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Systemic Development => Amplification and Preamplification => Topic started by: rollo on July 31, 2017, 01:21:57 PM
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Berning MiniZotyl amp, Why ? David Berning design and inexpensive that simple.
charles
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Berning MiniZotyl amp, Why ? David Berning design and inexpensive that simple.
charles
The remainder of the system for this amp might be what? Just curious...
Nick
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I only owned 300B, and it was a SE/PP, I ran it in the PP gear most of the time.
Mastersound 845 made a big impact on me at a show 10 years ago.
Thinking about building Neurochrome 300B (https://www.neurochrome.com/300b-set-amp/) diy for upcoming horn speaker project.
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Berning MiniZotyl amp, Why ? David Berning design and inexpensive that simple.
charles
The remainder of the system for this amp might be what? Just curious...
Nick
A quality speaker with sensitivity of more than 96db for starters. Then no other requirements. Easy as pie.
charles
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I only owned 300B, and it was a SE/PP, I ran it in the PP gear most of the time.
Mastersound 845 made a big impact on me at a show 10 years ago.
Thinking about building Neurochrome 300B (https://www.neurochrome.com/300b-set-amp/) diy for upcoming horn speaker project.
Nice find . Looks like a contender to me. Price is reasonable.
charles
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Berning MiniZotyl amp, Why ? David Berning design and inexpensive that simple.
charles
The remainder of the system for this amp might be what? Just curious...
Nick
A quality speaker with sensitivity of more than 96db for starters. Then no other requirements. Easy as pie.
charles
You sure? 1 watt in 4 ohm and 0.5watts in 16 ohms
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Cary 572SE MkII that was modified along with a Cary SLP50B that was highly modified. Huge soundstage width and depth, great LF control with characteristics of both great SE and PP. Drove 3 ohm loads with authority when called to do so. Downside? The Svetlana 572 tubes were unreliable and became vaporware. That is the ONLY reason I sold them.
Dennis Had has designed some great products and I have total respect for his designs and think they are tremendous performers per dollar.
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Berning MiniZotyl amp, Why ? David Berning design and inexpensive that simple.
charles
The remainder of the system for this amp might be what? Just curious...
Nick
High sensitivity speakers a must. Then whatever you like.
charles
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So many to choose from. Decware, Tektron, Border Patrol, Audio Note, Shindo, Berning, Coincident and lots more. Then 2A3, 300B,50,45,211 tubes to choose from and more yet.
Confusing already. This an get expensive as the tubes are not cheap. Hearing all with a 102db speaker should teach me allot. Looking to cut the chase so suggestions are very welcome.
charles
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I'm crashing this party with more of a question... I bought a Luxman class A integrated amp last year and I've fallen in love with the SS class A sound. Is SET another level up? The luscious class A sound was immediately apparent. And no tube hassles- or tube rolling expenses, etc.
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I'm crashing this party with more of a question... I bought a Luxman class A integrated amp last year and I've fallen in love with the SS class A sound. Is SET another level up? The luscious class A sound was immediately apparent. And no tube hassles- or tube rolling expenses, etc.
Maybe. A different presentation foe sure. Luxman has a great house sound. Very easy on the ears. If you wanted to delve into SET a high sensitivity speaker is your first entry point.
charles
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Emil not sure so the question. Doug good post.
charles
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My favorite? Cary 572 MkII SE. Power out the wazoo for reasonably sensitive speakers with a holographic soundstage. Beautifully turned physically and I loved the fact that those 572s produced just the amount of light in my listening room to be a perfect listening space. Voices came alive and I have never heard another amp produce the timbral and physical character of string bass, organ pedals or a P bass like them. Highs were crystal clear and pristine. I mourn.......... I am still sick that I sold them in a moment of weakness and monetary need. :duh
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i feel your pain, Dave. Beautiful looking amps.....
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My favorite SET amp is Neurochrome "Damn Good 300B." Why? Because I just bought the PCBs to build it, so it must be the best! ;)
I'll find out it's not in about a year or so. :rofl:
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For myself, my favorite SET would be 300B based and prefer parallel designs. I like the extra power while maintaining the 300B sound. Second on my list would be the 805.
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Doug s., I guess you never heard a EML XLS 300b tube. They are very dynamic and neutral almost to the point of sounding like SS.
