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Electro Stimulation Ward => Power Conditioning => Topic started by: rollo on November 15, 2016, 02:27:21 PM
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$ 60 retail. Buy them. You will not be disappointed. Will take your Uber or Digi Buss to a whole new level. I am a Furutech Authorized Dealer BTW so take this for what is worth. A hell of a product.
charles
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Link please?
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Here is what I found.
http://voodoocable.net/product/voodoo-ubbell-audio-grade-ac-outlet/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00YDDKRQ2/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
Something looks fishy here. On the 1st link it just looks like all this outlet is a dressed up Hubbell IG 8300.
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Here is what I found.
http://voodoocable.net/product/voodoo-ubbell-audio-grade-ac-outlet/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00YDDKRQ2/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
Something looks fishy here. On the 1st link it just looks like all this outlet is a dressed up Hubbell IG 8300.
Fishy ? The outlets are made by Hubbell to Voodoo specs. All copper connectors. Cryo treated, cleaned, polished and soaked in Progold.
charles
charles
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I read the Hubbell catalog. These are the "heavy duty" design, which Hubbell makes standard with brass contacts. These are custom phosphor bronze contacts (95% copper).
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is this the same outlet in orange?
https://www.codale.com/index.jsp?path=product&part=24548&ds=dept&process=search&qdx=0&ID=%2CReceptacles...Plugs%2CReceptacles%2CSpecification.Grade.Receptacles
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I would imagine the minimum order for a custom part from Hubbell would be 10,000 pieces, if they would even do it at all.
You might be able to coax them to do a batch in a custom color.
with a 50 percent markup, at $31 they cost the reseller maybe 15 to 18 dollars, maybe 6 bucks to make, maybe......which is a lot of maoney considering the chinese can do it for maybe .89 cents
I want a $600 dollar receptacle, call it the Bugatti or something like that, maybe backlit with blue leds, with a USB port too!
Voodoo ....I would pick a better name ...something like Kinetic Research labs or Resonant Research labs..Kinetic Applied arts...Slitherin Lubricant Labs! Now thats a good one!
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is this the same outlet in orange?
https://www.codale.com/index.jsp?path=product&part=24548&ds=dept&process=search&qdx=0&ID=%2CReceptacles...Plugs%2CReceptacles%2CSpecification.Grade.Receptacles
Nope!
charles
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Voodoo has been around awhile selling powercords and other products. Good people good products.
The voodoo outlets compared to the Pass & Seymor 5362 was no contest. Music just sounded better, so the recco.
Unless you have tried and or compared them directly as we have done in several applications your opinion is moot.
Highly recommended.
charles
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Thanks gents for your input. I ordered 1 Hubbell outlet and 1 VooDoo outlet to compare visually. I can easily return the Hubbell outlet with no problems. I'll put the VooDoo outlet on 1 of my Isolation Transformers for kicks. I'll report my findings.
Slitherin Lubricant Labs. Now that is a cool company name.
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I think sometimes they sound better because of the new contact material.
After years and years of oxidation, just replacing with new has the potential to make a better contact and perhaps sound better(different).
Depending on how old your house is, that old receptacle and its associated oxidation could be doing sonic harm(or not)
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You could actually take an emery board, not the metal kind please, use the paper/cardboard kind that you wife has a dozen of, and pull it in and out of each outlet hole a few times. It will scratch the surface, giving you better contact.
Note: it would be best to flip your fuse off before doing this, if you leave it on, and you get a shock (you shouldn't get one though) it is on you.
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All outlets tested were new when compared.
charles
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Charles,
How does the Voodoo Copper Duplex compare to the Furutech GTX-D (Rhodium) ?
thanks,
AH
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Evening
Well I got the Voodoo outlet from Amazon and I have to return it. It just won't work out for me. It is beyond my skillset to swap in the Voodoo outlet for the outlet on my CMX-2. I can't swap out the VooDoo outlet because the spades and gauge of the wires on my iso transformer can't fit in the tight spaces of the IG8300 outlet. Please see the pics for the comparison of the Voodoo outlet vs. the Hubbell based Porter Port. I found it weird that the ground screw was on the black wire side of the outlet rather than the white. I guess hospitals wire stuff differently.
