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The Market => Group Buys, Groupons, and Tours => Topic started by: richidoo on June 16, 2007, 08:23:39 AM
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Welcome to Round 2. Buyer in round one and participants in the Grover Cables demo tour have posted their impressions of these fine cables in various forums on AN:
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?board=13.0
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?board=36.0
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?board=40.0
This 2nd and final round of the Group Buy ends June 30, 2007.
The Discount is fixed at 30%, same as round 1.
Group buy available to AN members only. Please join us!!
Below is the list of Grover's Interconnects (IC's) that are included in the group-buy and their regular price:
Length....................RCA.........XLR.........Digital RCA
.5m.......................$130........$195........$75
1m,.......................$150........$220........$90
1.5m,....................$170........$245........$105
2m,.......................$190........$270........$120
2.5m, cables…........$210........$295........$135
3m........................$230........$320........$150
Payment and Shipping:
Shipping is $5 per pair up to 2 pairs, $2 per pair thereafter. ($10 for 2 pairs, $12 for 3, $14 for 4, etc.)
International orders add $20 extra. I will refund any difference after shipment.
Email your order details to GroverGB@audionervosa.com.
Send your order and your money so they arrive before June 30, 2007.
Send Paypal payments to email address "911rich at bellsouth.net"
To calculate your total:
1. Multiply Quantity of cable pairs by the price
2. Subtract discount (total merchandise sum * 0.70)
3. Add shipping cost as described above
4. Add 3% for Paypal Fee to get total payment
Copy and paste the following into an email and submit your order to GroverGB@AudioNervosa.com:
Full Name:
Address:
Cable Type and Termination: RCA pair or Digital ….. XLR or Single Ended
Length:
Cost per each:
Subtotal before discount (quantity times list price):
Subtract Discount (Subtotal - 30%):
Add Shipping:
Add Paypal (add 3% after adding shipping):
Total Payment:
Note: Paypal is the preferred payment method. Please copy and paste what you put in your email into the notes of the Paypal payment.
If you can't or won't use Paypal, I will accept United States Postal Service money order.
Thanks,
Rich
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Question (actually two) regarding the digital cable:
1) Is this a 75-ohm design?
2) Can it be made with a BNC on one end, or only RCA?
Thanks....
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Hi Richard
I will email Grover that we are doing the second round now so he can nose in on us once in a while, but in the meantime, contact him directly for specific answers.
groverhuffman@hotmail.com
You will need to get custom price from him anyway. Make sure it is OK to do a special order in the group buy. If you would like to listen to my RCA ICs in your system, let me know.
Rich
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The digital cable is a 75 ohm design, and can be made with BNC for an extra charge.
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Sent my order... now where's my cables... :lol:
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Not there yet? Hmmmm. They should be there by now. ;) I shipped them by 3rd class bulk mail.
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I'll go for a special RCA to XLR cable this time.
Just emailed Grover to ask.
BTW, I'm very happy with his RCA cable in my tubed setup, but when I tried them between my SS processor and amplifier sound went a bit edgy on the top end. Though, I must confess I haven't put on them more then 15 hours yet, so it's probably too early to say...
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Hey Rich I need another pair of cables, hope its not a problem to just add to my order.
Should do so later tonight.
Thanks.
mjosef
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Grover,
Are your balanced interconnects truly balanced (signal +, signal -, and ground) or do you simply attach an XLR connector to what is otherwise a single-ended IC?
The question was raised in the first group buy thread, but I don't recall it being addressed.
Thanks.
-Jim
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Hi everyone, My balanced cables are custom balanced cables.
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Hi everyone, My balanced cables are custom balanced cables.
That's a response, but it doesn't answer the question. I can strip a power cord from a lamp, put XLR connectors on it and call it a "custom balanced cable", but my saying so doesn't make it true.
Here's a definition of "Balanced" (as it applies to interconnects :wink:) from The Recording Website (http://www.recordingwebsite.com/articles/cables.php) -
"Balanced cables have 2 audio conduction wires and one ground wire. What happens here is that the audio information starts at the connector and is split down both the high and low wires 180 degrees out of phase from each other. Then the audio on both wires is summed up again at your console or gear by a balancing circuit."
And here's one from our friends at Audioholics (http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/balanced-vs-unbalanced-interconnects/balanced-vs-unbalanced-interconnects-page-2) -
"In a balanced interconnect system both of the signal conductors have an equal, and non-zero, impedance to ground. Therefore, three conductors are required, signal+, signal-, and ground or shield."
As you can see, different verbiage was used, but the definitions agree. That being the case, will you now tell me - and others who may be interested - whether or not your "balanced" cables meet with the requirements set forth in the above definitions?
I'm not asking for trade secrets. I just want to know whether or not I can in good conscience recommend your balanced cables.
-Jim
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Hi Rich I sent another payment for an additional cable.
AM I the only one ordering???
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Grover,
Are your balanced interconnects truly balanced (signal +, signal -, and ground) or do you simply attach an XLR connector to what is otherwise a single-ended IC?
The question was raised in the first group buy thread, but I don't recall it being addressed.
Thanks.
-Jim
I must admit that I would like to know this also as I have had a few people ask if I knew in the past.
Grover?
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Rich:
I saw the thread from AcidJazz and thought I would drop a note that I ordered two ICs yesterday. Boy, this bug has bitten in a very serious way. I can hear every change I have made to my system with the Monitor Audio 9is. I can hardly wait until the new speakers arrive!
Ken
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Rich:
I saw the thread from AcidJazz and thought I would drop a note that I ordered two ICs yesterday. Boy, this bug has bitten in a very serious way. I can hear every change I have made to my system with the Monitor Audio 9is. I can hardly wait until the new speakers arrive!
