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Title: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on October 19, 2017, 07:18:13 AM
That's right.  CAF2017 at Rockville, MD. 

Who is going ?
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: HAL on October 19, 2017, 08:08:31 AM
Will be there for the full show.  :D

Hope to meet up with folks along the way.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: tmazz on October 19, 2017, 08:49:05 AM
I will be there Sat afternoon and Sunday. Traveling down with the Pumpkinman.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on October 25, 2017, 02:45:28 PM
definitely maybe.   8)

doug s.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: rollo on October 26, 2017, 08:27:25 AM
   Come see us in the Well Pleased Audio room. Will be showing RETHM, AQUA, Linnenberg, INNOUS and more.


charles
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on October 26, 2017, 09:35:46 PM
   Come see us in the Well Pleased Audio room. Will be showing RETHM, AQUA, Linnenberg, INNOUS and more.

charles
rethm speakers are definitely on my "want to hear" list...

doug s.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 04, 2017, 10:23:08 AM
Great show guys!
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on November 04, 2017, 10:33:17 AM
i was there yesterday - nice show; nice to go on a friday and be able to get vendors to play your software, as it's not very crowded.  (disappointed that some vendors have only music servers, so can't play cd's or vinyl...)

i won't make it today, but looking forward to going tomorrow.

doug s.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 04, 2017, 11:12:01 AM
Hi Doug,

We feel your pain.  Somewhat.

Perhaps they are showcasing their Dacs or some other digital gears?!? 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/16C1C1FF-31B4-40A3-B04A-5AFEA82D9A10_zpsf1gj49j5.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/16C1C1FF-31B4-40A3-B04A-5AFEA82D9A10_zpsf1gj49j5.jpg.html)

Hanging out with Pete at BorderPatrol, Volt Audio, Triode Wire Labs.

Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 04, 2017, 11:13:50 AM
Good seeing Rollo at the show.  Thank you for the 50% discount on the speakers.  😜👍

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/60D7D863-9271-459E-B2CE-E3D64143B37E_zpsdlwevpwf.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/60D7D863-9271-459E-B2CE-E3D64143B37E_zpsdlwevpwf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 04, 2017, 11:16:25 AM
It is only 2.5 hour drive from New York.  Lets go and support our guys!
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on November 04, 2017, 11:27:36 AM
Hi Doug,

We feel your pain.  Somewhat.

Perhaps they are showcasing their Dacs or some other digital gears?!? 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/16C1C1FF-31B4-40A3-B04A-5AFEA82D9A10_zpsf1gj49j5.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/16C1C1FF-31B4-40A3-B04A-5AFEA82D9A10_zpsf1gj49j5.jpg.html)

Hanging out with Pete at BorderPatrol, Volt Audio, Triode Wire Labs.
dacs are great!  just have a cd transport plugged into them, is that too much to ask?   :D

i was in the volti room yesterday, it was a room i really liked, and while i couldn't play vinyl there, i enjoyed more than a few cuts of my redbook software in that room.  it's really nice to be able to hear music you're familiar with at an audio show.  and, this is the second time i've been impressed with the sound of a volti speaker being able to sound nice in an extremely sub-optimal room.  tho i wasn't completely blown away like i was listening to the grand vittoria's w/matching powered sub in a similarly sub-optimal room set-up a few years back.  i'd love to here the vittoria's and these, in a better environment.  one of the few expensive speakers i've heard that would actually be worth the investment of my own funds, imo.  purchased used, of course!   :rofl:

doug s.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on November 04, 2017, 11:33:42 AM
Good seeing Rollo at the show.  Thank you for the 50% discount on the speakers.  😜👍

