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Systemic Development => Digital Audio Devices => Streaming Players => Topic started by: Nick B on November 13, 2015, 10:27:33 AM
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A few years ago I had to have a computer guy figure out that some software was blocking the SB 2 from working. Recently, I got a new cable/modem and I believe the tech said that the pc had a different IP address. Everything was working perfectly until last night when I updated Firefox and downloaded a lot of Windows updates. After rebooting a number of times, I re-entered my network password and now the SB 2 shows the old .11 IP address rather than the new .14 The Logitech Media Server also shows .14 as the IP This is the exact same issue that the cable guy just fixed.
Any ideas on how I can fix this? All I want to do is continue to break in my Antelope dac and put 500 hours on it
Nick
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Hi Nick! Are you using DHCP server to provide automatic IP addresses to all clients on your network? Usually DHCP server runs on your router. If so, set the SB2 to get IP address automatically. Then IP conflicts can be resolved by rebooting everything.
Even if you have only a couple clients, better to put them on dynamic IPs.
If you need static IPs for some reason, you have to go around to every device and write down the IPs and hostname for your records. Then if you get a conflict, you can ping the IP and find out who's cheating.
If you have mixed dynamic and static IPs, you have to create a range of IPs for dynamic allocation in the DHCP settings, and put your statics outside of that dynamic range. Still keep a record of your statics if you have more than one.
Does this help?
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Put a CD player on repeat
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Hi Nick! Are you using DHCP server to provide automatic IP addresses to all clients on your network? Usually DHCP server runs on your router. If so, set the SB2 to get IP address automatically. Then IP conflicts can be resolved by rebooting everything.
Even if you have only a couple clients, better to put them on dynamic IPs.
If you need static IPs for some reason, you have to go around to every device and write down the IPs and hostname for your records. Then if you get a conflict, you can ping the IP and find out who's cheating.
If you have mixed dynamic and static IPs, you have to create a range of IPs for dynamic allocation in the DHCP settings, and put your statics outside of that dynamic range. Still keep a record of your statics if you have more than one.
Does this help?
Rich, I don't know if it's a DHCP server. It's a cable company modem/router in one box. The tech with my permission, disconnected my Linksys router. I don't and have never done static addresses. When I was rebooting the SB 2 and going thru the setup, I picked the seek IP address automatically and that's where I got stuck. This network is simply for my gizmos and for my wife's as well. I am presuming what you are talking about means accessing the cable companies router and I have no clue how to do that. I have looked at Logitech Media Server and I can't find a way to change any IP there. I have looked at the Logitech Media Server and do see an option to upgrade and I presume that means the firmware. Should I try that right now as I'm using 2012 firmware?
Nick
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Put a CD player on repeat
Therein lies the problem. The SB 2 is my player. I haven't had a real CD player in 8 or 9 years. That's why my wife hates this kind of system. Everything can work perfectly and then a Windows update or whatever can cause it to stop working. She has asked me for the last couple of years to get a CD player again....
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Put a CD player on repeat
Therein lies the problem. The SB 2 is my player. I haven't had a real CD player in 8 or 9 years. That's why my wife hates this kind of system. Everything can work perfectly and then a Windows update or whatever can cause it to stop working. She has asked me for the last couple of years to get a CD player again....
Get a Bluesound Node.
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The new cable modem/router must have DHCP. You called it a router, does it have multiple ethernet LAN jacks, usually 4 in a row? Or just one connected to the computer? Is it wifi?
You will definitely need to give every LAN device in the house a power-off reboot. They don't have to be off at the same time, it can roll through. If the router has wifi, reboot wireless devices too, including cell phones using the wifi. Or disconnect from wifi and reconnect might be enough for cell phones, everything else reboot it.
Slimserver uses the host machines's IP so there's no networking settings to change in slimserver GUI.
