AudioNervosa
Systemic Development => Bipolar System Disorders => Topic started by: rollo on February 28, 2011, 10:37:27 AM
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Its been 6 weeks now since I revamped the CBF positioning. Three at the incoming wire bundle. One for each leg. Then one each for each circuit at the panel. One in the dedicated outlet box [ behind the duplex in the box] for the amps and Preamp. One on duplex that feeds the CDP and TT, one on another outlet on that same circuit. One on the dimmer switch for the lighting.
I have a dead quiet background a bigger more defined soundstage, better bass, more separation between instruments. More dynamic, but.
Which brings me to my observation. It sounds brighter. There seems to be something up. Am I experiencing something different than anyone else utilizing the CBFs. :duh
charles
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Charles,
I've got a number of CBFs and can't say I've ever attributed them with increased brightness. I've also not tried any of Alan's newer CBFs... I quit buying after the Signature and Infinity versions. Which do you have?
What I like about the CBFs is that there is no breakin time and, generally speaking, they convey a quieter, more relaxed presentation. I tend to think there is a point of diminishing returns but that likely depends upon where you put them.
I will say that despite the quality of my system, and the number of Alan Maher or other power conditioning accessories in my system, or any number of other tweaks, I still have days where the sound of my system is worse than it was the day or two before. Whether that is due to power issues, or my state of mind, or the health of my ears is anyone's guess.
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It was not the CBFs. The addition of the CBFs allowed me to hear more than before. SOOOO it was another synergy issue that arose with our new found resolution. It was an IC. Once changed out the issue gone baby gone.
Now the combo of Triodes Labs cords and the CBFs, oh my. PI Uberbuss up next.
charles
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Charles, will you be using a Triode Pete BUSS cable on the Uber Buss or an 8 or 10awg WE cord?
I'm currently using his BUSS cord on my Uber Buss. While it is certainly well made, I'm not really hearing too much of a difference over the Black Sand Silver Ref cable (an excellent PC is its own right) that I had been using on the Uber. I will say that I like both Pete's BUSS cord and the Black Sand far better than the Pangea AC-9 I had tried there before. The Pangea seemed to be doing exactly the opposite of Pete's cords - less relaxed, less musical and less dimensional -- particularly with vocals. Strange ... Pehaps it just needed a lot more time (although I certainly left it there well over 100 hours).
I understand Pete may be toying with inserting the equivalent of the CBF crystals into his cable terminations. That should prove interesting.
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It was not the CBFs. The addition of the CBFs allowed me to hear more than before. SOOOO it was another synergy issue that arose with our new found resolution. It was an IC. Once changed out the issue gone baby gone.
Now the combo of Triodes Labs cords and the CBFs, oh my. PI Uberbuss up next.
charles
Pete recommended to me no CBF's but what the hell if you say its better I'll give it a try
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An 8 Ga. on the buss. The Blacksand is an excellent cable as well but over my budjet. Hopefully I will be able to buy the Buss shortly. Evan use those CBFs sparingly with Petes cords as they tend to brighten the sound when too many are used. Stick to the panel circuits and wiring bundle. I did not like the result of putting two on the PC and one in the duplex outlet in conjunction with the ones at the panel. Just too much IMO.
A Spec grade Hubbel 5262 duplex also adds to the mix. Or a Jena which is cryoed.
charles
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Speaking of Alan Maher, has anybody heard any lately about him or his company?
I tried to go to his web site (alanmaherdesigns.com) on Monday and all I have been able to get back since then is a no such domain error message. When I tried to go to his facebook page the system can find it, but it is completely blank.
Any ideas as to what's up?
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Speaking of Alan Maher, has anybody heard any lately about him or his company?
I tried to go to his web site (alanmaherdesigns.com) on Monday and all I have been able to get back since then is a no such domain error message. When I tried to go to his facebook page the system can find it, but it is completely blank.
Any ideas as to what's up?
If you go to the Info. link on his FB page it lists a new e-mail address: alanpmaher@hotmail.com
I sent him an e-mail the other day when I saw both his website and FB page were down, but never heard back...??? :-(
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I guess you guys missed the Alan Maher hi-rez fiasco chronicalled on AC?
My short version, hopefully somewhat close to the facts:
He was reselling some sort of "re-mastered" music, I guess on thumbdrives, claiming that since he is not in the US and is not reselling the tunes in their original format (he is not duplicating them on CD medium) then he has the right to violate every known copyright law known to mankind. Folks pointed out that he has no right to resell these titles, and some made inquiries with ASCAP or whomever. In no time, any mention of the titles was gone from his website, and now his whole website is down.