Ken
Monitor Audio 9i's are one of my favorite speakers! I use to run 4 in a 5.1 setup before moving on to the GR's and then the GS60's. All very good speakers! :D
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I have owned the Monitor Audio 9is for approximately 3 to 4 years and used them for my main fronts in HT with a Monitor Audio Studio Series Center Channel. I was totally happy with the speakers in HT driven by a Denon 3806 AVR. Then one day my wife and I put in a CD and, well, the speakers were not dynamic, they actually sounded pretty bad. I think I then started seriously browsing the HT sites on the web and somehow came across AudioCircle. On the Circle I learned that the problem with my speakers was probably not the speakers but was the weak amp section in the Denon AVR. Since then I have purchased 2 Odyssey Mono SEs, an Odyssey Candela, a Squeezebox 3, a linear Elpac Power Supply, had Wayne of Bolder do the Analog Mods with Platinum Caps to the S3 and mod the power supply and purchased SP Technology Timepiece 2.1s. The Grovers will replace Bolder and Groneburg ICs. Next purchase will be new speaker cables and then power cords (a friend has recommended Black Sands Power Cords and Straley Speaker Cables). Oh, I forgot as I was collecting the pieces I "had" to purchase amps stands, speaker stands and racks from Core Furniture. You know what, I be darn, the Monitor Audio 9is now sound so good for music (with the amps, preamps and Modded S3) I am becoming less annoyed at the long wait for the Timepieces.
Sorry, but just had to get the above off my chest! I listen to the music and say to myself, damn that sounds great and then I think it should because I have the equivalent of the cost of a 200HP Outboard sitting in my living room. Thinking of it in that way --- wish I could use it to catch a lunker!
Ken
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Yes the balanced cables are true balanced cables in every way. They use silver connectors, 2 equal indentical signal conductors and a seperate ground. Is there anyone out there that makes balanced cables in any other way? The signal conductors and the ground conductor are copper silver hybrids.
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I thought the same thing, Grover. How else could they be made? The connectors are pretty straightforward... 3 pins, signals on one row and the ground on the second row...
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Is there anyone out there that makes balanced cables in any other way?
Yes, there is. You're naïve if you think you'd be the first manufacturer to try and pass off SE cables w/ XLR connectors as balanced cables.
That you ignored the first inquiry and offered nothing substantive in your initial response to the second did nothing to engender confidence in the construction of your cables. Thank you for (finally) providing clarification.
Given how difficult it is for you to acknowledge me or my posts, would you prefer I stop recommending your cables?
-Jim
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Double Ugly, You have helped me. I'm not ignoring your posts, I'm just really busy, and don't read the forums that often. Please except my apologies. Please don't be mad. I personally do not know of any manufactures that pass off SE cables as Balanced. Why would they the cables would sound awful. You’re my friend.
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Given how difficult it is for you to acknowledge me or my posts, would you prefer I stop recommending your cables?
Is it just me or was that a little harsh? I would figure he is a pretty busy guy and he did answer your question...
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Shot at 2007-06-28
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Given how difficult it is for you to acknowledge me or my posts, would you prefer I stop recommending your cables?
Is it just me or was that a little harsh? I would figure he is a pretty busy guy and he did answer your question...
Given what you know of our interactions, it's entirely reasonable for you to feel that way.
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Shot at 2007-06-28
:lol: I'm all for it, John. I may even break down and buy a couple pair of Grover's cables.
Considering my position on that matter up till now, I'd say that's getting along pretty friggin' well, wouldn't you? :wink:
-Jim
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I have been away on vacation for a week. I have received a good handful of orders and I will generate a spreadsheet to display GB status, hopefully by today.
Rich
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Jim, given what has gone on in the past, I must say that I'm a little shocked you may be picking up a few pairs of Grover's ic's. :shock:
Whatever your reasons, good for you on putting what happened behind you or at the very least, looking the other way long enough to buy a few sets! :lol:
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It's good to see so many noted phools commenting positively on Grover's cables.
I placed my order today and can't wait to see how the balanced XLR does in my system. In the past I have used RCA Single ended cables that came recommended highly such as Chimera, Jaden, and Pulsars. All great cables.
cheers
Bixby
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Hey Rich
I'm 99% sure I'll be buying at least 1 pair of 1.5 m single ended. Haven't emailed Grover yet, though. Was going to pick up another pair of I/C's from a European manufacturer, but their new prices floored me.... :roll:
Oh well......
Nick
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Hi Nick,
I haven't heard Grover's latest cable, and I don't know to which European manufacturer you're referring. Even so, I'd be surprised if Grover's ICs aren't at least their equal.
FWIW...
-Jim
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Hi Jim
Based on most reports, my brief listening sessions and your good ears, getting the Grover's is quite the good deal. I'll "spill the beans" soon on the Euro company. Either I misread their pricing or they are way behind in keeping their prices current. I've sent a followup email to them and am hoping for a timely response.
Nick
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Just put in an order for a couple pairs. I look forward to hearing them in my system, seems from comments in other threads that these will work well with Odyssey gear. It's also a plus that the reported burn-in time for these ICs is much more moderate than some other things I own.
Thanks to all for putting this opportunity together.
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I placed my order today and can't wait to see how the balanced XLR does in my system. In the past I have used RCA Single ended cables that came recommended highly such as Chimera, Jaden, and Pulsars. All great cables.
Interestingly enough, I ordered 2 pair tonight - one RCA, one XLR - to compare in my system.
