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Offline BobM

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2015, 07:53:26 AM »
I thought you were in Yosemite Mike?

And I thought you were no longer into Audio?

And I thought the lyric was "and I like big butts in a can of limes"?
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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2015, 08:45:29 AM »
Bill,
what TT you putting that arm on? I imagine a VPI.
Great arm and you SHOULD take Joe up on his offer. Great combo that cart with that phono pre. Ask Joe he had that combo and it sounded great on his previous TT.
The arm and table you are going to use are even better so it should sound wondrful.

MC is truly fantastic but requires a bit more work, using a step up transformer is the best way to step up a MC, I think the only way it should be done rather than the compromises utilized in the design to offer high gain in a phono pre. But that is just me....and about every other high end cart user.....
Stepping up would require a step up transformer (2) and interconnects.
It adds up quickly when you want good quality

Take Joe up on his offer

VPI Prime, Mike.

I have a lot more thinking to do now. I wanted to keep things $imple and avoid the co$ts of an $UT and an extra $et of interconnect$, but...???  HW at VPI is recommending a Sumiko Blackbird or Dynavector 20XH for HOMC choices.

I still may take up Joe on his offer, but right now I'm "shooting higher".  Sleppyguy24's comment of "buy once, cry once" is still ringing in my ears!

We'll see.  T.B.C.

Bill
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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2015, 08:47:37 AM »
Is there a reason this one won't work?
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-12459-dynavector-20x2-h-mc-phono-cartridge.aspx

I really like the Dynavector sound.. kind of Bugle-Boy esque.
I really enjoy listening to music.

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2015, 09:35:51 AM »
The MM Clearaudio Maestro Wood is awesome. No SUT necessary. I am blissfully unaware of the advantages offered by MC, and I intend to stay that way. Of course I have heard excellent MCs and I feel like mine gives me equal listening pleasure, or more. It's not cheap, but it really sounds great even on my entry level big boy TT. I intend to buy another one if this one ever wears out. I have no desire for more resolution from vinyl.

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2015, 10:28:01 AM »
Is there a reason this one won't work?
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-12459-dynavector-20x2-h-mc-phono-cartridge.aspx

I really like the Dynavector sound.. kind of Bugle-Boy esque.

Actually, Carl... this is one of the two HOMC's that Harry at VPI recco'd to me. (The other was the Sumiko Blackbird.)

Please "shplain to me, Lucy" what Bugle-Boy-esque is.

Thanks!
Bill
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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2015, 10:42:20 AM »
The MM Clearaudio Maestro Wood is awesome. No SUT necessary. I am blissfully unaware of the advantages offered by MC, and I intend to stay that way. Of course I have heard excellent MCs and I feel like mine gives me equal listening pleasure, or more. It's not cheap, but it really sounds great even on my entry level big boy TT. I intend to buy another one if this one ever wears out. I have no desire for more resolution from vinyl.

Me too, but almost everyone is telling me to go the MC or MI route vs. MM...???

Bill

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2015, 10:47:47 AM »
Amperex Bugle Boy tubes, made in Holland... have a certain alive and full bodied sound with the details presented very musically.  
I could've said Kevin Voecks-esque instead... because the 80's Snell's and now Revel sound is along the same lines I'm talking about...
If I had to buy a cart today and I had a grand, the 20x is the way I'd go... Or maybe a Shelter 501 - but that would require the SUT.
I really enjoy listening to music.

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2015, 12:26:32 PM »
Me too, but almost everyone is telling me to go the MC or MI route vs. MM...???

Bill


Why not try them all? One at a time, over the next few years.  It is fun to try new things, learn and enjoy the adventure. There is no goal, there is no better, there's no rush.

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2015, 04:21:37 PM »
Why not try them all? One at a time, over the next few years.  It is fun to try new things, learn and enjoy the adventure. There is no goal, there is no better, there's no rush.

