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Offline Nick B

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WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« on: May 06, 2023, 09:25:05 PM »
I think I started streaming about 2007, and I believe it has always been wireless. First streamer was the SB 2, then the Auralic Mini and now the great sounding and inexpensive iFi Zen.I have always had issues with streaming, whether because of player software and/or wireless issues. Iíve also used Roon since 2016 and that has complicated things as well.

I recently switched to JPlay for a free trial. Very simple software and no Roon core on another device in another room to deal with for a while. Our forum member Jack suggested I try a Wi-Fi extender and go ethernet wired from the extender into the iFi Zen. Itís a significant improvement over going wireless. My internet speeds are also amazingly slow. I have a dish on my roof and as Iím typing this, Iím between 4-8 mbs as itís 9:00 pm on a Saturday night. I will be switching to another company with speeds up to 300 mbs. They may need to run a cable from my neighbor across the street. At that time, Iíll be trying a mesh system, a 6 or 6e. Not sure what the difference is. I would be interested to know your experience with extenders and mesh systems. It is so nice not to have to go through that convoluted procedure of getting the network to connect to the streamer and then back to my home network. It seems like Iíve had to do that hundreds of times 😳
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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2023, 04:23:08 AM »
Hi Nick. I realize this is not necessarily the response you want to hear our read, but i've always advocated ad nauseam that there's no comparison between a wired ethernet connection and wireless. Wired ethernet connection is so much better (quality, reliability, speed) so if you can, try to do whatever is necessary to eliminate the wireless portion of the audio chain completely.
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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2023, 08:05:28 AM »
Using an eeRo the last few years and never had a problem connection on a Node2i, no drops etc. 400+ mb down load.
I will have to try the direct connection. The problem is my eeRo extenders do not have an Ethernet connection.
I do have a TP Link extender if I feel like futzing with it. I hate Network BS!
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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2023, 11:48:00 AM »
Hi Nick. I realize this is not necessarily the response you want to hear our read, but i've always advocated ad nauseam that there's no comparison between a wired ethernet connection and wireless. Wired ethernet connection is so much better (quality, reliability, speed) so if you can, try to do whatever is necessary to eliminate the wireless portion of the audio chain completely.

Hi Hal,

I appreciate your thoughts and the purist approach. I have already spent a lot of money fixing up the inside of the house and am having backyard landscaping done in 3 weeks. As this is very likely not my last home, it isnít prudent to spend the money on that. When I was auditioning the excellent all silver Hapa cables, the sound was very, very good just with Wi-Fi. The priority is more to maintain a steady signal. For my next house, Iíll definitely check into whole house wiring.

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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2023, 12:03:25 PM »
Using an eeRo the last few years and never had a problem connection on a Node2i, no drops etc. 400+ mb down load.
I will have to try the direct connection. The problem is my eeRo extenders do not have an Ethernet connection.
I do have a TP Link extender if I feel like futzing with it. I hate Network BS!

I think I was looking at the Eero mesh system over at Amazon. Reasonably priced with 2 connections per module as I recall. I am planning on then using a wired connection into my Mac which houses the Roon core and also go wired to my TV. Blue Jeans cables or Supra would be just fine for that. Buying a cheapie extender with one connection like jack recommended has made a significant improvement. I have looked at the TP Link mesh and that is likely what Iíll buy.
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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2023, 06:14:11 AM »
EERO user here also

Have my router on the  second floor and a mesh unit in the basement. Then hardwired to my Lumin streamer.
Works like a charm
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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2023, 09:47:29 AM »
EERO user here also

Have my router on the  second floor and a mesh unit in the basement. Then hardwired to my Lumin streamer.
Works like a charm

Thatís good to know, Emil, and they are reasonably priced as well.
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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2023, 06:10:37 PM »
I've had only fair success with my Asus mesh wifi.  I have a old, large house with little built in ethernet. I'm currently running pfSense as my main router to Xfinity and with a 2.5g LAN backbone.  My network has 6 different Asus wifi access points with 1g ethernet to 3 of them and the other 3 on 5G backhaul (due to lack of ethernet in the far reaches of my house). My main problem appears go be a lot of traffic on one of my 5g backhaul points, which then causes a slight one to two second pause when listening to roon.  I'll be updating one of the wifi mesh access points to direct wired ethernet and (fingers crossed) that should solve the problem.   As an aside, one of the mesh access points was very close to my streamer (holo red) and it caused a mild pop corn popping sound that could be heard a very low levels.  Moving the WAP further away from the streamer helped quite a bit. 

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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2023, 09:08:20 PM »
I've had only fair success with my Asus mesh wifi.  I have a old, large house with little built in ethernet. I'm currently running pfSense as my main router to Xfinity and with a 2.5g LAN backbone.  My network has 6 different Asus wifi access points with 1g ethernet to 3 of them and the other 3 on 5G backhaul (due to lack of ethernet in the far reaches of my house). My main problem appears go be a lot of traffic on one of my 5g backhaul points, which then causes a slight one to two second pause when listening to roon.  I'll be updating one of the wifi mesh access points to direct wired ethernet and (fingers crossed) that should solve the problem.   As an aside, one of the mesh access points was very close to my streamer (holo red) and it caused a mild pop corn popping sound that could be heard a very low levels.  Moving the WAP further away from the streamer helped quite a bit.

I had an ASUS router and it performed well. Iím learning as I go along with the mesh methodology. I only have 1,533 sq ft to cover and Iím looking at some units that cover 4,000 sq ft and more. I prefer overkill and flexibility for the next house. Iíve read about the term backhaul, but havenít looked it up to see what it means. Iím not buying anything until the cable company I am considering using can tell me if they can and will get a line from my neighbor across the street over to me. I will then have the mesh units ready for the installation guys to install. Iíve had a lot of improvement just using the extender and a cheap ethernet cable, so the thought of getting even better performance with a mesh system is something Iím quite looking forward to
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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2023, 12:39:48 PM »
If you can't hard-wire unshielded CAT6 (best for audio), I'd recommend one of these devices... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AWRUICG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1



It runs within your home's electrical 120V AC lines, transforming your existing electrical circuit into a high-speed network with no need for new wires or drilling and brings wired network to anywhere there is a power outlet(Up to 300 meters). Pretty amazing technology, but really nothing new. Telemetry has been around a long time. Keep in mind, that if you use devices like Audioprism's Quietlineô Noise Reduction System, it will filter the high frequency ethernet signals... LOL!

Highly recommended if you can't hard wire... I use one for my Innuos Statement player with superb results...

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Re: WfFi extenders and mesh systems
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2023, 04:26:17 PM »
If you can't hard-wire unshielded CAT6 (best for audio), I'd recommend one of these devices... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AWRUICG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1



It runs within your home's electrical 120V AC lines, transforming your existing electrical circuit into a high-speed network with no need for new wires or drilling and brings wired network to anywhere there is a power outlet(Up to 300 meters). Pretty amazing technology, but really nothing new. Telemetry has been around a long time. Keep in mind, that if you use devices like Audioprism's Quietlineô Noise Reduction System, it will filter the high frequency ethernet signals... LOL!

Highly recommended if you can't hard wire... I use one for my Innuos Statement player with superb results...

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Thanks, Pete. Very helpful. I used Quiet Lines over 20 years ago. I like Daveís UberBUSS solution much better 👍
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