While I'd love to compare an XLR version of my current favorite cable to the SE version I own, it isn't remotely economically feasibly. I haven't heard the cable I ordered tonight, but if it's anything like the cable two (3?) versions ago, I have little doubt I'll be able to accurately determine whether or not balanced cables improve the sound.
I still have certain reservations, but none are related to the cables themselves. They're excellent IMO, better than anything I've auditioned at 10x their price point.
-Jim
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Hi Nick,
I haven't heard Grover's latest cable, and I don't know to which European manufacturer you're referring. Even so, I'd be surprised if Grover's ICs aren't at least their equal.
FWIW...
-Jim
Hi Jim
Well, the Euro manufacturer is Lessloss, the same folks that make the DAC 2004. It was my screwup on the I/C price. They list it per mono meter. Old price was 275 Euros a meter. I found their information on cable materials and geometry quite interesting. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. I was also quite curious about their PC, but that's 400 Euros for 2 meters.
They are very pleasant to deal with and quite prompt with replies to inquiries. Well, it gives me something to think about... :roll:
Regards
Nick
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Rich
Email and Paypal sent for one 1.5 m RCA I/C
Thanks
Nick
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I have finished processing the order. 27 cables so far! I am waiting on a couple questions and a couple more orders that were placed verbally to materialize. Meantime, any other last minute orders are welcome today only. Paypal only.
I will post the spreadsheet sometime today once I get a new login for FTP on the new server.
Thanks everybody who ordered!
Rich
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Rich-
Thanks for all of your organizational work on this.
Any ballpark estimate on when the cables might get shipped?
Thanks.
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Make that 31 pairs of cables!
Last time it only took a few weeks. I didn't think the delivery took too long, but some people were more excited to get theirs and were watching the male box closely :lol: I will ask for his best estimate.
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Grover Group Buy Part 2 - Order Summary Spreadsheet (http://audionervosa.com/groupbuy/GroverGBSheet2.htm)
Please check your orders carefully for any mistakes made by my secretary. ;)
Please email corrections to GroverGB at Audionervosa.com
Now I just gotta figure out how to get all that money from paypal into my bank account so I can pay Grover!
Rich
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Hey Rich I am missing a 1.5m cable from my order...sent email details.
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Rich-
Just to confirm-I am "TonyR" on the spreadsheet.
Thanks again for your work on this.
--LKdog
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Hi Tony, I finally got online this morning. Now I see your post. Thanks!!
OK, as of 10:57am EDT, July3rd, this Group Buy is officially CLOSED! No more! I give! I beg for Mercy!!
We are up to 40 pairs now, so this has been quite a successful Group buy to say the least! Got a few more payments yet to receive, but they are coming today. Congrats everyone!
Spreadsheet (http://audionervosa.com/groupbuy/GroverGBSheet2.htm) is updated to reflect corrections requested and the details of the final order. Please check it over one more time. Please send corrections or comments to GroverGB@audionervosa.com
Thanks
Rich
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Rich,
Can't you send the PayPal money direct to Grover through PayPal?
rlmacklin
Re: Grover Huffman Cables Group Buy - Round 2
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2007, 02:53:01 PM » Quote
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Grover Group Buy Part 2 - Order Summary Spreadsheet
Please check your orders carefully for any mistakes made by my secretary.
Please email corrections to GroverGB at Audionervosa.com
Now I just gotta figure out how to get all that money from paypal into my bank account so I can pay Grover!
Rich
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If you do, then Grover will also pay the % charge again. Just register one of your bank accounts with PayPal and do a transfer. There is no fee for a bank transfer.
Bryan
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Thanks guys. I finally called the bank and got the right routing number, etc. No charge for deposits, everything's AOK. Waiting on one last paypal payment and we're done.
Rich
edit: Last paypal is received.
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Yippie!
Now the countdown begins.... :lol:
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Will the cables come from directly from Grover?
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Any ETA?
:)
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I have not gotten ETA from Grover yet. I will post here when I do.
Grover ships cables to me, I ship to you.
Rich
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You're a good man, Rich :D
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You're a good man, Rich :D
i feel like a little kid waiting for Santa to arrive =P~
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You're a good man, Rich :D
i feel like a little kid waiting for Santa to arrive =P~
I know what you mean,,everday I look for the package,signs of reindeer,did Santa eat his cookies and drink his milk that I left him?Grover,Grover,Grover!!I think that I need another hobby :rofl:
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George, if you look back in the first Grover IC group buy thread, posts by our dearly departed Shep (lost his internet service in the French countryside) had the same syndrome - The Grover IC malebox watch.
If he were here he would tell you that "everything is gonna be alright."
He got his Grover cables and we haven't heard from him since. They are THAT good! :rofl:
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George is going through "withdrawal" symptoms,
as for a couple weeks or more he had a pair of latest white Grover S ICs and
two Black Sand Violet power cords of mine in his system -
which I had sent him to audition and he was sending them back yesterday...
So he knows first hand how good they are...
May Grover get the group buy orders filled quickly...
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George is going through "withdrawal" symptoms,
as for a couple weeks or more he had a pair of latest white Grover S ICs and
two Black Sand Violet power cords of mine in his system -
which I had sent him to audition and he was sending them back yesterday...
So he knows first hand how good they are...
May Grover get the group buy orders filled quickly...
If you only knew how much I miss them,,,,,, 8)
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Grover has received the check, and has begun working on our order. He promises to complete them "as quickly as possible."
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Well, that's good news..... So nose to the grindstone and 15 minute breaks and 1/2 hour lunches for Grover. Looking forward to breaking in the Grovers and the BS SR MKV cords.
