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Electro Stimulation Ward => Signals and Noise => Topic started by: jimbones on February 16, 2015, 10:51:51 AM
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My VPI Classic II came in and I am in the market for new "Phono" interconnects. Do I just buy interconnects or are some interconnects better for phono. I am using a High Output MC Benz Glider which is lower than a MM into a Audio Research SP8.
Thanks.
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Because of the small signal I would suggest making sure these interconnects are shielded. And then need to be burned in just like any other cable, but the small signal from the cartridge is insufficient. Burn them in on your CD player for 100+ hours first.
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:shock: aren't all interconnects shielded?
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No they are not all shielded. One would desire a low capacitance shielded cable.
I would look for the most neutral IC available within your budget. within our club there are many you could demo. Especially TWL our club member.
Keep them as short as possible. As an experiment try wrapping any pair of ICs with alum foil. Listen without then with to discern the difference.
charles
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VPI Classic II -- SO Jealous =P~ :clap:
Ended up going with the Ort Quintet Bronze.
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Check out Morrow Audio phono cable. Light thin flexible stuff, easy to route and work with. Very reasonable prices.
I use the ph4, love it. Rec'd it to a buddy w/ a very high end VPI rig. He went with ph5. Loves it. Says his analog has never sounded so good, can't stop listening.
Goto Morrow's used cable page, 50% off sale till next week. If you don't see what you want, fill out the request form. Stand your ground, he will sell you new at used prices. Trust me, I know. Burn in is a bit of a ride. About 300 hrs. When it settles...wow!
http://www.morrowaudio.com/usedcables.htm
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Check out Morrow Audio phono cable. Light thin flexible stuff, easy to route and work with. Very reasonable prices.
I use the ph4, love it. Rec'd it to a buddy w/ a very high end VPI rig. He went with ph5. Loves it. Says his analog has never sounded so good, can't stop listening.
Goto Morrow's used cable page, 50% off sale till next week. If you don't see what you want, fill out the request form. Stand your ground, he will sell you new at used prices. Trust me, I know. Burn in is a bit of a ride. About 300 hrs. When it settles...wow!
http://www.morrowaudio.com/usedcables.htm
I'm thinking a pr of used ph4's regular plugs. Not sure there is any sonic benefit of the Eichman's.
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All my Morrows have regular connectors, so i can't comment on the Eichmanns , but some guys swear by them.
Maybe start w regular connectors and see if you really like the cable. If so, and you itch to play around, pick up a set w / Eichmanns at a good used price. Compare, and sell the loser. Reasonable prices near 50% of list minimizes resell loss.
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Morning,
Some of the users on the Morrow forum have said the Eichmann plugs made an audible improvement with using them but I believe that was with the level 4 or level 6 ICs.
I did a quick search in their forum and a VPI TT owner started with PH4 ICs from TT to Phono pre and MA4 from Phono Pre to preamp. They later moved up to PH6 and are even happier. In my system I use 1/2 meter PH2 ICs and then 1 meter MA2 ICs and I like the combination.
Morrow has Used cable sales less often now than sales on regularly priced cable. They do have some kind of sale going on all the time. To me it has become their new norm in pricing. I just wait for sales now and will never pay their full retail price.
Lastly I read some VPI users were happy with the ICs provided by VPI themselves. You could have synergy right from the get go at least from TT to Phono preamp. Does VPI not sell ICs any longer with their TTs?
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Morrow has Used cable sales less often now than sales on regularly priced cable. They do have some kind of sale going on all the time. To me it has become their new norm in pricing. I just wait for sales now and will never pay their full retail price.
True. There's no reason to ever pay "full price" for Morrow. Years ago I was an early Morrow adopter. Except for PC, I use it throughout my entire rig. I'm on his mailing list so over the years I've gotten a good feel for his marketing approach.
You can always buy on his used page at 30% off. On top of that, he often runs an additional 20% discount. This totals 44% off original MSRP. He provides the "secret code" right on his website. :lol: If you don't see what you want, fill out the request form. He will sell you new at the same 44% off.
He also offers a trade-up policy available only if you bought new from him originally: you buy new at 50% off, and give him your old cable. So basically, you get half off on new, but are selling your old piece for zero.
You need to do the math to figure the best economic path, trade-in vs. buy used / sell used. To me, trade-in is viable if trading up from such a low level that it's worth little in the used market, and not worth the selling hassle. Otherwise, if the old item is higher level and has some decent used mkt value, I'd just pay 56% on his used special, and sell the old separately. Any sale proceeds over 6% of the new item MSRP is the economic benefit of the buy / sell approach.
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Morning,
Lastly I read some VPI users were happy with the ICs provided by VPI themselves. You could have synergy right from the get go at least from TT to Phono preamp. Does VPI not sell ICs any longer with their TTs?
VPI still offers its phono cables as an option. They do not include them with their turntables - probably because most of their customers have phono cables already.
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That's a very clever name, Scott, Viva Hifi in Vienna, VA. :thumb:
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That's a very clever name, Scott, Viva Hifi in Vienna, VA. :thumb:
A hell of a nice man to boot. Knows his stuff and a pleasure to deal with. Welcome Scottdazzle
charles
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Morrow, VPI are VG. The source is critical for ones end result. If yoo are using a MM cart then capacitance of cable must be considered to properly load the cart. An impedance of 80 Ohms seems to work well with phono cables as well.
So think more spec than company. Then once you know what spec you desire buy the best conductor available meaning copper or silver.
charles
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Thanks guys. Getting back to the subject of the OP, I've tried and owned many phono cables over the years and have never used any with a better sense of air, detail, and body than the WyWires Platinum. They're not made of platinum metal, that's just the trade name.
Caveat: yes, I sell them but I would point out that I was a WyWires fan before I became a dealer. Alex Sventitsky, who makes them, has a phenomenal ear for music reproduction and is a really nice guy to work with, too.
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Scott, I also awn a ModWright Amp and as you know they recommend WyWires. Buuuttttttt, the WyWires are pricey
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The price reflects the materials, R&D time, Alex's ears, workmanship, and sound quality. Fwiw, I offer generous allowances on trade-ins that interest me. :)
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The price reflects the materials, R&D time, Alex's ears, workmanship, and sound quality. Fwiw, I offer generous allowances on trade-ins that interest me. :)
Good advice BTW for the ModWright. BTW there is a question about Ortofon cart on the Analog thread maybe you can help as an Ortofon dealer. Be Gentle :rofl:
I suggest you introduce your Biz in dealer section and let us know what yo have to offer.
charles
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The price reflects the materials, R&D time, Alex's ears, workmanship, and sound quality. Fwiw, I offer generous allowances on trade-ins that interest me. :)
I suggest you introduce your Biz in dealer section and let us know what yo have to offer.
charles
Thanks, I'll do that. :thumb:
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Still waiting.
charles