That's my recollection of events.
-Mike
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Link: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=92141.0
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Yep, Alan's website went down right when the MaherPhile albums he was 'selling' were exposed for what they were. I think he was essentially upsampling CDs using his various conditioning circuits, but he was quite mysterious about the details so I certainly can't speak with any certainty.
The fact that he's no longer on Facebook speaks volumes.
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Oh well good while he lasted. Soon " heritage". Removal of the CBFs. Why you ask? To see what they are actually doing. Will I be missing something ? Will I not? [ plucking the Daisey] One at a time. So [2] at the circuits [ one each], [3] [ hot,neutral,ground] on the wire bundle and [1] in the duplex outlet box [ manana ]
My only concern is that if I do not like the result of removal do these suckers need 21 days again :duh.
I'll wait until I get an answer. :?
charles
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Charles
Just curious...
• Which CBF(s) did you remove and from where?
• How long did it take before you could determine whether their removal did (or did not) change anything?
• If there was a change in the sound of your system, was it for the bad or the better?
• Does the order or combination of which CBF's are in place vs. what was removed make a difference?
• If you only remove a CBF for a short span of time (e.g. a 1/2 hour, because after listening to a few songs you realize your system doesn't sound as good) and then put it back, does it still take a full 21 days to "come back" fully or not as long?
Thanks!
Bill
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FWIW and just my take - I haven't found the need for lengthy time for the CBFs. While it is totally true of all of Maher's active tweaks that actually plug-in to filter the AC in some manner, my experience with the CBFs is that a small yet noticeable difference is there fairly soon. My "understanding" (or, more likely, lack thereof ;-) is that the CBFs are somehow taming RF/EM fields.
Of course, like many other tweaks, I wonder if anyone fully understands how (if?) they really work.
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You guys will appreciate this or at least have a good laugh. Last night I was pumped to remove the CBFs one at a time.
Sat down for a listen and all seemed proper. Puzzled as to why when I have not been pleased off late with the sound even after a month of CBFs in place.
The Nervosa creeped in and I just couldn't remove them. Well maybe they took longer, Well this, well that. Do they have to break in again :roll: WTF.
The bottom line the nervosa was so strong I just couldn't do it. :duh Like the Audio Gods are going to haunt me or something. Now I'm wondering if they ever stop changing when and if the magnetic fields change. Oye!!
Some nights its awesome and others, Eh."Tonight, Tonight won't just be any night" It's gonna happen.
charles
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Some nights its awesome and others, Eh."Tonight, Tonight won't just be any night"
Yeah, but that happened even before we put in CBFs. Just some of the reality of commercial power in a big city. Sometimes it's clean other timer all your neighbors are pushing noise back into the grid.
I remember reading on Alan's blog that a short removal would not require the whole break-in cycle again, just an hour or so to settle in. The question was posed with respect to a situation where one fell off and was put right back on. I seem to remember that he gave a time after which you would have to repeat the whole cycle, but I can't remember what it was.
But this leads me to another question. If you have a CBF on an outlet or a power cord and shut down all of the equipment connected to it there will be no current traveling through that circuit. If these things work off of some kind of magnetics, and there is no current in the wire thane there would also be not magnetic field. Isn't that the same as if you remove it from the point of view of the device? And would that mean that the break-in cycle would start over again every time you turned on the equipment. I know this would not apply to the incoming service bundle since there is (almost) always something in the house drawing power, but if you have dedicated outlets for your system it could be a concern. This would be a good question for Alan.... if we ever find him again. :roll:
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... Last night I was pumped to remove the CBFs one at a time.... The Nervosa creeped in and I just couldn't remove them...
charles
Charles
I "feel your pain". :( I still have a few Alan Maher products (mostly CBF's) that I haven't tried yet because the 21 day "process" can be painstakingly s-l-o-w. ](*,) It's very hard to be patient and only install one at a time, but (as you already know) that's really the right way to approach any changes in one's system and hopefully understand what's going on.
Anyway, I have also been wondering about the effects on the sound of my system if I started to remove some of the AMD products, to see (hear) what I'd be missing. Except, I didn't want to be faced with the same dilemma as your stated in your last post on the subject. The AMD "21 day roller coaster" is a tough ride to remain on for months on end without feeling worn out after a while! :-& That's why I was soooo interested in your results. Hopefully, once I get the rest of my pieces in place, I will eventually get up enough guts to try what you were going to do yesterday!