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Grover has received the check, and has begun working on our order. He promises to complete them "as quickly as possible."
Thanks Rich,i cant wait to hear the Grover S cables just based on what everyone has been saying about them. 8)
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Okay... its been a couple of weeks since we've heard any news.
Has anyone received their cables yet? Any word from Grover?
Just anxious to hear little buggers.
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Okay... its been a couple of weeks since we've heard any news.
Has anyone received their cables yet? Any word from Grover?
Just anxious to hear little buggers.
Haven't rec'd mine yet. Apparently all good things come thru Rich.... :)
Nick
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I try not to look at this thread :D
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You guys are funny!! :D I will ask him to update the ETA.
Rich
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You guys are funny!! :D I will ask him to update the ETA.
Rich
Don't rush him,, at least when it comes to mine,,I want him to be relaxed,focused,with no pressure or distractions. :D :D
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Shep, thank God you're back. We need some help over here. People waiting "patiently" for their Grover cables. Do you have some sage advice?
Rich
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I am waiting patiently for my two 1M pairs of Grover S IC's. i am sure that from what i have gathered from comments from folks who have auditioned them that it will be well worth the wait. thanks....WCW III
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Heard back from Grover just now. He anticipates completing and shipping the order by end of next week, about the same amount of time that the last order required. Let's give some leeway for the realities of life and call it two weeks to be safe. He is postponing his annual vacation to complete our order, so I thanked him for all of us. I guess I better order up some boxes!?!
Rich
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He is postponing his annual vacation to complete our order, so I thanked him for all of us.
Rich
Many thanks to Grover, you, et al. The update and sacrifices are much appreciated, sometimes it seems that doesn't happen very often in this world in which we live.
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Hey Rich
My SP Tech 2.1's are shipping this week. You have all the boxes collected and ready to go for the Grovers??
Nick
PS thanks for doing all this!
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Congrats Nick! You're gonna have some fun with those! I hope to get to hear Ken's soon.
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"Shep, thank God you're back. We need some help over here. People waiting "patiently" for their Grover cables. Do you have some sage advice?
Rich"
Are you kidding??? I'm the one who burned out his cdp! What advice? I only had them in place for about 50hrs before my disaster struck. I think the operative word is patience...I don't need to bring up a sensitive topic but the term "Nervosa" is frought with meaning! You are not exactly talking to mr. patience or sage here you know...
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"Shep, thank God you're back. We need some help over here. People waiting "patiently" for their Grover cables. Do you have some sage advice?
Rich"
Are you kidding??? I'm the one who burned out his cdp! What advice? I only had them in place for about 50hrs before my disaster struck. I think the operative word is patience...I don't need to bring up a sensitive topic but the term "Nervosa" is frought with meaning! You are not exactly talking to mr. patience or sage here you know...
Want to talk about patience, cruise Dr. Xin's headphone forum (http://www.fixup.net/talk/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=4)...there are waits, and then there are waits. The current delivery time scenario for the group buy ICs is well within normal limits, IMO.
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Any info on the cables?
Thanks.
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Nope. :) Sorry.
I'm hoping they will arrive soon, maybe with speaker wire in the package for our speaker wire G2G on 25th.
Rich
EDIT! 2 seconds after I posted this, rec'd email from Grover. They are arriving at my house tomorrow. :D
YAY!
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Outstanding!
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Nope. :) Sorry.
I'm hoping they will arrive soon, maybe with speaker wire in the package for our speaker wire G2G on 25th.
Rich
EDIT! 2 seconds after I posted this, rec'd email from Grover. They are arriving at my house tomorrow. :D
YAY!
Cool. Look forward to giving them a try in my setup.
Thanks.
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Thanks, Rich. Hope you are prepped with lots of boxes and packing tape. :D
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Grovers in da house! They arrived today in good shape. A set of SCs too. Very nice. I noticed something today when I looked over the new dark color flex. I always wondered how Grover printed the logo on the shrink wrap. He doesn't, each is hand signed. 8)
(http://parkwestlake.com/nopw/rich/groverrca.jpg)
I have enough boxes, will get started tomorrow. There's about 20 packages so it may take a day or two.
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I sense a speaker cable shoot-out in the making and hope to be in attendance! :D
Ken
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Wow...I have been soooo busy, I almost forgot about the group buy...no worries in the interum. Now that I am thinking about it, can hardly wait for my cables to arrive.
:-k
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Okay, color me confused. I thought Grover switched to a white tech flex for the newest cables?
Any chance the the SCs could do a demo tour?
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"Back in Black!" Actually it is a very nice looking graphite, or carbon fiber kinda color, not pure black. It looks really cool.
SCs-anything's possible! 8)
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Do you mean that these are a bit lighter in color than the previous black models?
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I don't think I ever saw Grover's previous black wrapped ICs, only the white wrap with black or white shrink. But these aren't pure black, they are more translucent looking, more expensive looking than plain shiny black nylon techflex. They are like a dark gray, or graphite color. It doesn't show as well in that picture. The SCs are plain black, different color than the ICs.
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Grovers in da house! They arrived today in good shape. A set of SCs too. Very nice. I noticed something today when I looked over the new dark color flex. I always wondered how Grover printed the logo on the shrink wrap. He doesn't, each is hand signed. 8)
(http://parkwestlake.com/nopw/rich/groverrca.jpg)
I have enough boxes, will get started tomorrow. There's about 20 packages so it may take a day or two.
Man,they are really beautiful looking 8)
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I prefer the darker color anyway...the white would get dirty looking pretty quick.
I do hope the RCA connectors are more sturdy than the demo model..those looked like they would not hold up after some 25 plug-in and outs.