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/60D7D863-9271-459E-B2CE-E3D64143B37E_zpsdlwevpwf.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/60D7D863-9271-459E-B2CE-E3D64143B37E_zpsdlwevpwf.jpg.html)
another great sound, imo.  i met jacob george, rethm's owner/designer, and what a delightful gentleman!  i was disappointed that this was one of the rooms that was server-only, so i could not try cuts i was familiar with.  i also ran into jacob in the vr schweikert room, where i was able to get them to play my vinyl copy of 'buena vista social club'; jacob said this was one album he also had and liked, so when i go back to the show tomorrow, i am going to stop by the rethm room again, and see if that is loaded onto their server.

doug s.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 05, 2017, 07:43:23 AM
I have to admit that I had fun hanging out with my two-best buddies...JBTrio and Topround.   I am sure everyone would agree that music and good spirits brings everyone together as a common ground.  Special thanks to Pete (Triodewire) playing great tunes and for the cryoed beer! 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/67E0B03B-F653-4341-B377-A94D04F2D831_zpsourkart3.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/67E0B03B-F653-4341-B377-A94D04F2D831_zpsourkart3.jpg.html)
That was Topround and JBtrio checking out the Garrard with Philco cart.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/12D4C733-DA4D-42D0-9A81-84FEC56647B0_zpshye9e6wt.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/12D4C733-DA4D-42D0-9A81-84FEC56647B0_zpshye9e6wt.jpg.html)
Lonewolfny42!

Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 05, 2017, 07:46:09 AM
Finally, the winner of the best of show.  Subjective and personal.  😜👍

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/E6C707BD-828A-4CA4-8737-0EADCAE47343_zpsbm8sqvmi.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/E6C707BD-828A-4CA4-8737-0EADCAE47343_zpsbm8sqvmi.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Emil on November 05, 2017, 07:55:21 AM
Well I'll be.......

Two guys who have written off audio make the trip to CAF :thumb:

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/1b/1b31a7473fed320aab61fc0e93158176a1ef09de4156ba7e3c718e5999d700fb.jpg)
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Nick B on November 05, 2017, 08:54:58 AM
Nice to get some pics and updates on the show. Thanks guys
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 05, 2017, 04:12:50 PM
Hey @Nick, I only took a few with my iPhone the rest were mental pictures.

Hello @Emil, life may get in the way, but music will always be my passion. I leave this iPod running all day for my cat and for background music.  ;-)

You never know, Phil Lam may invite everyone for a revival. 

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/IMG_1074_zpsfnari8cq.jpg)
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Triode Pete on November 06, 2017, 08:16:44 AM
Finally, the winner of the best of show.  Subjective and personal.  😜👍

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/E6C707BD-828A-4CA4-8737-0EADCAE47343_zpsbm8sqvmi.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/E6C707BD-828A-4CA4-8737-0EADCAE47343_zpsbm8sqvmi.jpg.html)

Ahhh, the jbtrio room... Quite nice, I must say... & the best hospitality around!!!

Thanks to all for visiting my two rooms (Room 316 with BorderPatrol & Volti) and in the large Frederick Room (with GT Audio Works, Pass Labs, Acoustic Signature TT (Fidelis AV) & Sound Insights).

Cheers,
Pete
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: rollo on November 06, 2017, 12:16:00 PM
I'll second that. A bit better with the AQUA DAC, :-P oh Joey where art thou ?


charles
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on November 06, 2017, 12:52:21 PM
Finally, the winner of the best of show.  Subjective and personal.  😜👍

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/E6C707BD-828A-4CA4-8737-0EADCAE47343_zpsbm8sqvmi.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/ofier/media/E6C707BD-828A-4CA4-8737-0EADCAE47343_zpsbm8sqvmi.jpg.html)

are those the new horning euphrodite pm65 nwb's?  damn; i missed them.  if they were anything like the euphrodite's i heard in a big room  at caf in silver spring a couple years ago, i understand your feelings.  i wish the vendors/distributors would list all the stuff they're displaying...

