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Electro Stimulation Ward => Signals and Noise => Topic started by: jimbones on December 26, 2017, 03:09:47 PM

Title: Ethernet Cables
Post by: jimbones on December 26, 2017, 03:09:47 PM
OK so Im not looking to start any arguments lets keep this civil. My question is simple, has anyone replaced a general purpose ethernet cable with one designed for "audio" use? If so what was your findings? I am currently using a 20ft ethernet cable as my NAS is about 15 ft from my Streamer.
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: HAL on December 26, 2017, 05:55:26 PM
Before you go to that stage, have you tried CAT6a SSTP style Ethernet cable?  That is the heavily shielded variety with pair shielding.  If you use the stranded version (patch style) very flexible for use.

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Snagless-Shielded-Ethernet/dp/B00HEM4ZX0?th=1

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: jimbones on December 26, 2017, 07:06:17 PM
Not sure what type I have, but it is a decent Cat5E cable. I think the "super" cables are Cat7 or even Cat8.
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: HAL on December 26, 2017, 07:11:24 PM
Most of the CAT6a SSTP patch cables use PTFE insulation, a type of Teflon for high bandwidth.  With two shields and connector grounds, should be a great starting point beyond CAT5 cable. 

If you need 10Gig bandwidth, look at the newer designs. 
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: jimbones on December 27, 2017, 09:24:23 AM
Most of the CAT6a SSTP patch cables use PTFE insulation, a type of Teflon for high bandwidth.  With two shields and connector grounds, should be a great starting point beyond CAT5 cable. 

If you need 10Gig bandwidth, look at the newer designs.

Just checked:I am using standard Cat5E.
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: satfrat on December 27, 2017, 11:55:48 PM
I use a Monoprice Cat 6 Ethernet cable, 20' 24AWD for $7.28 shipping inc. Works for me.
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10232&cs_id=1023201&p_id=5008&seq=1&format=2

Bells & whistles not included. :)

Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on December 28, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
  Are RJ45, I2S and Ethernet all the same types ? For short lengths is shielding recommended ? Is the ground important as well ?



charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: HAL on December 28, 2017, 10:43:17 AM
I have used RJ45 connector/Ethernet cable with ground for I2S Bus connections.  Even short runs should be shielded for that application.

I always use the SSTP style CAT6a Ethernet patch cable since it is stranded.  Solid core is for plenum installs and not to be moved around alot.   Easy to break compared to the stranded.
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on December 28, 2017, 01:10:57 PM
I have used RJ45 connector/Ethernet cable with ground for I2S Bus connections.  Even short runs should be shielded for that application.

I always use the SSTP style CAT6a Ethernet patch cable since it is stranded.  Solid core is for plenum installs and not to be moved around alot.   Easy to break compared to the stranded.

 Thanks Hal.


charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: satfrat on December 28, 2017, 01:20:38 PM
I use a Monoprice Cat 6 Ethernet cable, 20' 24AWD for $7.28 shipping inc. Works for me.
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10232&cs_id=1023201&p_id=5008&seq=1&format=2

Bells & whistles not included. :)

Cheers,
Robin

I should add that the 20' cable is only for my non-audio laptop. I use a much shorter 1' cable for my HAL MS-3.
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on February 22, 2018, 01:12:12 PM
My use of I2S Ethernet cable is between my transport and DAC.  To date the best sounding I have used are TWL/PIA Ethernet and Wireworld Starlite. Open big sound no coloration noticed with either design.
  The generic cables work however not to the degree of the fore mentioned designs. A supra cable was supplied with the transport. VG just a bit warm and noisey directly compared to the others.
  These cables like all others offer a different presentation of sound. If a budget issue stay put if not try as many as you can starting with TWL and Wireworld. Have fun boys. Remember there is no best just different.

charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: P.I. on February 23, 2018, 06:25:26 PM
Talk to Pete @ TWL.

Might be something there for you.

Just sayin'.

Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on February 24, 2018, 08:14:02 AM
Talk to Pete @ TWL.

Might be something there for you.

Just sayin'.

   Dave we have the TWL/PIA Ethernet cable, pay attention. We are having an issue with the female connector of DAC and transport. Loose and can either loose or distort signal. Very puzzling as not all Ethernet cables tried have this issue. Just the Wireworld and TWL/PIA cable.
It must be the female Ethernet connector. Is ther a standard DIN of such things ?


charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: dBe on February 25, 2018, 11:17:43 PM
Talk to Pete @ TWL.

Might be something there for you.

Just sayin'.