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I do hope the RCA connectors are more sturdy than the demo model..those looked like they would not hold up after some 25 plug-in and outs.
Martin.....why would you be plugging and unplugging "after some 25" times ?
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Looks like I'm going to have to wait before tearing down my system as I really want to hear these with the new setup. There's still now way I'm going to have the amp fully broken in by the time the grovers arrive, but what the hey, there'll be a new pair of Reality SCs on the way next week too, and I do have a pre-cooked quad of Valve Art KT-88s I can throw in the amp that will give me a slightly better idea of the final voicing (maybe?).
The graphite will blend in with the rest of the setup too -- much more so than the white.
Looking forward to this!
-- Jim
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My aim is to mail them all out on Monday after kids return to school from 3 week vacation. I have some boxed now but kids and company are slowing me down.
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My aim is to mail them all out on Monday after kids return to school from 3 week vacation. I have some boxed now but kids and company are slowing me down.
Kids and company can be so insensitive! :rofl:
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So I'm curious... since Grover is known for continuous quality improvement, is the only difference between these and the last all-white ICs the color or are there other changes/improvements? Can't wait to hear them!
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Grover said they are a big improvement over last rev.
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Grover said they are a big improvement over last rev.
So the White "S" is now out of date? :duh
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I do hope the RCA connectors are more sturdy than the demo model..those looked like they would not hold up after some 25 plug-in and outs.
Martin.....why would you be plugging and unplugging "after some 25" times ?
Ummm...every 2-3 months(or shorter) I sometimes rotate different stuff in and out of the system, or just to dust/clean the components and shelves, so I figure that within a year or so all the cables would get plugged in/out about 25 times...but who knows, maybe the rca connectors are sturdier than they look....the SS Bullets certainly are.
Grover said they are a big improvement over last rev.
So the White "S" is now out of date? :duh
Well going by the frequency of the improvements...by the time we receive our cables they might be outdated too... :-k
mjosef
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I thought I had read somewhere that Grover offered buyers updates to his cables. Was I mistaken?
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Anyone that was a part of the last group buy can get their cables upgraded.... Check out the last page on this thread: http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=440.0 I don't think XLR's were affected in the last update... correct me if I'm wrong...
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Carlman - nice find, I thought I'd read something...
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No problem... the next page has this:
Hi Guys, I think you'll like the improvements I've made to the RCA cables. The other cables have not changed. To receive the upgrade send the RCA cables you obtained though the 1st group buy to Grover Huffman, P.O. Box 4734, West Hills, CA. 91308. I will upgrade and return quickly. Please make sure your return address is legible.
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Yes, at that time of the last round, the improvement was in the termination and did not affect the XLR cables (which I have). I would be interested to know what's different about these new ones (other than color) relative to the all white ones.
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All shipped! (http://www.audionervosa.com/Smileys/default/eusa_dance.gif)
They went Priority Mail, insured for sale price. No signature required. Should be delivered within 5 days max.
Rich
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Rich,
Many thanks for coordinating all this!
Looks like they will arrive more or less simultaneously with my Reality SCs. That's going to be a fun day :D.
-- Jim
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No problem! You guys made it very very easy. Thanks for all the cooperation and help.
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And it looks like you now have another box to replace all those you just sent out :-).
-- Jim
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Yup, Jim's Eastern Electric Minimax Preamp with latest mods and some incredible NOS tubes just arrived. What a beautifully made piece. Thanks so much Jim!!
Rich
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Thanks for the shipping update and your effort in helping this happen.
Peace,
Dave B.
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Thanks Rich,for doing a splendid job with the round 2 Grover group buy. if everything goes according to plan i will be breaking in the Grover S's and teflon V-cap's both at the same time. :D.... WCW III
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Rich:
Thanks so very much for organizing this group buy and for the savings we have all realized. I look forward to listening for sound improvements versus the cables currently in my system?
Oh, have you had the chance to connect Grover's SCs yet? Impressions?
Thanks Again,
Ken
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Yippie! Rich, we owe you.
Guess I should be watching out for the Postman on Thursday or Friday.
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A big thanks ,Rich :D
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Received! Thanks Rich! The graphite color looks a bit better than the previous black iterations.
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Got 'em this morning. Can't wait to try them. Thanks Rich!
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Got notice of attempted delivery, but due to it being an insured package, they couldn't deliver. Could be fun trying to run out of work tomorrow and reverse the commute to try to catch the Post Office prior to closing...at least I know they're nearby safely tucked away in a Federal-type building. :-k
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Or you could pick it up Saturday..
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Mine arrived this afternoon and I didn't waste any time putting the 1.5 meter pair between my 3910 and the Cayin. Waahhhh hoooo! Immediate and startling difference between them and the Anti-ICs they replaced. Still a bit forward and edgy, but the overall tonal balance is vastly improved, as are macro and micro dynamics, better control in the bottom end and prat, prat, prat, like this system has just never had before.
I pulled out an old fave', Fleetwood Mac Rumors, and wow, what do you know -- they are actually in a recording booth, and you can hear all the subtle reverb in the vocals. Ok, I started hearing that with the Antis, but now it was clear as day, and for the first time I could hear Lindsay Buckingham taking breaths between phrases in "Secobnd Hand News". I really hope I can get enough time on them before it's time to take the whole system apart because at this point I'm very impressed (can you tell?) but I really want to hear how it all settles in.
At this point, if it never changes, it's ok, because I know a roll of the tubes can get it to just where I want it.
Thanks Rich, and thanks Grover!
-- Jim
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Rich, you da man!
