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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2021, 10:21:04 AM »
Since you plan to put speakers on the short wall of a room that is basically a rectangular box, it's kindof impossible to avoid symmetry with the room.  Only way to do so is place them on longer wall, shifted to one side, such that the distance to sidewalls is different.

Another way is with an across the corner diagonal setup.  I've done this in a few rooms, with good success.  Photo below is my current room -- very large, partial cathedral ceilings, open layout into DR and kitch.  I tried the speakers setup traditionally on window wall and wall you see to the right.  Wall to left (not in pic) is possible but it has big double doors out to porch -- not good from a living standpoint -- so I didn't try it.

Sounds best this way.    Just experiment and use your ears.

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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2021, 12:17:01 PM »
Everything i have read says you want symmetry. 
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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2021, 12:20:35 PM »
Everything i have read says you want symmetry.

Same here.   
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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2021, 01:35:46 PM »
Waiting for Dave to comment…. whaddya think??
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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2021, 02:27:18 PM »
Everything i have read says you want symmetry.

That's exactly why I made the comment, Jimmy. I always thought the same as you and John.

I guess we'll all wait for Dave!  :D

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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2021, 11:15:02 PM »
in smaller rooms especially, i'm definitely in agreement w/the comment you quoted.  have your left or right speaker a few inches closer or further away from its nearest side wall than the other.  it will help load the room better.  by the looks of your diagram, where the x's are, you have that already, if you're actually going to place the speakers there.  (but i'm w/charles - move the speakers further into the room; slide everything rearward, maybe even the bookshelf/record cabinet.)

and i'd also consider sound absorption at the 1st sidewall reflection points; makes a nice difference in a narrow room.  depending on the shelving on the right side, that may act in this fashion all by itself, and you would only have to put something on the left side.

definitely agree about curtains on the windows, and nothing between the speakers, w/exception of amp/s on the floor.  and, maybe it's possible to have the shelving split in two, so that it can be moved all the way to the back of the room on each side?  then your audio gear except amp/s can be on the side wall in front of one of the shelves, and the room remains as wide as possible, w/a place for proper sound absorption at the 1st reflection points to the listening position.

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doug s.
I was reading through this article this morning and was surprised by this comment:

"Avoid left / right symmetry, especially with respect to corners, halls and walls. It’s okay to have your speakers symmetrical with each other, but make sure they’re not exactly symmetrical to the room."

https://www.aperionaudio.com/blogs/aperion-audio-blog/2-channel-stereo-speaker-placement

Whatta you guys thinking on this?

Thanks,
SN

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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2021, 02:49:50 PM »
Since you plan to put speakers on the short wall of a room that is basically a rectangular box, it's kindof impossible to avoid symmetry with the room.  Only way to do so is place them on longer wall, shifted to one side, such that the distance to sidewalls is different.

Another way is with an across the corner diagonal setup.  I've done this in a few rooms, with good success.  Photo below is my current room -- very large, partial cathedral ceilings, open layout into DR and kitch.  I tried the speakers setup traditionally on window wall and wall you see to the right.  Wall to left (not in pic) is possible but it has big double doors out to porch -- not good from a living standpoint -- so I didn't try it.

Sounds best this way.    Just experiment and use your ears.

I'll second on the corner diagonal setup. I too have had good luck, sometimes making the diagonal not perfectly lined up into the corner. By skewing the angle into the corner I've been able on some occasions to combat the imaging shifting off to the side due to a window or nearby wall. With a diagonal placement and some acoustic treatments I was able to get a bedroom to sound delightfully good, far beyond my expectations.

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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2021, 07:24:56 PM »
Since you plan to put speakers on the short wall of a room that is basically a rectangular box, it's kindof impossible to avoid symmetry with the room.  Only way to do so is place them on longer wall, shifted to one side, such that the distance to sidewalls is different.

Another way is with an across the corner diagonal setup.  I've done this in a few rooms, with good success.  Photo below is my current room -- very large, partial cathedral ceilings, open layout into DR and kitch.  I tried the speakers setup traditionally on window wall and wall you see to the right.  Wall to left (not in pic) is possible but it has big double doors out to porch -- not good from a living standpoint -- so I didn't try it.

