Need a power conditioner maven

[tmazz]

Unfortunately my power cables are touching the ground. i guess they are "grounded"  

Come on Jim, use hockey pucks to lift them.  

[Scottdazzle]

Unfortunately my power cables are touching the ground. i guess they are "grounded"  

Come on Jim, use hockey pucks to lift them.  

Are you serious about hockey pucks?  i've got a bunch of them in a closet somewhere.

[Werd]

Unfortunately my power cables are touching the ground. i guess they are "grounded"  

Come on Jim, use hockey pucks to lift them.  

Are you serious about hockey pucks?  i've got a bunch of them in a closet somewhere.

I think hockey pucks have to much surface area to be effective. Never tried though. I read online about above ground power transmission. They used those power cable guides. They are made of ceramic, assuming there is an electrical benefit since they wouldn't use something that didn't worked good for effective power transfer. 
So i have been keeping an eye out for anything ceramic  to hang or make contact on cabling for a riser.

I know its real 3rd floor wacko hospital nervosa stuff but hey i am in it for the long haul. 

[tmazz]

Unfortunately my power cables are touching the ground. i guess they are "grounded"  

Come on Jim, use hockey pucks to lift them.  

Are you serious about hockey pucks?  i've got a bunch of them in a closet somewhere.

I think hockey pucks have to much surface area to be effective. Never tried though. I read online about above ground power transmission. They used those power cable guides. They are made of ceramic, assuming there is an electrical benefit since they wouldn't use something that didn't worked good for effective power transfer. 
So i have been keeping an eye out for anything ceramic  to hang or make contact on cabling for a riser.

I know its real 3rd floor wacko hospital nervosa stuff but hey i am in it for the long haul. 

Overhead power lines are mounted on ceramic guides not because of anything to do with the transmission of the power, but rather just the opposite. The ceramic material is used for it's insulating property. The reason it is there is to support the cable physically while making sure that none of the electricity is is conducting flows into the pole or metal tower that it is mounted on, which of course is stuck in the ground and would cause a dead short. This is not an issue with the cables we use in our audio systems since they are all insulated and well protected for the working voltages that they carry.

And while the surface contact area of a hockey puck under a cable is greater that that of some other types of cable supports, one three inch diameter puck placed \every three to four feet is still a heel of a lot less contact area than laying the entire cable on the floor. And seeing that I know Jim is a hockey coach, I knew he would have a bunch of old pucks laying around which make the whole experiment...... free.   

[jimbones]

Got that right! Question: Do transformers in the conditioners have an adverse affect on sound?

[rollo]

Hey Scott good to see you posting here. Hockey pucks will act as vibration suckers. They reside under my washer and dryer. Dead quit now.
   For cable lifters I use the ceramic insulators used for temporary lighting on construction projects. Some are hung by shade rope with a loop to hold ceramic insulator.
    Be advised that when you move your cables allow 2 to three days to settle again.

charles

[Scottdazzle]

I've been lurking for awhile. That other site has been getting a little too nasty for my delicate sensibilities. 

[richidoo]

Question: Do transformers in the conditioners have an adverse affect on sound?

No. You already have transformer in this role, your power transformer. As any hardened magnetics addict will admit, more magnetics are always better! Any transformer power conditioner will do a few positive things: filter out high frequency noise from the mains, provide large reservoir of energy in magnetic form, reduce source impedance of the power (so says Torus.)

If your power conditioner is also a balanced power converter, then you add the benefit of reducing common mode noise in the system and have a quieter floating ground, as well as the above advantages of any transformer.  Read some of the equitech papers for better explanation than I can remember. The disadvantage with the large transformers is they hum very softly, but if you require dead silence then you need to isolate it mechanically and acoustically.

The regens are great too, as long as they have enough power. I would buy a PurePower unit in a heartbeat. It powered some of the best bass I've ever heard with Legacy Focus SE and Edge 400W stereo amp.

[Werd]

Got that right! Question: Do transformers in the conditioners have an adverse affect on sound?

Yes, what you are asking it to do is exactly what the transformer in an amp or dac, preamp already does. You really do not need another transformer between the component and the local neighborhood transformer. There are advantages and disadvantages. Its crap a shoot as to whether it work or not.

The advantage is the transformer sets up a single point of reference between the numerous component transformers and the local neighborhood supply. This is good since that reference will see the local neighboor transformer with much less impedance than multiple smaller transformers. This is good for power draw since your stereo is in competition with every other appliance in the neighborhood, including your own house.
The disadvantage is big tranformers tend to hum and attract noise. Especially if you have two big ones in series. (Everything gets amplified) so what can happen is that noise gets amplifed through speakers. It ends up as hash.  But if it works it works great and the smaller transformer are always saturated and never get starved too.

 Big huge amps should sit on their own with their own 15 amp supply imo. But smaller amps can sit with the rest of the stereo hooked up into a conditioner.

[jimbones]

OK so I went on a spending spree today. ln addition to a TT I also purchased the Exactpower power conditioner. Don't know much about it but I guess I'll find out.

[Werd]

Exact is good   

[KLH007]

OK so I went on a spending spree today. ln addition to a TT I also purchased the Exactpower power conditioner. Don't know much about it but I guess I'll find out.

How does the Exactpower sound in your system?

[jimbones]

well, I had to return it. The unit I got had a bad winding and it had a 60hz hum. Lucky the guy was easy to deal with. Now I am looking again.

BTW, other than the hum it made the system sound better.

[DRN]

For what it is worth for the last at least ten years I have been using a
brick wall, same as a Zero Surge power filter and it more than meets my requirements. Been there done that with all the power crap years ago.
$250 and your done. 8 outlets. The Furman's are supposedly good but I have not heard one in my system. No need to get that elaborate or costly.

[rollo]

I've been lurking for awhile. That other site has been getting a little too nasty for my delicate sensibilities. 

  Exactly ! Spread the word. No attack mode on AN just adult conversations.


charles