Package arrived this afternoon. Box was totally crashed by USPS, I mean TOTALLY
like somebody just jumped on the box. But thanks to careful inside packing Rich did the cable survived perfectly!
Looking forward to plug it in on upcoming weekend. :D
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You guys are lucky.
Mine should show up tomorrow here in Iowa.
jrebman's report sounds promising.
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Rich, you da man!
Package arrived this afternoon. Box was totally crashed by USPS, I mean TOTALLY
like somebody just jumped on the box. But thanks to careful inside packing Rich did the cable survived perfectly!
Looking forward to plug it in on upcoming weekend. :D
Thanks, ustas 8) but all credit goes to Grover this time. He bagged them in manila padders and made reshipping very easy. I'm glad the second level of defense saved you since the free "crushproof" boxes didn't do much!! :lol: They do mellow out a bit Jim, give it a couple days. But the detail remains, tone gets a little thicker, or maybe tighter is a better word? I have no complaints even on the whites, they just sound awesome. Wish I had time to start breaking in the new ones and comparing. Maybe next week.
Rich
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Or you could pick it up Saturday..
Saturday requires more waiting. Is this forum called "Audio Nervosa" or what? :rofl:
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Or you could pick it up Saturday..
Saturday requires more waiting. Is this forum called "Audio Nervosa" or what? :rofl:
Very well said!
Bryan
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Whoa! I replaced what I thought was a nice glass toslink cable between my SB3 and Tact pre with my new Grover digital IC and I was floored. Immediately noticeable improvement... Edginess gone and replaced with a detailed yet relaxed musical presentation and definitely took my perception of what a Squeezebox can do up by several notches (this is one from John @ BS with his cryo/treatment mods).
Now, I don't fully understand how different digital cables effect sound - is it just jitter issues or more? But whatever it is, thank you, Grover and Rich!
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In a digital (coax) connection, the quality of the connector and almost more importantly, the quality of the connection from wire to connector can make a huge difference in sound. SPDIF coax is particularly touchy with impedance issues.
Bryan
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Duke tried the Grover demo tour analog RCAs as digital interconnects between his DCs stack components. He did not hear any improvement over his pricier digital cables. I suggested he ask Grover if they are built differently than analogs, but I don't remember the answer. Glad to hear the grover digitals made a noticable improvement for you Mike. I can't wait to hear it. We have some DACs (Oracle, and new Scott Nixon) and super digital cables coming on Saturday, maybe bring it by if you decide to come?
You do know all digital cables sound the same, right? ;) 1's and zeros..... hahaha
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goe em'' grovers in da house,,, thanks Rich,,,easiest transaction I've made,,thanks to you--you "da" man :D
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I just went to the post office and picked up my Grover S IC's.They look pretty Slick!
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Sneaked in to the post office 15 min. before closing, picked up, and subsequently installed my two pairs of Grover ICs. For what it's worth, from what I'm hearing initially, there's definitely burn-in needed. (I note my previous ICs were coated with Walker SST, but I installed the Grovers sans SST. After the Grover's have about 100 hours on them, I'll get busy with the SST and listen to what differences are present.) So, seems I'll have to give the ICs some extended 24/7 time on the system before coming to any conclusions, which is not totally unexpected.
Many thanks again to Rich, Grover, and this forum for making the Group Buy a smooth adventure in trying something new. Peace, and Happy Listening.
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Just got my Grovers today and they arrived in great shape. I like the grey look...much prefer that to white. Will get 'em hooked up tonight and report my initial impressions soon. BTW, these cables look very similar to my old Tekline I/C's I've been using since I sold my Reality I/C's. The Tekline actually had more detail and presence than the Realitys. Thanks for doing this, Rich.
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Maybe it would be good to start a new separate thread on this iteration of Grover IC's and people can post their impressions on that thread exclusively.
Just a thought. :-k
Have one pair hooked up from source to preamp.
Will hook up the other pair from preamp to monoblocks later tonight.
Thanks for your help Rich.
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Received my yesterday...the Postman woke me up early...around 8am :lol:
Plugged one in late last night but was too tired to pay attention...they sure look great...just switched back in my main amp after using an alternative for the past couple months, so will have to delay impressions for a couple weeks or so.
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Well, let me get to the point........these are wonderful cables!! I have been listening for a few hours and have been entranced in the music :D/
The Grovers resolve beautifully. The midrange is rich and the treble is detailed, refined and non-fatiguing. The texture of the instruments is realistic and "organic". The presentation is forward..you have a front row seat. These IC's are a steal for the price. They are so good I have a new found respect for my CIA D200 amps. I won't forget to mention that IMHO, the foundation for this are the 3 Black Sand SRMK5 power cords I recently inserted in the system. The sound was deliciously good tonight and this is with my current Zalytron Aria 7 MTM speakers. I have my new SP Tech 2.1's sitting in the hall waiting for me to finish painting the unfinished stands.
My sincere thanks to Carl, Rich and Grover :beer:
PS If the moderators want to move this to a new thread, pls do so.
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Nick.....
Have you listened to your SP Tech speakers yet ? Thanks........
Chris
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Nick.....
Have you listened to your SP Tech speakers yet ? Thanks........
Chris
Not yet, Chris. The unfinished veneer on the posts had some minor scratches and gouges and I've been filling that in with many thin layers. Then the repeated sanding and priming. It's a royal PITA as I dislike doing that kind of work. It should be all ready by Sunday...I hope.
Nick
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Nick.....
Have you listened to your SP Tech speakers yet ? Thanks........
Chris
Not yet, Chris. The unfinished veneer on the posts had some minor scratches and gouges and I've been filling that in with many thin layers. Then the repeated sanding and priming. It's a royal PITA as I dislike doing that kind of work. It should be all ready by Sunday...I hope.
