a punctual as I should be in oiling that one (You cannot use poly on a cutting board tat is being used for food preparation.)
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Good advice. I'll get the polyurethane.
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Hey Nick,
I can hear the bass tightening up and becoming more full. On Tchaikovsky's 5th symphony I can hear instruments that were previously masked. The cellos have made an appearance and the piccolo too.
You're welcome.
Did you ever try playing the table with the dust cover off?
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Jack, let me pass on some advice that was given to me about maple butcher blocks.
The tech support rep I spoke with said there was no problem staining the wood, but there was another issue I would need to deal with. When I butch block cutting board is used in a kitchen you are supposed to oil it about once a month. I always thought this was to keep it clean, but there is another reason I was not aware of. Over time the maple pieces will start to dry out and shrink, to the point where they start to separate. Therefore I was advised that if I was going to use the butcher block as a turntable base I needed to do one of two things, either A) remove the turntable once a month and apply a layer of oil to the butcher block, or B) put a layer of polyurethane over the stain to steal in the moisture and prevent to wood from drying and shrinking. I chose the poly. It has been two years since I sealed it and there are no gaps in the wood whatsoever. The on in the kitchen on the other hand is starting to show some minor separation because I am not a punctual as I should be in oiling that one (You cannot use poly on a cutting board tat is being used for food preparation.)
I never finished my Boos cutting board and after 7 years, no splitting. Of course now that you've put the thought in my head, it'll probably split tomorrow. Damn you Mazz!
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Hey Nick,
I can hear the bass tightening up and becoming more full. On Tchaikovsky's 5th symphony I can hear instruments that were previously masked. The cellos have made an appearance and the piccolo too.
You're welcome.
Did you ever try playing the table with the dust cover off?
I did and didn't notice any difference.
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Jack, let me pass on some advice that was given to me about maple butcher blocks.
The tech support rep I spoke with said there was no problem staining the wood, but there was another issue I would need to deal with. When I butch block cutting board is used in a kitchen you are supposed to oil it about once a month. I always thought this was to keep it clean, but there is another reason I was not aware of. Over time the maple pieces will start to dry out and shrink, to the point where they start to separate. Therefore I was advised that if I was going to use the butcher block as a turntable base I needed to do one of two things, either A) remove the turntable once a month and apply a layer of oil to the butcher block, or B) put a layer of polyurethane over the stain to steal in the moisture and prevent to wood from drying and shrinking. I chose the poly. It has been two years since I sealed it and there are no gaps in the wood whatsoever. The on in the kitchen on the other hand is starting to show some minor separation because I am not a punctual as I should be in oiling that one (You cannot use poly on a cutting board tat is being used for food preparation.)
I never finished my Boos cutting board and after 7 years, no splitting. Of course now that you've put the thought in my head, it'll probably split tomorrow. Damn you Mazz!
Glad I could help. :lol:
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Just installed 4 Herbie's Square Fat Dots under the maple blocks 4 corners. That should decouple it from the glass top shelf.
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Just installed 4 Herbie's Square Fat Dots under the maple blocks 4 corners. That should decouple it from the glass top shelf.
Let us know if there’s any improvement when you get a chance
Nick