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Offline richidoo

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Dissonance
« on: August 28, 2014, 01:52:31 PM »
Who here likes dissonant music?

Dissonance can be used as a deliberate aural insult to the listener, like burnout jazz or punk rock where they deliberately play whatever the fuck they feel like without regard to any musical rules, harmony, composition, mood, whatever. It is the sound of confusion, chaos, anger or boredom, it is usually not intellectual although some supposed artists claim it to be so, and the art critics doth proclaim it so to hoist their own petard in association with the new cool 'modern' sound. It happens in every music genre, every decade or so, probably going back to drummers in mesopotamia and central africa who couldn't keep the beat so they invented a "new artform."

The other kind of dissonance is very high art indeed. It is sophisticated harmony of the highest order. It can evoke the most powerful and serious emotions in the listener who is able to open to the strong stimulus.  Some of the greatest modern composers (>1900) use dissonance very artfully to portray the feelings of war, anguish, regret, and in some cases even joy, newness, creative impulse.

Maybe dissonance is an acquired taste to listeners not yet weened off the simple and primitive I-IV-V harmony of popular music. Dissonant harmonies have been the musical vegetables for all great musicians who listen to music above their own abillities. It opens the mind to new possibilities.

Classical composers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries like Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Stravinski were famous for their enlightened grasp of dissonance as compositional element. They made dissonance cool, and their prodigies emulated them, even in other genres like jazz and blues. Blues notes are by definition dissonant, they conflict with the underlying chord to evoke a stronger emotional response than just the straight melody.

In the 1940s, jazz experimenters mixed blues, pop and the edgiest classical innovations to come up with a new set of rules for instrumental improvisation. They employed dissonant harmonies and melodic phrases in extreme dissonance with the root chord to once again evoke a passionate response from young listeners whose minds were open to the new and sophisticated sound. Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Thelonious Monk, Bud Powell were the pointy end of the movement. Their pushing the boundaries of harmonic invention influenced the popular and classical music of the 60s and into the modern era. Pop and rock musicians of the last 60 years all drank deeply from the well of rich, dissonant harmonies left to them by Powell and Monk, Stravinsky. Bands like Zeppelin, Queen, even later Beatles used darker more colorful harmonies (sitar anyone?) to elicit extreme emotional response from young people. Minor keys are in effect a mild form of dissonance. Blues is stronger with flatted 3rds and sharp 9, occasional sharp 11, bebop is much stronger with tensions applied to alternate chords making extremely divergent harmony played over the pop tunes of the day in a "fuck you" kind of rebellious way that 1940s teenagers loved. Blues took over pop with elvis, then pop sweetened again with early Beatles only to go dark with dissonance of the hard rock bands of the 70s. In this time jazz had dumped traditional harmony and was  fully submerged in dissonance, some of it the BS variety from those who would be Miles, but much of it was serious music.

We are just leaving a period of sweet candy music like the late 30s, early 60s and late 70s, with minimal dissonance, maximum commercialism. Justin Bieber and Katy Perry, Gaga. Before that rap was a mostly completely dissonant art, which invoked a very passionate response from its adherents while as most dissonant music does, pissing off the traditional music establishment, all of who were ensnared yb the power of dissonance in their own youth. We should expect a new wave of dissonant music to literally "pop up" in the next few years - pop into the foreground of current popular music, and start a new serious musical movement.

Meanwhile, out of the bright light of current pop, there are always experimental artists pushing the boundaries, from these will emerge the future pop trends.

Today while driving errands I heard playing on one of my local jazz stations a tune called "Echoes" by Steve Lehman, from his album "Travail, Transformation and Flow."



The whole track is sampled on his webpage:
http://www.stevelehman.com/music
Scroll down, or search page for echoes."  I've not yet sampled the other tracks. This tune was able to penetrate my heart, open me up to a new idea and feeling. It is always enjoyable and expansive to find new music, it opens up a new doorway to walk through.  A new opportunity to grow spiritually, enabled by great music.

I also love Vincent Persichetti, his dissonant compositions are some of the most intense yet accessible dissonant music. I love his Sonatas for Harpsichord written in the 60s-70s? He was another seeker, ignoring the popular trends, digging for gold where he knew it was to be found, in the darkness of dissonant harmonies.

Modern movie soundtracks are replete with heavy dissonance. The sound of an alien space ship is a low frequency dissonant chord played with squarewave patch on a synth. Even epic productions like Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, etc are full of dissonant and minor key melodies and harmonies. This is what people want. They want to feel the full force of music acting upon them. Only dissonant, advanced harmonies can do that.

Do you like dissonance in your music?

What artists?  What genres, what time period?