Nick
Chris and Nick:
I am planning to wrestle my Timepieces in the 100 degree heat into my car and take them over to Richidoo's G2G tonight. I am interested to hear how they will sound in Rich's treated room with a higher-end music source (I still have a ways to go to get my S3 where I eventually want it). Also, looking forward to hearing the Grover SC's versus other cables and to meeting Rich and the other local guys. Of course I will be interested in their educated feedback on a pair of Timepieces with all of the lastest upgrades.
Ken
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Nick.....
Have you listened to your SP Tech speakers yet ? Thanks........
Chris
Not yet, Chris. The unfinished veneer on the posts had some minor scratches and gouges and I've been filling that in with many thin layers. Then the repeated sanding and priming. It's a royal PITA as I dislike doing that kind of work. It should be all ready by Sunday...I hope.
Nick
Chris and Nick:
I am planning to wrestle my Timepieces in the 100 degree heat into my car and take them over to Richidoo's G2G tonight. I am interested to hear how they will sound in Rich's treated room with a higher-end music source (I still have a ways to go to get my S3 where I eventually want it). Also, looking forward to hearing the Grover SC's versus other cables and to meeting Rich and the other local guys. Of course I will be interested in their educated feedback on a pair of Timepieces with all of the lastest upgrades.
Ken
Great.....should be fun.... plus you get a workout moving and lifting...I know....did it many times....have a great time....and hope we get some photo's. :beer:
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With almost two full days of 24/7 playing time on my two pairs of Grover ICs, I have to say it's pretty frickin' sick how good these ICs now sound in my system. I'm even putting off applying SST on these because I don't want to interrupt the musical flow. Grover, many thanks for a kick a@@ product! :beer: :beer: :beer:
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djbnh-
Thanks for the comments.
Can you elaborate a bit?
I started a separate thread linked below and am anxious to hear impressions as they break in.
I have a pair from source to preamp and also from preamp to amp.
Mine were very smooth initially, then have become a bit edgy for a bit. I have about 36-40 hours on them.
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=597.msg5583;topicseen#msg5583 (http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=597.msg5583;topicseen#msg5583)
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I am breaking in both my Grover S ICs and my BAT VK60 power amplifer with.22 V-cap TFTF coupling capacitors installed.after 22 hours of burn in it sounds like i have a brand new ultra high performance amplifier in my system 8).i am beside myself because of how good my system sounds.WOW! somebody pinch me so i can tell if i am dreaming :drool:
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Wow, sounds good already! That's great!! You know it's gonna get even better. Coupling cap has a big voice.
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I am breaking in both my Grover S ICs and my BAT VK60 power amplifer with.22 V-cap TFTF coupling capacitors installed.after 22 hours of burn in it sounds like i have a brand new ultra high performance amplifier in my system 8).i am beside myself because of how good my system sounds.WOW! somebody pinch me so i can tell if i am dreaming :drool:
Rock on, man... I love it when I have those moments... Times are great, enjoy them! :) :) :)
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My new Grover XLRs. Let's see I started cooking on Friday last week and work will free up on Friday morning so that's about 168 hours.
Will that be about enough before I hear the first note?
FWIW
XLR will be used from the Lavry DA-10 dac to the Bel Canto EVO 4 running in bridged mode, then out through a combo of Sonoran Plateau and Luminous Synchestra Signature speaker cable to SP Tech 2.1s.
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Which XLR's were you using before ? Thanks.....
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So are the new Grover XLRs also graphite colored? The pair I have are the white with black termination wrap. From my understanding, when Grover went to the white on white, he didn't change anything on the XLR ICs. So, of course, it begs the question of whether the latest XLRs are any different in build or sonically... Anyone with insight on this?
And, fwiw, I have no complaints about the white & black pair I have. They sound great and very much like the newer Grover graphite RCA ICs I just received. Highly detailed and perhaps a bit forward but with great transparency and dynamics.
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Lonewolf:
Current XLRs are a modest Wireworld design the Polaris 5s.
Dr. Connelly:
My XLRs are graphite, but I have no clue if they are an evolved design (from the other colors), sorry.
cheers
bixby
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Dr. Connelly:
Ah... what respect! The 'md' is really for Michael D., but you can call me Mike, or you can call me Michael or you can call me MickeyD, but ya don' have to call me Dr. Connelly. :lol:
So, Rich or Grover - is it possible to get an explanation of what changed from the white/black XLR ICs to the new graphite version? Just cosmetic?
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(http://parkwestlake.com/nopw/rich/sierra.jpg)
Grover should be back from his annual hiking vacation next week. This is a pic he took in Sierras on last years trip.
I have no clue about the XLRs. Sorry! I heard Steve's white ones at my house a month or two ago, they were really great.
Dr Connelly, I like the sound of that! hehe
Rich
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Thanks Keith for the info.... :beer:
Chris
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Dr Connelly, I like the sound of that! hehe
Hey, I'll be glad to diagnose whatever ails you, but my prescription will always be the same - increase your daily dose of music :lmc:
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Bixby-
Good info.
There is a separate thread FWIW in which folks have been giving some initial impressions over here:
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=597.45 (http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=597.45)
What is your associated equipment?
Agree on the lower range-extraordinary.
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Good info.
There is a separate thread FWIW in which folks have been giving some initial impressions over here:
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=597.45 (http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=597.45)
What is your associated equipment?
Agree on the lower range-extraordinary.
Bixby,
If you you really want to keep things organized, you can just copy your review to a new post in the thread LKDog mentioned above... then add your associated gear as well if you'd like... You can delete the post here after that.. no problem either way.