Sounds best this way.    Just experiment and use your ears.

I'll second on the corner diagonal setup. I too have had good luck, sometimes making the diagonal not perfectly lined up into the corner. By skewing the angle into the corner I've been able on some occasions to combat the imaging shifting off to the side due to a window or nearby wall. With a diagonal placement and some acoustic treatments I was able to get a bedroom to sound delightfully good, far beyond my expectations.

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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2021, 09:33:05 PM »
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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2021, 05:57:28 PM »
Bill, They should be symmetrical to the room, side and back walls especially. See website for Acoustic Fields

 https://www.acousticfields.com/videos/
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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2021, 11:32:03 PM »
Bill, They should be symmetrical to the room, side and back walls especially. See website for Acoustic Fields

 https://www.acousticfields.com/videos/

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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2021, 08:54:05 PM »
we can agree to disagree.  you can get rid of room nodes by slightly shifting the distance between side walls a few inches, per my prior comments.  (genesis loudspeakers agrees w/me.  i recently read it in one of their manuals i was perusing.  or i agree w/them?  heh!)

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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2022, 12:43:34 PM »
in smaller rooms especially, i'm definitely in agreement w/the comment you quoted.  have your left or right speaker a few inches closer or further away from its nearest side wall than the other.  it will help load the room better.  by the looks of your diagram, where the x's are, you have that already, if you're actually going to place the speakers there.  (but i'm w/charles - move the speakers further into the room; slide everything rearward, maybe even the bookshelf/record cabinet.)

and i'd also consider sound absorption at the 1st sidewall reflection points; makes a nice difference in a narrow room.  depending on the shelving on the right side, that may act in this fashion all by itself, and you would only have to put something on the left side.

definitely agree about curtains on the windows, and nothing between the speakers, w/exception of amp/s on the floor.  and, maybe it's possible to have the shelving split in two, so that it can be moved all the way to the back of the room on each side?  then your audio gear except amp/s can be on the side wall in front of one of the shelves, and the room remains as wide as possible, w/a place for proper sound absorption at the 1st reflection points to the listening position.

my idea:


doug s.
I was reading through this article this morning and was surprised by this comment:

"Avoid left / right symmetry, especially with respect to corners, halls and walls. It’s okay to have your speakers symmetrical with each other, but make sure they’re not exactly symmetrical to the room."

https://www.aperionaudio.com/blogs/aperion-audio-blog/2-channel-stereo-speaker-placement

Whatta you guys thinking on this?

Thanks,
SN


  That is it in a nutshell. You moved in now so ????


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Re: NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2022, 03:35:36 PM »
ya!  enquiring minds wanna know!

doug s.

  That is it in a nutshell. You moved in now so ????

charles

in smaller rooms especially, i'm definitely in agreement w/the comment you quoted.  have your left or right speaker a few inches closer or further away from its nearest side wall than the other.  it will help load the room better.  by the looks of your diagram, where the x's are, you have that already, if you're actually going to place the speakers there.  (but i'm w/charles - move the speakers further into the room; slide everything rearward, maybe even the bookshelf/record cabinet.)

and i'd also consider sound absorption at the 1st sidewall reflection points; makes a nice difference in a narrow room.  depending on the shelving on the right side, that may act in this fashion all by itself, and you would only have to put something on the left side.

definitely agree about curtains on the windows, and nothing between the speakers, w/exception of amp/s on the floor.  and, maybe it's possible to have the shelving split in two, so that it can be moved all the way to the back of the room on each side?  then your audio gear except amp/s can be on the side wall in front of one of the shelves, and the room remains as wide as possible, w/a place for proper sound absorption at the 1st reflection points to the listening position.

my idea:


doug s.
I was reading through this article this morning and was surprised by this comment:

"Avoid left / right symmetry, especially with respect to corners, halls and walls. It’s okay to have your speakers symmetrical with each other, but make sure they’re not exactly symmetrical to the room."

https://www.aperionaudio.com/blogs/aperion-audio-blog/2-channel-stereo-speaker-placement

Whatta you guys thinking on this?

Thanks,
SN