In the meantime, if you finally make that "leap" and start removing CBF's, please keep all of us posted!
Bill
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I recently pulled all my PE1s (seven in all) and the Quantum AC after too many blackouts. You can do it too! :thumb:
I doubt your results would be the same as any other system, however. The CBFs, for example, never worked well in my system for the long-term. And there were interactions among the filters.
In my case, I didn't miss the PE1s but did miss the Quantum, but it just takes too long to settle back in. PI Audio to the rescue.
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I have to agree with the roller-coaster issues of AM products - particularly his active products. I seem to have power outages at least once a month. Generally the outage is just seconds, but it does have a detrimental effect. Am I willing to toss all the AM products? No. The addiction is too high. At least not until something equally as good without the downside comes along.
It is definitely all about the power and there are a ton of power products on the market. I've been very pleased with my Uber Buss, but it alone can't quite do what AM products do given a month of continuous power.
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OK I pulled 3 from the mix from a total of nine. One at a spare duplex [ connected to the line that feeds the CDP, but a different outlet], Lost a bit of fullness but some dynamics came back. Removed another at the dimmer switch again on a different circuit not affecting audio lines. Could not discern a difference. When I pulled the one attached to the tuner powercord which is on the line of the CDP MORE dynamics and less upper midrange glare. I liked that.
The only remaining CBFs are at the circuit panel. One on each of two circuit breakers feeding the CDP and the other feeding the Pre and Amps. One in the outlet box feeding the Amps and Preamp as well.
What we heard was more dynamics and less of a strident upper midrange and lower treble hardness. It appears the Lector is affected by too many CBFs on the line. Imaging and soundstage remained as before. PRAT however was much better. It sounded slow compared to without the CBFs. The CDP has only one CBF and that is at the panel circuit feeding the CDP.
The toe started tapping again but that has happened many times WITH all the CBFs. :shock: my conclusion is that I believe the CBFs change with the magnetic Field change. I cannot prove that. A theory at best but an educated one. Too many CBFs on the line for a CDP is not recommended.
Over the weekend I will pull the CBF at the circuit breaker feeding the CDP. I tell ya what though put them on the Plasma power conditioner and cable power supply and the picture is insane.
charles
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Its been 6 weeks now since I revamped the CBF positioning...
charles
Just curious... what prompted you to re-arrange your CBF positioning in the first place? :?
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It just sounded a bit fantastical [ a Carlman word] just too much of a good thing. images were larger but diffuse. Now the images are more defined in their space and depth increased. Lost a tad of volume. bass is not as strong but began bettered defined. The top less detailed however all the detail one needs.
The main reason was the larger than life presentation. the other was a normal thing for me. Meaning when a change is made some time after say a few months of listening I remove the change to hear the difference. Sometimes we get get all caught up in the experience and THINK its better. Especially when there is more dynamic energy or it sounds more detailed. Basically a test.
It appears the CBFs at the wire bundle are the most affective. The removal of the CBFs from the breaker itself had an affect as described but not a dramatic loss. air and decay of notes was more noticeable as I felt there was some smearing going on. Again maybe just too many CBfs.
The saga continues.
charles
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Ya know, I've been a very happy customer of Alan's with several of his products and, overall, far better for it. The CBFs, however, have me scratching my head. I mean... we're talking small shiny rocks in a box, right? It's not that I question if they are doing anything - I do hear a change in SQ (I do, I do, I swear I do... I think) -- but I sure wish someone smarter than me could explain in scientific terms what these suckers are actually doing. Hey, I've got a yard full of rocks... what makes his better than mine ;-)
Seriously, if I could better understand what they are doing, I might just find far better ways of using them. Inquiring minds want to know...
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Acoustic Revive power recepticles http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/rtp/rtp_01.html claim that the minerals in their products remove static and noise. They use Green carborundum (silicon carbide), tourmaline and quartz. Japanese and Koreans have been using minerals like this in consumer and industrial products for many years.
Roll your own:
http://www.kramerindustriesonline.com/blasting-media/silicon-carbide.htm
http://www.n-ion.com/e/product/tourmaline-stones-powder/tpd-1-l.html
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Acoustic Revive power recepticles http://www.acoustic-revive.com/english/rtp/rtp_01.html claim that the minerals in their products remove static and noise. They use Green carborundum (silicon carbide), tourmaline and quartz. Japanese and Koreans have been using minerals like this in consumer and industrial products for many years.