-C
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thanks Carlman, I'll do just that.
cheers
bixby
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I certainly don't want to fan the flames of your nervosa, but... What am I saying? It's payback time.
I thought all you Grover fans would be interested in what the new SC interconnects are like. In a word: Expressive. OK, not very descriptive. How about this instead: Much quieter (silent background), more transparent (better micro detail), better bass (deeper, tighter and faster), midrange (more subtle and detailed but doesn't add sibilance) and HF (no noise/hash riding the signal). Instruments have added body and weight. Vocals are to die for. This cable does tone, baby.
Frankly, if only the shielding has changed, I'm very surprised that it made this kind of difference. This cable is much more nuanced. Notes stop and start when they should.
The upgrade cost isn't much if you are looking for Grover's best. Well worth it. Burn-in took a while -- north of 100 hours in my system. But worth the wait. Never sounded bad but didn't sound balanced (midrange kinda stuck out).
Hope you give these a try. Great stuff. No commission was received for this public service announcement.
Phil
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I certainly don't want to fan the flames of your nervosa, but... What am I saying? It's payback time.
I thought all you Grover fans would be interested in what the new SC interconnects are like. In a word: Expressive. OK, not very descriptive. How about this instead: Much quieter (silent background), more transparent (better micro detail), better bass (deeper, tighter and faster), midrange (more subtle and detailed but doesn't add sibilance) and HF (no noise/hash riding the signal). Instruments have added body and weight. Vocals are to die for. This cable does tone, baby.
Frankly, if only the shielding has changed, I'm very surprised that it made this kind of difference. This cable is much more nuanced. Notes stop and start when they should.
The upgrade cost isn't much if you are looking for Grover's best. Well worth it. Burn-in took a while -- north of 100 hours in my system. But worth the wait. Never sounded bad but didn't sound balanced (midrange kinda stuck out).
Hope you give these a try. Great stuff. No commission was received for this public service announcement.
Phil
I guess i will send my graphites back to Grover for tweaking 8)
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Ok, so does anybody have an address to send them to, and does anuybody know that the cost for a 1.5m cable is, and what forms of payment he takes?
I'd like to take advantage of this while my system is idle.
TIA,
Jim
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I'd suggest sending an email to Grover for a quote... I don't know the price.
I do know his address though:
Grover Huffman, P.O. Box 4734, West Hills, CA 91308
groverhuffman at hotmail.com
-Carl
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Carl and all,
Thanks -- got everything I need now (thanks to Bill C. for the info.)
-- Jim
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just sent of some cash to Grover for the upgrade to the latest version (graphite?)
This better be good! I don't want to have to dothis every month...
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Shep,
No, you want to tell him you want the silver-carbons. The graphites were one version back from the current. The new ones will have a black jacket.
-- Jim
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I'm confused here. So which is the latest version? It appears to change from month to month. Love to audition a pair but which one and how long will it be before its modified?
rollo
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I guess way back when, there were some black ones, and then the first group buy were the White series, and the second group buy was the next in the "white" series, but was actually in a graphite colored jacket. The silver carbon is the latest, and the carbon here has to do with the shielding material, and is not related to the color "graphite". This latest version -- also called SC, I believe -- has a black jacket and is more expensive -- $225 for a 1 meter single-ended pair.
So, latest is SC (for Silver Carbon), black jacket, $225 for 1 meter RCA cable.
Hope that helps.
-- Jim
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Thanks Jim. Got it now.
rollo
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I wrote Grover for comfirmation on whatever I'm getting. Sure will be better than the nothing I have!
I thought the original group-buy whites were damn good (system dependant?) so this gotta be the goods.
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Shep,
I just wanted to confirm the info Jim conveyed (not that any is needed...). The SC are definitely the latest version and different from the "S" graphite version.
(The S 'graphite' version was provided by Grover for the second group buy.)
As Jim noted, they appear to stand for "silver carbon", because Grover is using new & improved carbon-metal shielding.
Grover seems to have slowed his mod pace now that he perhaps has reached his goal of cable excellence at an extremely competitive price point. And with his recent patent, I assume he has some business development activites underway.
Click on my gallery icon if you wish to see photos of the latest SC version.
Note: They sound amazing. A significant step up from the previous S 'graphite" version. Much blacker background, more audible sound sustain, more mid-range detail emerges due to the quieter background, very fast. Same strong clean bass and high end as before. They image fantastically well. I anticipate you will be pleased, but reactions to Grover's cables have varied a bit depending on equipment configuration. The SC's (and previous S version) match well and sound great in my analog front end / all tube system. I will be interested to read your comments.
Bill C.
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still running in. Nothing more to add. :shock:
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Thanks BillC, your comments are very helpful.
When I compared the Grover White S directly to JPS SC3 ICs I was amazined at how close these $150 wires were to the $900 competition. In the end the JPS was only marginally better in the "quietness" area. SC3 didn't ring at all and so revealed subtler details in midrange, like emotion, delicacy, stuff like that, which you wouldn't otherwise even think about. With your comments about SCs making up some ground in that black background area, Grover must be closing in on that level of performance. A little more expensive now with his SCs, but still only 25% of the cheapest of the best of the best. I too am looking forward to hearing them myself.
There was a white with black shrink, which went on tour, but I don't think it was called S. Then came White with white shrink, S. Then the graphites. Since Grover is willing to upgrade, it is a safe investment to ride the upgrades. By this time we know the mods have always been noticeable worthwhile improvements. I hope he is able to scale up easily and get the word out. A lot of people will love these.
Rich