I really like the Takatzuki 300b's. They are very natural, refined, and open. They are not slow and limited in the bass and treble. It's important that you have quality trannies of cause.
Maybe you should try and hear a well made 300b amp, before you believe what others say, IMHO.
Joe
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Different people different taste.
We have had customer(s) who want nothing but 845 and then other(s) who stand by 300B and yet other(s) for 211.
When a potential client asked what's our (my) preference, I'd always told them it's their taste that counts.
In the meantime, just keep enjoying the music.
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That's per pair, yes expensive. But your statement wasn't about price. It was of being colored not neutral.
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Pass Labs Aleph 2 monoblocks. Sound great to me.
100 watts of single ended transistor Class A MOSFET power and very reliable. After 20 years about time for a power supply recap.
Works great with the Von Schweikert Research VR-8 speakers. :D
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I agree this thread should be about persinal preferences. We all have different taste and should respect other's tatste as well. Thats what this hobby is all about.
I do like the 300B but also like other designs too. A good 6C33 design is something i could also live with and even an EL84. They all have their followings and theres no "best" tube (or even type of system....tube/SS) just like theres no best genre of music. Whatever puts a smile on our face is what matters.
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Looking at Decware Zen mono blocks. I like the 6C33C used in the Lamm but 37K, later. I have a 211 based [18W/ch]Consonance all custom SET hanging out. I will of course try that first. RCA 211s and GE 211s on hand.
The Rethms are 102db so 1.5W and up. I like Yamamoto, Shindo as well. So many to choose from it can be confusing. Hugh what you got man in SET. Bill can ya make one ?
For the bang for the buckaroonie it appears Decware is untouchable. Just never heard one. Thanks to all who have helped so far. Doug if money was NOT an issue which one would you recco ?
charles
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I was using 2a3 amp which was 3.5W with Zu Druid V (no longer being used, since I sold Druid). I also liked the sound of 6c33c amp Almaro sounded very good with the Zu Definition IV (Jim's amp). You also have the option of getting 6c33c amp from K and K Audio (http://www.kandkaudio.com/power-amplifier/)
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Looking at Decware Zen mono blocks. I like the 6C33C used in the Lamm but 37K, later. I have a 211 based [18W/ch]Consonance all custom SET hanging out. I will of course try that first. RCA 211s and GE 211s on hand.
The Rethms are 102db so 1.5W and up. I like Yamamoto, Shindo as well. So many to choose from it can be confusing. Hugh what you got man in SET. Bill can ya make one ?
For the bang for the buckaroonie it appears Decware is untouchable. Just never heard one. Thanks to all who have helped so far. Doug if money was NOT an issue which one would you recco ?
charles
Charles,
I thought you already knew what we have? ;)
Anywho, take your pick among Integrated from AN211, AN300B, AN845 to Monos from M845, PM845, MN845.
What's your poison?
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Hugh,
I thought you had parallel 2a3 integrated also or am I thinking about parallel 2a3?
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Hi Charles. Yes, I can make one. I have designed a few SET amps over the years but as you know, focused primarily on preamps. Probably the best. 300B amps I have heatd to date are the 18.watt Purity PSE 300B Ultra mono blocs. Keep mind mind I am biased as I they were designed based on what myself and my partner believe would be how an amp of this nature should sound as well as some very unique technologies that went into this design. I would have to say these are the best amp I have built over the years. Unfortunately, not exactly cheap.
(http://www.purityaudiodesign.com/Purity%20Audio%20ETM%201.jpg)
I do have other 300B single ended as well as EL84 based pieces I build but I did not design these. I have no problems working with other's designs (in conjunction with the designer of course) if i beleive in it. Pride does not get in the way here.
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..........theres no "best" tube (or even type of system....tube/SS) just like theres no best genre of music. Whatever puts a smile on our face is what matters.
Now you're talking my language! :thumb:
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Slagle custom designed and built the output transformers on tye Purity PSE 300B monos mentioned above. :drool:
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CHARLIE,
If money is no object how about having Slagle build you a pair of amps using his transformers, maybe go for silver, oh my!