I'm too old for that crap, Rich!  I'll never live long enough to try a 1/2 dozen different cartridges a couple of years apart!  :rofl:

 Bill
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BTW, does anybody have an "in" for Soundsmith...???  I'm leaning that way again!  :shock:
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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2015, 05:01:47 PM »
The MM Clearaudio Maestro Wood is awesome. No SUT necessary. I am blissfully unaware of the advantages offered by MC, and I intend to stay that way. Of course I have heard excellent MCs and I feel like mine gives me equal listening pleasure, or more. It's not cheap, but it really sounds great even on my entry level big boy TT. I intend to buy another one if this one ever wears out. I have no desire for more resolution from vinyl.

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2015, 06:40:57 PM »
Bill,

Listen to Harry and get the Dynavector 20 and put $50 aside for the Soundsmith Counterintuitive. Should work with the 3D arm.

Don't forget the 3 rules of cartridge setup: Fozgo, Fozgo, Fozgo.

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2015, 07:16:11 AM »

I own the Dyna 20x, both HO and LO versions, and a few other cartridges.  Over the years I keep returning to it. I find it well balanced -- meaty, dynamic and slightly warm, and with sufficient detail, nuance and space for me.  I even prefer it to the Dyna 17d2 mk2 and the CA Maestro.  The former borrowed from a friend, the latter I owned.  All are VG, and different tastes / synergies could easily prefer differently.

There is a heavy heavy weight of opinion, from many different quarters, that favors the 20x on VPI arms -- safe to assume it's a good match.

Why fret so much?  Just get the tried and true.  If your main point of hesitancy is resell loss should it not work for you, just buy used.   20x can be had in VVG / low hrs used condition in the $400 range.  That's how I got both my 20x's....and all my carts for that matter.  That's well below your budget, and no gear decision is permanent, or locks you into anything.  If it doesn't work, just sell it.  Get something else used.  Keep doing it till you find something that rocks your socks.  No biggie.

Synergy and satisfaction can never be guaranteed up front. For me, buying smart in the used market significantly reduces handwringing and indecision, and makes pulling the trigger much easier.  Once financial loss is eliminated, or significantly reduced, who cares if you make a mistake?  Besides, the gear rolling game is fun and educational.

Anyways, that's my approach.  Good luck in whatever you do.
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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2015, 08:14:30 AM »
For example.....

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/cartridges-clearaudio-maestro-wood-high-end-mm-cartridge-perfect-condition-3-hours-2015-01-07-analog-90066-los-angeles-ca

I know used carts can be a bit of a risky proposition, but look at the lovely condition of that stylus!  Well known and respected west coast analog dealer.  Looks safe to me.

Great price.  And he's accepting offers.  Just a coupla months ago I sold my Maestro for only $50 less, and mine had much heavier use.

Another option from same seller:

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/cartridges-clearaudio-virtuoso-wood-mm-cartridge-2015-01-07-analog-90066-los-angeles-ca

I also owned this one.  Excellent.
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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2015, 08:32:04 AM »
Thanx, John... although I'm thinking HOMC or HOMI.  The Dynavector 20x2H seems to be where I'm heading.

Including yourself; Carlman, Bob M. (I think?), Putz and Harry W. from VPI recco'd the Dynavector 20x2H as well.

"The Sumiko Blackbird is excellent and can be purchased in high output as is the Dynavector 20XH both will work perfectly on the Prime and both are used by us in day to day listening.  If you want an HO MC those would be my choices. -  HW"

Bill

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Re: Cartridge suggestions to go with a Soundsmith MMP3 Phono Stage
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2015, 09:26:42 PM »
The blackbird might be a little too bright. Dynavector would be a better choice, but HO vs LO is a big sonic difference, the lower the better.
HO MC vs MM is kinda close, but low output MC vs MM is a big difference.

At least you moved on from Grado...that would be a mistake,especially with such a great sounding arm like the 3d printed arm.
If you do choose the Grado stick with the cheaper arm.

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