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Put a CD player on repeat
Therein lies the problem. The SB 2 is my player. I haven't had a real CD player in 8 or 9 years. That's why my wife hates this kind of system. Everything can work perfectly and then a Windows update or whatever can cause it to stop working. She has asked me for the last couple of years to get a CD player again....
Get a Bluesound Node.
I've looked into the Bluesound Node. There is not much info out there and no user experience that I found a few months ago. I'm at a point now where I have a great system and wouldn't want to blow $1,000 or so on a product I know little about.
How does it compare to an Aries or the new Aries mini? Can it benefit from a better power supply? How well does the tagging software work?? etc
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I can't compare to the Aries and I'm sure with that being twice the price I would hope there was a difference. You can get a first gen Node on sale for about 350 new online at places like Crutchfield and Audio Advisor. They give you a 30 day return if you want to play around and see for yourself if you like it.Everyone thought the Aries was the best but I see them for sale every week. As far as power supply it uses a standard C7 power cord . I do a lot of streaming with Tidal and it works great . I have never had a hiccup. I also have a 3TB hard drive hooked to my router and I have been ripping my CD's to it. My library is controlled by the Node. They also have a version with a ripper and hard drive built in. It does 24/192 so when I feel like buying from HD tracks it plays the Hi Rez stuff. They just came out with a Gen2 version which is supposed to be even better and redesigned . I just know it works for me, it lets me listen to music instead of having to constantly tweak something on my computer to get it to work.
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The new cable modem/router must have DHCP. You called it a router, does it have multiple ethernet LAN jacks, usually 4 in a row? Or just one connected to the computer? Is it wifi?
You will definitely need to give every LAN device in the house a power-off reboot. They don't have to be off at the same time, it can roll through. If the router has wifi, reboot wireless devices too, including cell phones using the wifi. Or disconnect from wifi and reconnect might be enough for cell phones, everything else reboot it.
Slimserver uses the host machines's IP so there's no networking settings to change in slimserver GUI.
Hey Rich,
After fooling with this a bit more, I just called the cable company support and asked them to reset the router at their end. They did that and it took about 20 seconds ... and it works!!
It's still strange to me that a Windows update can mess things up so quickly.
Thanks much :thumb:
Nick
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That's great! I have been thinking about you all this time with no music. Oh, the HORROR OF IT ALL!
If they reset it from their end then it was their router borked, not your Winderrs. Latest Winderrs is pretty good about recovering from IP errors automatically. Older Wins needed reboot or fancy fingers in DOS window.
Now back to the music... 8)
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I can't compare to the Aries and I'm sure with that being twice the price I would hope there was a difference. You can get a first gen Node on sale for about 350 new online at places like Crutchfield and Audio Advisor. They give you a 30 day return if you want to play around and see for yourself if you like it.Everyone thought the Aries was the best but I see them for sale every week. As far as power supply it uses a standard C7 power cord . I do a lot of streaming with Tidal and it works great . I have never had a hiccup. I also have a 3TB hard drive hooked to my router and I have been ripping my CD's to it. My library is controlled by the Node. They also have a version with a ripper and hard drive built in. It does 24/192 so when I feel like buying from HD tracks it plays the Hi Rez stuff. They just came out with a Gen2 version which is supposed to be even better and redesigned . I just know it works for me, it lets me listen to music instead of having to constantly tweak something on my computer to get it to work.
Thanks for your comments. I looked into the Vault 2 again today and checked out the Bluesound forum. Guys like the product and it seems the support is very good. I am presuming the Vault 2 has a smps which would very likely create some noise and the lack of being able to use a digital power cord is also a concern.
I have looked into the Aries quite a bit and that would be a very nice product. But I'm also trying to figure out how much new cables, a phono section and an a/d converter will cost so I can complete my system in 2016.
So many wants and so little money :-({|=
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That's great! I have been thinking about you all this time with no music. Oh, the HORROR OF IT ALL!
