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Offline S Clark

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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2023, 08:29:34 AM »
All excellent gear.  Go get your pricey phono pre and let us know what you think. 
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Offline long_island_audio_nut

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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2023, 11:48:09 AM »
It would help to know what it will match up with.   Every phono preamp I have owned were different from each other, but none made as much difference as a cartridge upgrade or even a stylus upgrade.
What is your table, your cartridge, your tonearm, your tonearm cable, and the interconnects from phono pre to preamp?

My system is:
Classe C200 200 watt power amp
Mctintosh C2600 pre-amp
VPI Classic II turntable with a Clear audio Mastro MM cartridge
Sonus Faber Olympia II speakes

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Classe C200 Amp
Mcintosh C2600 Pre-Amp
VPI Classic II table with Clear Audio Mastro MM cartridge
Oppo Blue Ray player
Bluesound Vault
Prima Luna EVO 100 Tube DAC
Samsung 80" 4K TV

Offline S Clark

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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2023, 07:11:23 PM »
That's a nice vinyl rig.  A good phono preamp will definitely make a difference. 
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Phonopre-Hagermann,Jolida,GSlee   
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Offline long_island_audio_nut

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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2023, 07:58:20 AM »
That's a nice vinyl rig.  A good phono preamp will definitely make a difference.

Thanks.  I am very happy with it and I know that I would get a better sound out of a good phono pre-amp verses directly into the Mac. 

The reviews of the Coincidence are all excellent but would still love to be able to hear the dam thing before I go out and spend 6 to 7 k on it
My system
Classe C200 Amp
Mcintosh C2600 Pre-Amp
VPI Classic II table with Clear Audio Mastro MM cartridge
Oppo Blue Ray player
Bluesound Vault
Prima Luna EVO 100 Tube DAC
Samsung 80" 4K TV

Offline S Clark

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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2023, 09:52:09 AM »

The reviews of the Coincidence are all excellent but would still love to be able to hear the dam thing before I go out and spend 6 to 7 k on it
Unfortunately, reviews are often suspect... and none tell you what it will sound like in your system.
Do they ever come up used?  If it disappointed, you could move along and probably get 80% of your money back.   
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Pre-Dodd
Turntable-Vyger,Victor,TechnicSP10MK2
Phonopre-Hagermann,Jolida,GSlee   
Cable-AudioSensibility Wywires TWL
Cartridge-Dynavector,Sumiko
Tonearm-PioneerP3,Jelco
Rythmic sub

Offline James Edward

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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2023, 01:49:17 PM »
Itís not the only game in town- there are many great phono preamps out there that offer a trial period, either sold directly or through online dealers that offer a trial. Iím old enough to have been disappointed by a number of expensive audiophile products and their reviews.
Good luck in your quest, but donít get too caught up on one product and itís reviews. Ten years ago I was laid up with shoulder surgery, and auditioned DACs from four different companies. Sure, it costs shipping to send them back, but it was eye opening. I only say this because phono preamps are relatively light and small to ship, nothing like amplifiers and speakers.
Spoiler- I kept what I had because the cost of Ďupgradingí was not justified.
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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2023, 08:49:00 PM »

The reviews of the Coincidence are all excellent but would still love to be able to hear the dam thing before I go out and spend 6 to 7 k on it
Unfortunately, reviews are often suspect... and none tell you what it will sound like in your system.
Do they ever come up used?  If it disappointed, you could move along and probably get 80% of your money back.

True. Reality though is that these days a $7K purchase not seeing and/or hearing is more common and IMO really with only moderate risk, provided of course there is sufficient do diligence on the part of the buyer.

EDIT: If I'm not mistaken I think Mark Cuban holds the record for largest financial transaction via the internet, and without seeing the item prior and in person....it was/is a jet plane, and it cost him few million  :thumb:
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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2023, 08:53:54 PM »
Itís not the only game in town- there are many great phono preamps out there that offer a trial period, either sold directly or through online dealers that offer a trial. Iím old enough to have been disappointed by a number of expensive audiophile products and their reviews.
Good luck in your quest, but donít get too caught up on one product and itís reviews. Ten years ago I was laid up with shoulder surgery, and auditioned DACs from four different companies. Sure, it costs shipping to send them back, but it was eye opening. I only say this because phono preamps are relatively light and small to ship, nothing like amplifiers and speakers.
Spoiler- I kept what I had because the cost of Ďupgradingí was not justified.

I propose it is or at least can be normal to get caught up on a product and reviews.

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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2023, 08:22:16 AM »
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Unfortunately, reviews are often suspect... and none tell you what it will sound like in your system.
Do they ever come up used?  If it disappointed, you could move along and probably get 80% of your money back.

So true. Both personal and professional.

Cheers

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Re: Phono pre amp question
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2023, 03:26:02 PM »

The reviews of the Coincidence are all excellent but would still love to be able to hear the dam thing before I go out and spend 6 to 7 k on it
Unfortunately, reviews are often suspect... and none tell you what it will sound like in your system.
Do they ever come up used?  If it disappointed, you could move along and probably get 80% of your money back.

True. Reality though is that these days a $7K purchase not seeing and/or hearing is more common and IMO really with only moderate risk, provided of course there is sufficient do diligence on the part of the buyer.

EDIT: If I'm not mistaken I think Mark Cuban holds the record for largest financial transaction via the internet, and without seeing the item prior and in person....it was/is a jet plane, and it cost him few million  :thumb:

I totally agree.  And what worries me is I have never read a review where they say "Do not waste your money".  Of course they never would because it's the companies that make the equipment that are putting money in their pockets
My system
Classe C200 Amp
Mcintosh C2600 Pre-Amp
VPI Classic II table with Clear Audio Mastro MM cartridge
Oppo Blue Ray player
Bluesound Vault
Prima Luna EVO 100 Tube DAC
Samsung 80" 4K TV