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Charlie,
If I remember correctly I believe you are Rethm dealer, if yes why not take a look at their tube amp as one of the option which is based around 6c33 with 6922 in preamp section? According to Rethm website it is called Gaanam.
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Hugh,
I thought you had parallel 2a3 integrated also or am I thinking about parallel 2a3?
D,
Yes, we do have the AB22 which is an integrated 2A3.
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Charlie,
If I remember correctly I believe you are Rethm dealer, if yes why not take a look at their tube amp as one of the option which is based around 6c33 with 6922 in preamp section? According to Rethm website it is called Gaanam.
Thanks and a wonderful integrated amp which I rep as well. Looking for mono blocks.
charles
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charles, sometimes it's not just about money. i really like the almarro a205a mkii and the audio mirror 6c33c based mono blocks. even if money were no object. they are both just damned nice sounding amps. i know the folks at 6 moons favorably compared the a205a/a205a mkii's w/the yamamoto a-08, fwiw. i'd also consider the almarro 6c33c-based a318b, even tho i have never heard it, cuz it also gets great reviews, and i like that tube in my audio mirrors. when my audio mirrors were swapped out with rim's modded asl hurricanes driving his vmps rm40's above 280hz, they were at least as good, imo. and both the audio mirror's and the almarro sounded fantastic driving the 97db/1w efficient 14 ohm rated coincident victory's i used to own.
other things to consider are that the 6c33c tube amps can double as space heaters in the winter; not such a nice feature in the summer. ;) and w/more power, they may be more versatile than something like the 5wpc a205a mkii. but, with the rethms, 5wpc should be more than enough, especially w/the rethm's active low end.
other amps that i'd really want to try are antique sound labs, ming da, radii audio; that use the 805, 845, or 811 tubes. i haven't the time or money to hear them all, but they all get good comments, and they all tick the boxes important to me regarding power, distortion figures and less than ridiculous prices. here's another example, besides those audio mirror amps on audio circle:
http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649371134-antique-sound-labs-1006845-dt-custom-mono-bloc-amplifiers-with-upgrades/ (http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649371134-antique-sound-labs-1006845-dt-custom-mono-bloc-amplifiers-with-upgrades/)
and new:
(300b's, but not output tubes):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/361537068450 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/361537068450)
www.ebay.com/itm/171945264275 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/171945264275)
and just one comment about some of these amps with built-in "preamp" volume controls, like my almarro a205a mkii. i never use it that way, it's always used as an amp; preamp plugged into one of its sources, and its volume pot max'd out. which means its preamp circuitry is pretty-much gone from having a sonic imprint.
doug s.
Looking at Decware Zen mono blocks. I like the 6C33C used in the Lamm but 37K, later. I have a 211 based [18W/ch]Consonance all custom SET hanging out. I will of course try that first. RCA 211s and GE 211s on hand.
The Rethms are 102db so 1.5W and up. I like Yamamoto, Shindo as well. So many to choose from it can be confusing. Hugh what you got man in SET. Bill can ya make one ?
For the bang for the buckaroonie it appears Decware is untouchable. Just never heard one. Thanks to all who have helped so far. Doug if money was NOT an issue which one would you recco ?
charles
Doug thanks again for the informative post. Money does not make better. Better is just better regardless of price. Thats why Decware looks so interesting. Audio Mirror as well.
charles
charles
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CHARLIE,
If money is no object how about having Slagle build you a pair of amps using his transformers, maybe go for silver, oh my!
Mike it is but I thought I would just ask anyway. Throwing money at things as you well know does not always cure the ills. Really how much better could the Lamm be against the Decware ? 15X better, I doubt it. But but if it is purer tonality and harmonic structure and the money is not an issue then I would go for it. It is always the money, isnt it with everything.
charles
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Can u return the decware if you don't like it?
It seems the decware is held in high regard by the decware fanboys, that doesn't mean it is not good, but sometimes we have to take things with a grain of salt.
We all know what I mean...........be a shrewd shopper
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Honestly charlie if those chinese consanence amps work out keep em, because those speakers will need some really good amps to shine, and really good set will cost you coin, because set is all about those transformers, and good transformers cost. Its the price you have to pay to be a member of the SET club.
Maybe ask Mark, the Rethym rep from Well Pleased Audio if he could hook you up with people he sold those speakers to and what they are using, since he is the importer he should know very well what works, since no one here in the US would have more experience with those speakers than him..