If they reset it from their end then it was their router borked, not your Winderrs. Latest Winderrs is pretty good about recovering from IP errors automatically. Older Wins needed reboot or fancy fingers in DOS window.
Now back to the music... 8)
Ha ha ... yes, the HORROR ..... Glad it's working as I'm tired of wringing my hands
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The new cable modem/router must have DHCP. You called it a router, does it have multiple ethernet LAN jacks, usually 4 in a row? Or just one connected to the computer? Is it wifi?
You will definitely need to give every LAN device in the house a power-off reboot. They don't have to be off at the same time, it can roll through. If the router has wifi, reboot wireless devices too, including cell phones using the wifi. Or disconnect from wifi and reconnect might be enough for cell phones, everything else reboot it.
Slimserver uses the host machines's IP so there's no networking settings to change in slimserver GUI.
Hey Rich,
After fooling with this a bit more, I just called the cable company support and asked them to reset the router at their end. They did that and it took about 20 seconds ... and it works!!
It's still strange to me that a Windows update can mess things up so quickly.
Thanks much :thumb:
Nick
These two posts are a huge reason I sold my (beloved) BOLDER CABLE modded SB and Duet.
Music shouldn't be this hard. It's suppose to help drain the trials and tribulations FROM life. Not create more. Shame. Glad you got it fixed though. But there's always a firmware update "right around the corner" from Logitech or Windows that will simply ruin your evening.
A hobby shouldn't be that much work.
Bob
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I am presuming the Vault 2 has a smps which would very likely create some noise and the lack of being able to use a digital power cord is also a concern.
I have looked into the Aries quite a bit and that would be a very nice product. But I'm also trying to figure out how much new cables, a phono section and an a/d converter will cost so I can complete my system in 2016.
So many wants and so little money :-({|=
See that is what I mean the quest. While you and everyone else are doing that I'm listening to music . Noise, what noise ? from smps can you or anyone really hear it :rofl:
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I am presuming the Vault 2 has a smps which would very likely create some noise and the lack of being able to use a digital power cord is also a concern.
I have looked into the Aries quite a bit and that would be a very nice product. But I'm also trying to figure out how much new cables, a phono section and an a/d converter will cost so I can complete my system in 2016.
So many wants and so little money :-({|=
See that is what I mean the quest. While you and everyone else are doing that I'm listening to music . Noise, what noise ? from smps can you or anyone really hear it :rofl:
Thanks for your posts, although the tone of this one is a bit rude. Everyone is on a different path in their pursuit of good music, whether it's diy, a $500 system or a $500,000 one. I don't care and I don't make less than kind comments either. I'm happy that you are enjoying your system.
Yes, I do know what noise is. Years ago, a dealer friend cut me a deal on his braided, unshielded silver cables and the noise was horrible. Sometimes noise is manifested in different ways. When you get a good linear power supply, it can reveal a lot more detail in the music and I enjoy that. What I have now is very enjoyable and I need to fine tune that and add a few more components.
I was on the computer audiophile site and read an extensive review of the Bluesound/NAD products. Good stuff and NAD has a good reputation from what I've read. But the review and none of the Bluesound forum posts that I could find really discuss the sound quality, so I don't think I'll be pursuing the Vault 2.
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These two posts are a huge reason I sold my (beloved) BOLDER CABLE modded SB and Duet.
Music shouldn't be this hard. It's suppose to help drain the trials and tribulations FROM life. Not create more. Shame. Glad you got it fixed though. But there's always a firmware update "right around the corner" from Logitech or Windows that will simply ruin your evening.
A hobby shouldn't be that much work.
Same here. I don't like having Windows in my system. Maybe if I got a new i5 with 8GB memory then background tasks would remain completely in background, but I'm 100% sure of that. But people say I would still hear the task churn affecting the stream quality. If you offer double the CPU cycles to Microsoft they will double the background load to make it "even better!" I switched to Sonos to get rid of the external server of SB, but SQ is less than SB3. Digital is a tough haul for the audiophile, but it's where the new music is so we have no choice.