Lastly is the physical feel of the outlet. The Porter Port Hubbell outlet feels more substantial than the Voodoo Hubbell 8300 IMO. I know that is being petty but I just can't shake that bias. I feel I get more for my buck with the Porter Port vs. The VooDoo.
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Thanks for the pics.
I was expecting the contacts to look redder with 95% copper.
In this video, the phosphor bronze guitar strings are only 92% copper, voodoo claims 95% copper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQmxCU9k8TI
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Looks can be deceiving. Listen to the result after installation. Glad to see you bought one to actually try.
When we compared the outlets to one another we had one Uberbuss with ad one without.
In comparison the Voodoo sound was more open, transparent with more info. Bass was improved as well.
Then we connected the Uber to a Pass & Seymor 5362A heavy duty receptacle at the wall, then the Voodoo at the wall. Same experience sound improved.
All power cords used were TWL with copper plugs. Both Digital American high Current, Std. Digital American and 7+ series cords.
Comparing the VooDoo to Furutech GTX-D the Furutech seemed almost equal with better bass from the Voodoo, very close call. Bang for the buck goes to Voodoo in our experiment.
Looks are for looks don't be fooled. Put it in.
charles
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Thanks for the pics.
I was expecting the contacts to look redder with 95% copper.
In this video, the phosphor bronze guitar strings are only 92% copper, voodoo claims 95% copper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQmxCU9k8TI
Lock them up ! Sorry could not resist, still had my Trump hat on. :rofl:
charles
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Everyone get their Trump bucks out and buy one. 👍
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I've been looking at receptacles for quite a while since I started my journey in lunacy that is the audio business. I settled on P&S because they sounded better than other spec grade receptacle in the original RevB MajikBUSS and the Uber. I was looking for a specific sonic signature - neutral - in my application.
Receptacles are like any other tweak. Different is just different. Better is better. Sometimes it is deceptive in that one area in sonics where one receptacle excels in a specific frequency range. Add to this the fact that every system is different and we have a great platform for discussion.
I have found that the single most important aspect of the receptacle to be the surface finish of the material used as a conductor. Next is the material alloy/plating, then the thickness of the contacts and finally having a non-magnetic receptacle.
Surface finish contributes to the overall noise floor of the receptacle/plug combination.
Isn't it interesting that something such as a receptacle can have such a profound influence on the overall sonic signature of a great system?
There are a lot of good receptacles to choose from - party on :thumb:
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Ordered [7] to play with. Me thinks the fact that the powercords I use have copper IEC and plug. The receptacles being copper as well is an advantage.
So maybe in my case when we compared the Ubers directly with the different receptacles installed the all copper had an advantage.
Guessing here as to why however the sonic result was that the Voodoo receptacles presented a more open sound stage with better focus and transparency.
When we used the Furutech GTX against the Voodoo in the Digibuss the Furutech was colored in direct comparison. Colored warm which at first seemed more desirable. After listening awhile we concluded the Voodoo offered a more transparent less romantic sound. Neutral as neutral can be was our final conclusion.
At the wall the Voodoo did the same thing. Increased stage more dynamic with stronger bass.
So is the Voodoo just a better receptacle or in our tests the copper to copper hook up aided the final outcome.
charles
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I have a bunch of those voodoo outlets. Those are the same outlets that came in my Torus. They are good but not in the same class as the Furutech.
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Charles,
How does the Voodoo Copper Duplex compare to the Furutech GTX-D (Rhodium) ?
thanks,
AH
I own both and including the Furutech GTX-D gold. I have like 5 of those Voodoo outlets... :rofl:. They are better suited for comparison against the GTX Rhodium in my Torus. The Furutech is a far more fleshed out sounding outlet than the Voodoo while powering the treble. The way Rhodium does compared to the gold.