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Re: Dissonance
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2014, 03:04:20 PM »
I remember sitting at the piano, feeling like I was in a strange mood, playing a piece of music and getting frustrated when I suddenly broke away from what I was playing and starting to hit the keys with the palm of my hand for emphasis. I had my 4 track sitting next to the piano so I turned it on and just began playing percussively and not paying too much attention to a key signature. It was all about the rhythm and not about a tune. It sounded pretty good as I was playing it. There was just "something: there that I couldn't identify.

Later on, playing it back I can say that I did in fact capture something different. Very spontaneous. Very much a "feeling" and an emotion and less of a "song" structure.

I've heard a lot of ambient music, and I can say you just have to be in the right frame of mind to appreciate it. It's not for every day. There are quite a few artists who try to deliver this and very few who succeed IMO. Not necessarily because they didn;t deliver what they were trying to do, but probably ore about what the listener was ready for at any given point in time.

There are quite a few bands that try to incorporate dissonance into their music. Usually in a classically oriented style. The one I seem to like the most recently is a "prog" band called Kotebel.

But there's an old school band called Gentle Giant who did this better than most anyone else I've ever heard.
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Re: Dissonance
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2014, 05:56:44 PM »
Thanks Professor for posting this topic very interesting yet again. I will reply in more detail in a bit after getting caught up with stuff.

Your post led me to look through the net about Dissonance and there have been some lively discussions about this through the years. From Mozart, The Beatles, The Rolling Stone to even Slayer and Killswitch Engage Dissonance has been discussed.

I found this really interesting video regarding Dissonance. Charles Ives the pianist really loved using Dissonance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPypnrXR8iQ

I believe in the video there is talk of Dissonance with Gershwin's music. I have to dig through my records and CDs to see if I can find the examples.

Dissonance to me seems to be used in horror movie soundtracks. I can't place the exact ones though.


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Re: Dissonance
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2014, 10:08:15 PM »
Nice video Sleepy.

Here's a good example of Bud Powell reharmonizing a Monk tune, the way Monk taught him to do, filling up every space in the chord with dissonant, technically "wrong" notes, and the effect is magical. To Bud and Monk, the notes had a purpose, they were not wrong. Listen to the .wav on a high resolution system and the interaction of the notes in the midrange is very moving. It is the drug of hard core dissonance in an easy to swallow tablet.
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Rhythm and melody are right off the lead sheet, only the harmony is changed. You will hear him occasionally putting the most dissonant notes in the bass where they absolutely should never go, according to any music conservatory, even jazz schools like Berklee. Listen into the chords deeply to the center of the thickness you will hear the wrong notes, and how beautiful they sound in context. Modern film composers and mood music for TV and commercials always put the harmonic tensions in the bass, because that's how they pull your heartstrings. Notice how the wrong notes make you feel emotionally. It might take a few listens to open up emotionally to the harmony if you are not a seasoned jazz listener used to focusing on the harmony nectar.

Other favorite examples of delicious dissonance in other genres?

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Re: Dissonance
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2014, 03:17:17 PM »
I finally found another example of Dissonance.

Nine Inch Nails Hurt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvJKVKglIRs

It is very subtle and more pronounced in the beginning.

Dissonance does take a bit of getting used too. I keep thinking the artist who uses it made a mistake in playing the music but then when I hear it throughout the song I realize it is intentional. I'm too used to the harmonic nectar.

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Re: Dissonance
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 11:11:49 AM »
Do you like modern classical music, like Stravinski and such? Then you have likely heard dissonance.

Then you should check out:
-Charles Ives: "The Unanswered Question"
- Richard Strauss: "Elektra"
- Jean Sibelius: "Symphony No. 4"
- Arnold Schoenberg: "Pierrot Lunaire"
- Virgil Thomson/Gertrude Stein: "Four Saints in Three Acts"
- Aaron Copland: Piano Variations
- John Cage and Karlheinz Stockhausen: (quite a lot actually)
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Re: Dissonance
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 01:22:32 PM »
I heart dissonance! Its like a hearty meal in the realm of music.
Ben Frost, By the Throat is a great example of dissonance.

The Swans
To be kind

Husker Du
New Day rising

Ministry
The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste

Jesus and Mary Chain
Psycho Candy

Joy Division
Unknown Pleasures

Its cool ndude.

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Re: Dissonance
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2015, 08:57:35 AM »
Morning everyone

Would this song classify as dissonance? It is I Miss You from Adele's 25 album.

I think the drumming is the dissonant part of the song. I just feel it doesn't go or is off. When I first heard the track I thought of this topic but couldn't remember the name. I'm listening to it now on my system and I still think it is off but the song overall is cool.

If this song is an example of Dissonance it is definitely an acquired taste.

Thanks

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Re: Dissonance
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2016, 08:15:06 PM »
http://theweek.com/articles/639280/science-why-like--dislike--certain-music

The appeal of dissonance is a cultural preference, not a genetic or universal preference.