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Honestly charlie if those chinese consanence amps work out keep em, because those speakers will need some really good amps to shine, and really good set will cost you coin, because set is all about those transformers, and good transformers cost. Its the price you have to pay to be a member of the SET club.
Maybe ask Mark, the Rethym rep from Well Pleased Audio if he could hook you up with people he sold those speakers to and what they are using, since he is the importer he should know very well what works, since no one here in the US would have more experience with those speakers than him..
Mike just asking around. I have a plan. I know what works with them was just curious what others have used tube wise. Meaning 2A3, 50,45,211 300B, etc.
I will either own the Lamm or Berning ZOTL 10W. We will be showing Rethm and Linear Tube Audio at the NY show. However wanted to try different amps. My Consonance amps work fine. That is what I'll be using at first. After the 500 hour break-in then we will try others.
Fi works real well, Air Tight another. The Lamm IMHO is King but 37K list. We will try as many as possible. I started out with single driver and SET. Strayed to planars, Line Source all VG but I just miss the SET/Single driver combo.
Now that I found a speaker that goes down to 18HZ in one box I'm in. That was why I strayed. Most single driver speakers do not go low enough for me. I just do not want outboard subs, crossovers and the like to deal with anymore. Keep it simple.
charles
charles
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Charlie,
You might like these..Lamhorns..I almost bought a pair...very very good and great bass, and very simple no subwoofers with plate amps inside, especially for the music you like.
You probably can't get a discount like the rethyms, but maybe a used pair?
I heard them with 300b's and they sounded great :thumb: and made here in the US!
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Charlie,
You might like these..Lamhorns..I almost bought a pair...very very good and great bass, and very simple no subwoofers with plate amps inside, especially for the music you like.
You probably can't get a discount like the rethyms, but maybe a used pair?
I heard them with 300b's and they sounded great :thumb: and made here in the US!
Mike my quest for the SET amp is for the Rethm Saadhana speaker. Two reasons first Rollo Audio will be the dealer for the east coast. Second my first love is SET/High Sensitivity speaker. Love planars as well but not as much, so the change.
Trying to kill two birds with one stone. I own a 211 based SET, heard 300B,50,101,45,2A3 SET amps. Just not sure which tube I prefer. The Saadhana is 102Db, 18HZ to 20KHZ. Needs only 1.5W to boot.
We will be doing the NY and CAF with Linear Tube Audio and Rethm. However my quest again is two fold the ultimate choice in synergy for my personal listening and then for sales. I refuse to settle on any audio component just because I sell them or get trade discounts. I try to have components on hand that I actually use and can easily recommend.
The top choices so far are Border Patrol,Rethm, Lamm, Berning, Yamamoto, Melody, Decware. Lots to choose from and that is my issue right now. The search continues. Thanks for the input.
charles
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Charlie,
You might like these..Lamhorns..I almost bought a pair...very very good and great bass, and very simple no subwoofers with plate amps inside, especially for the music you like.
You probably can't get a discount like the rethyms, but maybe a used pair?
I heard them with 300b's and they sounded great :thumb: and made here in the US!
Mike my quest for the SET amp is for the Rethm Saadhana speaker. Two reasons first Rollo Audio will be the dealer for the east coast. Second my first love is SET/High Sensitivity speaker. Love planars as well but not as much, so the change.
Trying to kill two birds with one stone. I own a 211 based SET, heard 300B,50,101,45,2A3 SET amps. Just not sure which tube I prefer. The Saadhana is 102Db, 18HZ to 20KHZ. Needs only 1.5W to boot.
We will be doing the NY and CAF with Linear Tube Audio and Rethm. However my quest again is two fold the ultimate choice in synergy for my personal listening and then for sales. I refuse to settle on any audio component just because I sell them or get trade discounts. I try to have components on hand that I actually use and can easily recommend.
The top choices so far are Border Patrol,Rethm, Lamm, Berning, Yamamoto, Melody, Decware. Lots to choose from and that is my issue right now. The search continues. Thanks for the input.
charles
Well Charles,
You can be our East Coast Dealer if You so choose. 8)
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Ya never know. Hugh are you doing the NY show ??
charles