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I have the Furutech GTX Rhodium and GTX Gold. Both good. Neither are as good as the Furutech FPX Copper polished by Dave. Not even close.
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Ask 10 people for martini recipes and you'll get 11 or more...
I have learned that there is not a "best receptacle." That estimation is overplayed beyond reason. The best receptacle is the one that sounds best. Doesn't have to be the most expensive either.
There are specific characteristics of each material and plating that can be learned and applications extrapolated from them. That takes time and cut and try or sharing what we have learned. This includes speakers, amp types and everything else about the system.
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I don't recall anyone saying it was the best. I only recall, well me anyways, the Furutech was only better than the Voodoo outlet. Doesn't have to be true. just saying...
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Thanks guys, interesting findings Werd from your hands on experience. As far as best I agree there is no "best" in our hobby, maybe best for ones application but not best in general.
At &60 retail with Graphite cover plate compared to Furutech it is IMHO bang for the buck. Thats all folks.
charles
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We all have enough time on the boards to know statements made are in our experience, in our systems.
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I think it is safe to say the craftmanship is superior on the Furutech outlet. It feels heavier than the Voodoo. Better designed using the flares to cover the contacts. If anything the two outlets demonstrate, if you make the contacts better along with plating it can make real audible differences. The Hubbell rebadged voodoo is good outlet and I would use it for a production model then leave the Furutechs for tweakers.
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We all have enough time on the boards to know statements made are in our experience, in our systems.
Not all Rob like you unfortunately. Lots of hooting from the hip out there and here as well.
merry, merry
charles
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You could actually take an emery board, not the metal kind please, use the paper/cardboard kind that you wife has a dozen of, and pull it in and out of each outlet hole a few times. It will scratch the surface, giving you better contact.
Note: it would be best to flip your fuse off before doing this, if you leave it on, and you get a shock (you shouldn't get one though) it is on you.
By all means be as careful as you can when working with alternating current. At 120VAC the maximum let-go threshold is ~ 15mA for a male. 500ma will get to fibrillation - no place to be. I make sure that I'm well insulated every time I work with AC. Comes from working with 1 MEV for a living and my electrician Dad as my mentor.
Cleaning with an emery board will certainly get rid of oxidation, but you MUST use a contact enhancer or preservative if you do so. When we talk about electrical contact, the better micro-finish we can get on the contacts is extremely important. When I was an implant technician in the semiconductor industry I got to see many electrical arcs. How about an arc over two feet long drawn from a surface that had a tiny burr from a screwdriver. Electricity is going to find the shortest path between two surfaces while generating a connection. Electron microscope images on electrical connections are very telling about surface effects of conducting materials with mill finish and polished surfaces. The mill finish (like you see on most electrical connectors) is relatively smooth to the eye and mountain ranges at microscopic levels. There is a tiny thunderstorm going on between the "mating" surfaces that is not a small source of RFI. When we clean electrical connectors, using the finest abrasive available is a very good idea. A popsicle stick trimmed to the width of a plug blade with 600 grit sand paper (or finer if you can source it) is a really great little tuner upper for receptacles. Then finish the job with the contact enhancer of your choice. Dip the popsicle stick in the goo and run it in and out gf the blade slot a half a dozen times.
Contact enhancers: DeOxit is fine, just use as little as possible. I use Jena Labs contact enhancer. One bottle is literally a lifetime purchase for most of us. Another great contact cleaner/enhancer is Pacer Rail Zip for model train tracks. Formulated specifically for removing oxides from brass it works really well for all types of contacts: [url]http://www.supergluecorp.com/?q=zap/zap-rail-zip/url]
Gotta keep this contacts clean!
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Great advice Dave. Thanks.
charles
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Great advice Dave. Thanks.
charles
Not a problem, anytime...
werd