other speakers i heard and liked, and would consider owning, (i really have a somewhat difficult time at shows listening to components other than speakers), were the german physiks borderland iv's (the only really expensive speakers that i'd like to try in my own rig), the volti rivals (i'd actually like to try their up-model vittora's, also expensive, which i have heard previously), the tekton double-impacts, the pure audio project's, the rethm bhaava's.  i was exceptionally impressed with the tektons and the pure audio projects, considering the prices.  and also the rethm's, if a bit more expensive, tho not outrageous.

speakers i liked but wouldn't consider owning include the tad evolution ones, marco serri arena's (both too expensive for what they are, imo, at ~$30k & ~$40k), and the quad s2's - really nice, but i don't have a use for any more nice & reasonably priced monitors - i am flush; w/a pair of kef ls50's, proac tablette 8 ref sigs and custom kit made & upgraded dillon acoustics ego's.  i wanted to hear the ~$70k marco serri venezia's, but they weren't playing when i was in the room.  (and the room was too small for both the serri speakers, imo.); the daedalus apollo 11's - really nice, but too expensive for me; if i were to spend that much, i'd want something that strikes me as spectacular - like the german physiks, or the volti vittora's or the horning euphrodite's, for example.

from what i heard of the voxativ ampeggio, i would like to hear it in a more appropriate room; it sounded tolerable in the room it was in; which i found amazing.  i queried the rep why they would show a $30k speaker in such a room, and he said it was simply too expensive to get a better room.  imo, just stay home, then; if you cannot set up a $30k speaker even half-properly, why bother?  altho i am certain i could have set up both the speakers (the other being an aer-driver dipole) he was demo'ing a lot better than the way they were set up, which may have made the experience a lot more enjoyable.  altho, for the price, what i'd really like to hear is the voxativ 9.87 system, which i have read about; it's my kind of system - full-range driver on top, w/integrated active powered sub for the low end.

things i heard that make me think "meh": the emia electrostats - no dynamics, meh soundstage, meh low end; the von schweikert ul11's - meh soundstage, so-so resolution, ok dynamics: $1M system - seriously, and this is all you could do?;  the charney audio companion mkii's - congested sound, so-so soundstage, hard midrange & treble, muddy low end; the gt audio works gta3r planar/ribbons w/the sound insight si 600 open baffle servo sub woofers - meh soundstage & dynamics, thick bass (which surprised me, considering the six 12" servo dipole subs per side); the tad micro evolution ones - complete room overload/mismatch - i suspect this was about the worst case of making a decent speaker sound like total crap.  unless there was a contest to see how shitty you could make a really nice speaker sound!  8)

if i didn't mention something, either good or bad, it means i probably missed it.  i ended up staying significant amounts of time in the rooms i really liked, especially when i was allowed to listen to the albums and cd's i brought.  ;)

doug s.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on November 06, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
ah, one last edition; i forgot to mention the carver room.  i think if the ribbon/midrange driver towers were properly crossed over to some decent stereo subs, instead of the single flat-panel carver/sunfire subrosa sub that was being used, it may have actually sounded nice, if you were sitting far enough away.  talk about boomy thick muddy incoherent low end...

doug s.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 07, 2017, 03:23:54 PM
Hey Doug, I am not sure which version of speaker were those.  I will ask Joe.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 07, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
Ahhh, the jbtrio room... Quite nice, I must say... & the best hospitality around!!!

Thanks to all for visiting my two rooms (Room 316 with BorderPatrol & Volti) and in the large Frederick Room (with GT Audio Works, Pass Labs, Acoustic Signature TT (Fidelis AV) & Sound Insights).

Cheers,
Pete

Hey Pete, you were a great host likewise.  Thank you.