Roll your own:
http://www.kramerindustriesonline.com/blasting-media/silicon-carbide.htm
http://www.n-ion.com/e/product/tourmaline-stones-powder/tpd-1-l.html
Our Professor strikes again. cool. 8)
charles
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Thanks Rich! An interesting avenue for further investigation... But I'd still love to see something that reports how it works... supresses EMI? RFI? calms nervous disorders? better than zoloft (I hear that takes several weeks to work as well... hmmm?)
OK, I know, I can google as well as Rich and have done so - just haven't found the obvious answers (assuming anyone has actually documented it in some manner). I'm not being skeptical, just extremely curious.
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There are articles about how minerals react to stimulus, in common ways that we already know about. Piezo, thermal, peltier, it's all minerals behaving weirdly. I did not find any such articles that discuss if/how minerals interact with EMI, but I didn't look very hard. Magnets can change the shape of molecules to preserve food, cure diseases and increase fuel economy, as well as generate electric current. We also know that minerals can do all of these things and more. Magnets work by having molecules pointing in one direction so that the magnetic fields in all atoms cooperate to form a single powerful field. Mineral crystals already have all of their molecules pointed in the same direction, and atoms are all built using the same parts and the same rules. There is likely a relation to the way magnetics work.
As with all tweaks that sound better, CBF minerals must be removing distortion at some level, perhaps damping noise in the power line by converting EMI to heat or motion or current.
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Descendant of Professor Irwin Corey perhaps? :rofl:
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Haven't you heard. Disney confirmed that the Pixie dust they used in all their movies was actually ground up quartz.
"It glitters so nicely and definitely helped with the quality of the picture, reducing noise artifacts and improving clarity all around. Plus it made Peter Pan sneeze. So funny!."
- Tinker Bell
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... I sure wish someone smarter than me could explain in scientific terms what these suckers are actually doing. Hey, I've got a yard full of rocks... what makes his better than mine ;-) Seriously, if I could better understand what they are doing, I might just find far better ways of using them. Inquiring minds want to know...
Alan used to have quite a bit of info. listed on his Facebook page under a posting called "The Art of CBF Tuning." Unfortunately, he is in the middle of re-working both his website and FB page, so I can't find a link for you guys and gals right now. From what I remember, he said that CBF's are designed to tune out (cancel?) the noise and odd harmonics in the electrical circuits of your house. I think the technology he uses involves treating the EMI (Maybe RFI too?) but I'm not tech-saavy enough to know or explain much else.
As far as usage goes, I have traded many e-mails, PM's etc... on the subject with Alan and for the most part the conversation always ends with the same common answer. I'll try to explain it in my own words as best I can here.
Like everything else us audio crazies try in quest for the "audio nervana", every application (E.g.: house wiring, incoming power, the audio equipment itself, acoustics and one's own personal musical/sound preferences etc...) is (are) different, so what works in one person's system, may not work for yours. In regards to the AMD products (even though I know this is not what everybody wants to hear) it ALWAYS comes down to experimenting with placement. From what I understand (from strictly an audio standpoint) you should be able to hear whether any AMD product placement is "in a good spot" within the first 1/2 hour. If you hear a rather dramatic change in your system for the worse within that first 1/2 hour or so, it will progressively give you better sound until it's maximized around that "magic" 21 day timeframe. If you don't get this "bad before good" result, it means you should try it in another place within your home. I only learned of this "bad before good" approach recently, so once I get up enough "courage" (read: patience) to do it, I will be removing and re-installing some AMD products too!
Maybe (?) he (Alan) will see this thread and respond on AN to help clarify things for everyone.
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Alan and I also exchanged a good bit of email on the subject and, as you say, it always comes down to experimenting. While I've never heard an explanation that fully satisfied my curiosity, I don't doubt the effect.
To be honest, this is the first I've heard the bad-before-good approach. That sounds painful and a bit mid-evil -- like take this medicine and if you don't die in the next 21 days, you'll surely feel better. But... worth a try next time I feel the nervosa creeping in.
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I've heard (pardon the pun) of the "bad before good" reaction quite a while back as an expected result of a new AMD "install", but what I didn't know until recently (unless I misinterpreted what Alan has told me?) is that every "correct" placement in terms of getting better audio, should go like this. I wish I would've known that right from the start. I've been happy with most of my results so far, but.... it's just that I am now second guessing myself on some of what I've done because I didn't get that "bad before good" reaction with everything I tried. I'm now feeling like I may be missing out on even more performance from Alan's products if I place them better to optimize the results. It's a matter of having the time (and the guts) to do it "one-piece-at-a-time." My wife and kids thought I was crazy the first time I went through this process, I can't wait to hear what they'll have to say when I tell them I'm starting over!