I'm intrigued by the latest offering by Twisted Pear Audio that lets a small industrial computer running linux supply I2S stream directly to the DAC (no USB, no SPDIF,) and it also reclocks the DAC and the computer together so jitter is reduced to fS. It is said to sound very good. They also have a version to reclock a Amenero async USB input board which then feeds I2S to DAC. Not too expensive, I might try it since I already have the DAC which I like that is compatible.
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It scares me when an audiophile says, "Not too expensive". ;)
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It scares me when an audiophile says, "Not too expensive". ;)
How about cheap :thumb:
Nick
Didn't mean to come off as rude but after all I am a New Yorker. My point is we can tweak forever and never be a happy. That would make people tweakers I guess.We put this device on that and that device on this. Now what happens when we take 1 device out of the equation maybe it sounds better and we didn't need device number 6 in the chain. To each is own. Could it be the people on the Bluesound forum don't talk much about the sound because they have nothing to complain about. One can sit here and say the sound has meat on the bones, its warm, rich, transparent etc... So what, it means nothing until you hear it yourself. The thread on the Auralec at CA is so long I wouldn't even bother reading it. It's probably all repetitive . Can we tweak this , can we do that, who got theirs yet.
Again I didn't mean to come off rude . To each is own :thumb:
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It scares me when an audiophile says, "Not too expensive". ;)
$240
http://www.twistedpearaudio.com/digital/cronus.aspx
Seems cheap for what it does technically, but it's pouring more money into this DIY DAC, while I'm trying to kick DIY habit.
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Ok yea, that's not bad after all. I've heard "Not too bad" and guys were talking about $2400 pieces of equipment. :duh
Never quit DIY Rich. Ever. Seriously. You do it well.
Bob
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Thanks Bob. Maybe just a short break? Please?
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Ok Rich. A short one. You've earned it....although, there weren't enough pictures. ;)
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It scares me when an audiophile says, "Not too expensive". ;)
How about cheap :thumb:
Nick
Didn't mean to come off as rude but after all I am a New Yorker. My point is we can tweak forever and never be a happy. That would make people tweakers I guess.We put this device on that and that device on this. Now what happens when we take 1 device out of the equation maybe it sounds better and we didn't need device number 6 in the chain. To each is own. Could it be the people on the Bluesound forum don't talk much about the sound because they have nothing to complain about. One can sit here and say the sound has meat on the bones, its warm, rich, transparent etc... So what, it means nothing until you hear it yourself. The thread on the Auralec at CA is so long I wouldn't even bother reading it. It's probably all repetitive . Can we tweak this , can we do that, who got theirs yet.
Again I didn't mean to come off rude . To each is own :thumb:
ejk We're good. I'm a New Yorker too.... kinda.... When my folks were on vacation one time, I got to go to the top of the Empire State bldg when I was 9 years old. What you're saying is completely valid, but you know, the name of this site is Audio Nervosa! I have spent a lot of $$$ over the years, especially when I was single, and really all I want to do is finish off this project and enjoy the music. I am wanting to complete it now because I have enough knowledge and experience and some money to do that. If I need to know something, I post here or at AC and usually get the info I'm looking for.
Like I said, if you happy with what you have and can keep
this crazy hobby in check, you have my admiration :thumb:
Oh yea... I read all the posts on the Auralic over at the ComputerAudiophile site :roll:
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Ok yea, that's not bad after all. I've heard "Not too bad" and guys were talking about $2400 pieces of equipment. :duh
Never quit DIY Rich. Ever. Seriously. You do it well.
Bob
Yessir You're right Bob. DIY is great, but with my skill level, the stuff would very likely never work. "Not too bad" is a scary phrase sometimes.
BTW, thought you'd like to know that SB 2 stopped working again today, but I was able to fix it in about 10 minutes :shock:
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Way to go Nick!