   Dave we have the TWL/PIA Ethernet cable, pay attention. We are having an issue with the female connector of DAC and transport. Loose and can either loose or distort signal. Very puzzling as not all Ethernet cables tried have this issue. Just the Wireworld and TWL/PIA cable.
It must be the female Ethernet connector. Is ther a standard DIN of such things ?


charles
Hmmmmmmm. That is odd because that Telegartner connector IS the DIN standard.  One thought that I have is that they are relatively high mass and this may be causing an issue with less stringently spec'ed input receptacles.  I'll do some research and get back to you.

Sometimes "the best" is relative I'm beginning to learn. 

Drat!
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: Triode Pete on February 26, 2018, 01:37:39 PM
My use of I2S Ethernet cable is between my transport and DAC.  To date the best sounding I have used are TWL/PIA Ethernet and Wireworld Starlite. Open big sound no coloration noticed with either design.
  The generic cables work however not to the degree of the fore mentioned designs. A supra cable was supplied with the transport. VG just a bit warm and noisey directly compared to the others.
  These cables like all others offer a different presentation of sound. If a budget issue stay put if not try as many as you can starting with TWL and Wireworld. Have fun boys. Remember there is no best just different.

charles

If it is an I²S bus specification, there may be an issue since I²S signal paths should be kept as short as possible, ideally around 10 cm maximum. That's 4" long, not 6 ft. like the Freedom cable! Longer runs will result in signal degradation or might not work at all. The I2S standard was originally written for interfacing at the chip level on PCBs.

My $0.02,
Pete
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on February 28, 2018, 11:11:34 AM
  Pete maybe so however not the issue with the I2S connection of Aqua DAc. Was designed to use Cat 5 to now 8. It is the connector in general. The female connector not the wonderful One you use.
  I have issues with some not all Ethernet cables.  I think there is an issue with the DIN of the female. That is why Aqua uses a barrel type connector similar to a balanced IC.
  Makes sense as I and my customers have zero issues. So we need that type of connector. I know Neutrik makes them. Not sure about Telegartner.

charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on February 28, 2018, 01:12:51 PM
   I did some research as well today. I2S is for data transmission internally as Pete stated. However if designed around gavanicaly isolated optical connections perfect for audio.
  Now for my use I  need an ethercon connector. That barrel type connector holds the RJ45 connector in place for a more secure rugged connection.
  The barrels are same as balanced IC. Nuetrik NE8MC to be exact. I'm hoping Telegartner makes the same. Ordered [4] from amazon. Just hoping diameter is large enough for telegartner RJ45 connector.
Problem solved :clap: :X |:D| F'n connector types.


charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on February 28, 2018, 01:19:42 PM
  BTW to let you know the Ethernet sounds way better than any SPDIF cable period.  TWL/PIA Ethernet triumphs the Wireworld [$210] I would like to try an all silver conductor one, hint, hint.
  SPDIF I tried are TWL/PIA, Mad Scientist, VooDoo, Nordost, JPS Labs and generic both BNC and coaxial. No RJ45 no modular upgradable DACs your old digital is not up to snuff any longer.  :(


charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on March 17, 2020, 11:50:31 AM
 OK Dudes and Dudettes the lastest Ethernet cable from TWL/PIA is by far the best sdounding Ethernet we have heard regardless of price. If you use one run crawl, Bike, Uber to Pete.
 In other words stop fooling around spend the money and be happy and DONE !!!!! We like it  8)

charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: Nick B on March 17, 2020, 08:16:40 PM
OK Dudes and Dudettes the lastest Ethernet cable from TWL/PIA is by far the best sdounding Ethernet we have heard regardless of price. If you use one run crawl, Bike, Uber to Pete.
 In other words stop fooling around spend the money and be happy and DONE !!!!! We like it  8)

charles

This one, Charles?
https://www.triodewirelabs.com/product/freedom-ethernet-cable/
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: Triode Pete on March 18, 2020, 09:16:03 AM
OK Dudes and Dudettes the lastest Ethernet cable from TWL/PIA is by far the best sdounding Ethernet we have heard regardless of price. If you use one run crawl, Bike, Uber to Pete.
 In other words stop fooling around spend the money and be happy and DONE !!!!! We like it  8)

charles

This one, Charles?
https://www.triodewirelabs.com/product/freedom-ethernet-cable/

Yes, my only one...

Stay healthy,
Pete
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on March 18, 2020, 11:30:39 AM
  The one and only.

charles
Title: Re: Ethernet Cables
Post by: rollo on June 08, 2020, 11:14:38 AM
  So boys get your TWL Ethernet cable yet. WTF ya waiting for? You talking to me ? Nope !


charles