Maybe you're right... Nervosa is some sort of medieval torture-test!?!
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So basically, find the spots where my system sounds worst and then leave it there for 3 weeks so that things will improve... Hmmm, in a convoluted way I guess it makes sense because for a CBF to make things sound worse means it is having an affect. I just dunno if I can do that without second guessing myself each day thereafter. It's also relative. What sounds bad to my ears today will eventually start to sound normal - probably far before 3 weeks are up.
When I first started with AM stuff, I picked up the Quantum Studio, placed it on my main audio circuit and soon, to my delight, was quite convinced of its merits. Followed that up with a couple Ref IIs, a Ref III and a PE. Those required finding optimum placement, and that was a bit of a shot in the dark. I ended up putting them where I suspected they could do the most good - frig circuit, TV circuit, computer circuit, etc... Well, I thought that did improve things further so I just left them there. Then came the CBFs... I did try them in several places but was never really convinced (or perhaps never had the patience) to find "best" location (must less 'worst sounding' location). So I ended up leaving them also in the most obvious locations - on breaker, wrapped to incoming lines into the breaker box, and then strapped in various locations where I thought at the time they helped.
While I doubt I'll change the location of the active AM components, I may just do what Charles did, and yank all the CBFs to give a listen. Then, with ever most care, seek out locations for the CBFs that makes my system sound worse (what a sick, sick hobby this can be ;-)
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... So basically, find the spots where my system sounds worst and then leave it there for 3 weeks so that things will improve...
If I understood Alan correctly, you will know if an AMD product is properly placed within an hour. The first 20 minutes to a 1/2 hour for the sound to collapse and sound crummy and another 1/2 hour or so to start to hear the circuit being "tuned" for the better. The 21 day window is supposed to be a guide for how long it takes to get most (all?) of the audio benefits out of his products.
It's just very hard to be patient with all of this. Especially if you have a good handful of his products to experiment with. :roll:
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Recent AMD experiences to share...
I bought 3 PE's about a month ago. My first PE went on my fridge duplex. It went through it's "bad before good" cycle and has remained there for the past 2 1/2 weeks - so far, so good. Since then, I tried my 2nd PE on my wife's computer duplex without any "bad before good" happening at all and removed it after 48 hours. I then moved the 2nd. PE to the power strip of my computer upstairs only to get the same "non-reaction" audio-wise as when it was on the other computer downstairs. :shock: Considering there's supposed to be an audible difference within the first hour of placement, I removed it after 24 hours.
Now here's where things get interesting. I moved that same 2nd. PE from my upstairs computer to the duplex on my living room TV this past Tuesday evening. (2 nights ago.) I got to listen to just a handful of songs (15-20 minutes) but there didn't seem to be any immediate changes. Last night (after the PE was in place for about 24 hours) I got to listen again. Now I got the same results as when I put my first PE on the fridge circuit. Collapsed sound stage, everything congested into the center, vocals very forward and it was obvious that the music was coming from the speakers. I'm taking for granted that if my system "comes back" sound-wise within the next 3 weeks with this PE in place, it's gonna stay there.
Then I can start looking for a place to install PE #3.
The adventure continues...
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Alan's stuff makes it really tough for someone like me who wants instant gratification :rofl:
Keep us posted on your progress!
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Update:
PE#2 has been in place on my living room TV duplex for 6 days now. The soundstage on my stereo has come back about 90%, vocals have moved themselves back from sounding "in the front of the stage" to being "on the stage" and the speakers have started to "disappear" again. There seems to be more detail overall and some "layering" on vocal harmonies that I haven't heard before. (Yes, I'm still listening to a lot of CS&N for this process.) It seems like this placement will be a "keeper". I will now have to start thinking about where to try out PE#3.
Any suggestions?
Bill
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Bill your experience with the PE units is different from what I am doing. Using all CBfs no other AM products.
Removed the CBF on the circuit breaker for the dedicated line feeding the Amps and Preamp. There was a lose of some air and separation of instruments but but the image is more coherent and focused. never had an issue of the speakers NOT disappearing or any soundstage or imaging issues. That's what the Pipedreams are known for. So for me its all about tonality and harmonic structure.