Turn back time: 2005 at Richard's Audio Rave.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on November 07, 2017, 05:45:52 PM
Hey Doug, I am not sure which version of speaker were those.  I will ask Joe.
hi levi,

not sure if you're referring to the carvers, but afaik, they are these:
http://www.bobcarvercorp.com/als (http://www.bobcarvercorp.com/als)

the included sub ($3k additional, for a second) is this:

http://www.sunfire.com/productdetail.asp?id=27 (http://www.sunfire.com/productdetail.asp?id=27)

i'd be wanting to get $3k off, and be getting my subs elsewhere - just mty opinion, of course, but i think the sub that comes with - the "subrosa"- truly sucks.  and, for speakers like that, a pair of subs is mandatory.  strangely enough the guy demo'ing them made a point to say how you only needed one.  weird.  for subs for this (or any) speaker, i'd be seriously looking at something like a pair of the new rythmik fv18's or fv25hp's - truly outstanding servo-controlled hi-output low distortion performance.  (retail $1700 and $2500 shipped.) expensive, yes, but not absurdly priced like many "audiophile" subs.  and considerably less expensive than the $3k subrosa's  in smaller rooms, their other offerings also seem quite capable.  or, for $200 more than the subrosa's, go completely nuts and check out the jtr captivator 4000ulf's.  check out the data bass list for nice reviews, w/extensive measurements of many subs:

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=systems&type=0 (http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=systems&type=0)

doug s.

ps - i also forgot to mention the $62k speakers i heard in the laufer teknic room - another room way too small for the speakers.  but at least they were set up in a somewhat acceptable manner.  i think they're some new sunny cable model.  nice sound; possibly fantastic, in the right room.  but $62k?  not for me, not on my budget...
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 07, 2017, 06:29:59 PM
Thank you for the link.   :thumb:

How about $1,000,000.00 for the VAC setup ?   That's right, I would be expecting "golden" sound.   :rofl:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/AC7A103F-6554-489D-A55F-4684E11285D0_zpsuye4zxu6.jpg)
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on November 07, 2017, 08:43:52 PM
levi, as you may have noticed, i was suitably underwhelmed by what i heard in the vac/von schweikert room.  from your comment, it seems i'm not the only one who didn't "get it".

and, now i realize you must have been referring to the horning's, re: "which model".  i know the euphrodite's i heard a few years back were older models, and they were one of the best speakers i've ever heard anywhere, anytime, any place, any price...  i am on the lookout for a bargain on a used pair of horning agalme's.  ha!

doug s.
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Emil on November 08, 2017, 03:42:52 AM
(http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6524.0;attach=7814;image)


Awwww. Look how young Bob and Pete look.

Time waits for no one.......
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Emil on November 08, 2017, 03:45:00 AM
Thank you for the link.   :thumb:

How about $1,000,000.00 for the VAC setup ?   That's right, I would be expecting "golden" sound.   :rofl:

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/AC7A103F-6554-489D-A55F-4684E11285D0_zpsuye4zxu6.jpg)

I see the problem already. They didnt use cable elevators. They're just laying on the carpet for Christ's sake
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: Levi on November 08, 2017, 06:15:42 AM

Well said Emil.   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

They have some headphone rooms at the show but those in-ear monitor were hard to audition.  The best and most expensive once had to be molded to your ears.  However, I really liked my Westone W60 in-ear monitor, a 6-balanced armature drivers with 3-way crossover.  It retails for approximately $1,000 +/-. 

Loved the dynamic full-range sound connected to an iPhone 6 plus.  They are Perfect for the subway commute and not so great for cycling or driving.  Once installed deep in my ear canal, the whole world just gotten much better in my opinion.  Instantly!

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/28355B2E-FCE7-449E-BA2D-859280EA96DC_zpstzognxui.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/5A019F6D-F961-45DC-B1C4-1B3CA45074B6_zpsfqegahit.jpg)
Title: Re: CAF2017 Head count
Post by: doug s. on November 08, 2017, 07:31:25 AM
emil, they did use cable elevators in the vac/von schweikert room.  you can clearly see them.  just not enough!  it was probably all they could afford!   :rofl:

doug s.