What came back was the pop and dynamics I am used to. Having the [2] CBFs on the wire bundle only and inside the duplex box that feeds the dedicated line seems so far to be the ticket. Installing another on the ground line [ thought I had one there but was wrong ].
Removing the CBFs feeding the line for the CDP and on other receptacles on that line made the biggest change for the good. At first listen I was not happy until I realized the "hype" was gone and the music remained.
I believe the CBFs highlight or exaggerate some parts of the frequency range in a fake way. Yes at first listen very exciting and grandeur but not real. Too big too much. for me again the Pipes present a soundstage that is life size bigger doesn't help me.
After the last CBf is removed from the line I will reinstall the CBFs at the circuits again to confirm my findings. The beat goes on.
charles
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Bill your experience with the PE units is different from what I am doing. Using all CBfs no other AM products.
charles
Charles
I realize that CBF's and PE's are different. The one main difference is that the CBF's are passive and the PE's are active filters. (I'm sure Alan could provide a lot more info. on what other differences there are.) I just didn't think the PE's deserved their own thread here on AN, so I just "piggy-backed" them onto your CBF thread since they're all AMD products. I think I mentioned in an earlier post that I have quite a few CBF's myself and was very interested in what the results of your CBF repositioning/removing experiment would be, while I was getting up enough courage to try the same thing! Besides (especially since we are fellow Audio Syndrome members) I happen to value your opinions a great deal.
The thing is, we really aren't doing anything much different from each other except that I'm still (at least up to this point anyway) experimenting with "original" placement of AMD product vs. your repositioning/replacement. Bottom line is we're both trying to utilize Alan's products to make our systems sound better, with the common denominator being placement for optimal results.
I'd like to hear from other Audionervosians on their experiences with AMD products, to see if anybody has found other applications that either you or I (or the few others that have commented on this thread) haven't tried out yet. It doesn't mean that what works for one person's house & system will work for the other, but it may lead to ideas that we wouldn't have thought of on our own. Ultimately, synergy and personal taste will determine what sounds best to each of us, but it doesn't mean we can't learn from each other. That's what a forum like AN is all about - right!?! :thumb:
Does anyone else have any AMD experiences to share?
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Bill,
Just pointing out the difference of what we are doing for the non AM fans. Thanks for all the input. Keep it coming.
charles
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Bill,
Just pointing out the difference of what we are doing for the non AM fans. Thanks for all the input. Keep it coming.
charles
There's definitely some differences, but a lot of similarities too. Very happy to oblige input-wise! The "Nervosa engine" won't run unless everyone continues to "fuel it" by sharing their experiences and asking relevant questions. That's what makes this forum such a great place! :thumb:
Bill
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Bill,
Just pointing out the difference of what we are doing for the non AM fans. Thanks for all the input. Keep it coming.
charles
There's definitely some differences, but a lot of similarities too. Very happy to oblige input-wise! The "Nervosa engine" won't run unless everyone continues to "fuel it" by sharing their experiences and asking relevant questions. That's what makes this forum such a great place! :thumb:
Bill
And I think these AM devices are the "di-lithium crystals" of Nervosa. :duh
Hey, maybe that's what's in them. :rofl:
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And I think these AM devices are the "di-lithium crystals" of Nervosa. :duh
Hey, maybe that's what's in them. :rofl:
To paraphrase some classic lines from Star Trek...
(and yes I have taken some creative liberties here, so please no hate mail from Trekkie die-hards)
Capt. Kirk: "Progress, Mr. Scott?"
Scotty: "... I'm doin' the best I can down here, Captain. Don'tcha think if I had more Dilithium crystals we'd be using them!"
Capt. Kirk: "... but Mr. Scott, we need more power!"
Scotty: "Aye, Captain... and if my Grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Someone PLEASE beam me up.
charles
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Someone PLEASE beam me up.
charles
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/Gollum13/spock-spock-star-trek-smiley-emoticon-000554-large.gif)
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OK round three. Installed another CBF at the feed going into the electric panel. There is a junction box where the line enters the house, then to a meter then the panel. Installed it inside the junction box.
Dang, right off the bat a had improvement. Sop now no CBFs at the breaker itself just at the wire bundle and junction box. The other is inside the duplex box that feeds the amps and preamp.
So the extra CBFs are now on my cable power supply and incoming box [2] as well at the monster conditioner that feeds our plasma. None of these circuits are connected to the audio system.
Now I like what is going on. No hype, no Hi Fi sound, air, decay of notes all back but without the nastiness as before.
I quess like everything else to much of a good thing is well too much. :duh
charles