AudioNervosa
Specialists => Audiologists => Topic started by: P.I. on August 09, 2017, 01:03:47 PM
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When Charles suggested this as a new portion of AN, I immediately thought it was a great idea, but had a few trepidations of exactly what does the term Experts Corner mean? Sounds a bit pretentious and perhaps a little off-putting. That is when my personal definition of "Expert" came back to mind.
"AN expert is someone who has made 10,000 errors in one particular field of endeavor and learned from every one." Quote me anytime.
When I confront a typical book learned EE, I am always told that wire is wire, there is no way to enhance the SQ of audio by changing interconnects, power cables or speaker cables. To most of them the whole thing comes down to LCR. This from people that know that dielectrics, materials purity, platings, geometry, terminations, etc, etc help define the quality of the system. Yes, cables are a system, no doubt about it.
Digital audio. Bits is bits, right? Thank you, Ed Meitner, et al.
Same when it comes down to any aspect of high quality audio. Room set up comes immediately to mind. The room is the most important interconnect in audio that isn't a can thing. Bryan?
BTW - As a person that has worn cans (headphones) for a lot of my life I can attest to the damage easily done to ears by them.
In my mind an expert is the guy that will help us to not re-invent the toothbrush, give us construction techniques, turn us on to new adhesives and materials and in the final analysis: save us money, without being condescending and arrogant about it. I don't know about you, but getting the best SQ possible at the lowest cost possible is a good thing to me. Seems to work. I built a decent business by doing just this.
What do ya'll think?
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According to Carl Sandberg “An expert is a damn fool a long way from home.”
I don't venture far from home.
Scotty :rofl:
Dirty Harry Callahan "A man's got to know his limitations."
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Anyone that posts here and pretends to be an expert on anything is likely a damn fool. And I stand by that with my expert opinion. :pop
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"Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water."
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everyone is their own expert, you don't need someone selling something to tell you otherwise
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Any person who stays overnight at a Holiday Inn Express
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everyone is their own expert, you don't need someone selling something to tell you otherwise
Nice. Snarky, as I expected. I think you missed the point, but there you go. :?
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Any person who stays overnight at a Holiday Inn Express
:thumb: or in Dallas at LSAF, eh?
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Anyone that posts here and pretends to be an expert on anything is likely a damn fool. And I stand by that with my expert opinion. :pop
Pretty much my point exactly... 8) The only people we have to please is us... or our customers.
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PI
I never miss the point....
go the next level...ask why the thread was started....
the spoon bends
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Dave, thanks for bringing it up. I've been thinking about this recently. I like the Experts Corner idea, but I'm not comfortable with coming up with criteria to label anyone an expert. I'm an audio enthusiast and I don't think it's necessary or appropriate for me to do it anyway.
The idea was to be able to tap into a knowledge base of experienced individuals/companies and exchange ideas.
I'll be looking at this in the future and reevaluating the various forum topic headings as time allows. Constructive opinions are welcome via the forum or PMs.
Nick
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This is going to be a tough one. I think like any other discusion in audio, it would become discussions of opinions. Ive been in this business for over 20 years now and wouldnt even consider myself as an expert. Even experts coments are based on their own opinions.
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This is going to be a tough one. I think like any other discusion in audio, it would become discussions of opinions. Ive been in this business for over 20 years now and would even consider myself as an expert. Even experts coments are based on their own opinions.
What he said.
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Frankly, I'm extremely sick of the so called "experts"!
The term usually puts them above everyone else.
I'm feeling bad now..........I'm going to play with my wires. :rofl:
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Currention in my last post. "I wouldn't even consider myself an expert"
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Everyone is an expert in their own beliefs
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How about retitle it as Round Table Corner? :rofl:
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How about retitle it as Round Table Corner? :rofl:
That is what we actually have here a round table discussion.
charles
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Geez why all the concern over "experts" it is just a word. If this word somehow intimidates some then I suggest you toughen up your skin. We as a forum can easily proclaim our own experts from our manufacturing, designing members here.
There are some here who just know more or have experienced more. No one is preaching or telling anyone anything. If a question is asked by a member "Our" experts chime in. Then a discussion is initiated with "All' for their input.
IMHO Dave, Steve, Hal, Scotty, Bill are experts to me.
If a member believes they are an expert in their own mind and do not desire advice of any kind avoid the thread, easy peasy. Do not ruin it for the rest of us. No agenda here but good will.
charles
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everyone is their own expert, you don't need someone selling something to tell you otherwise
Nice. Snarky, as I expected. I think you missed the point, but there you go. :?
+1 spot on.
charles
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Reminds me of beer league hockey...
The guys that go on and on and on about their exploits in High School and Junior Hockey... you would swear they had only been skating for a couple years. The guys that said "Who me? oh... I played a little bit of pond hockey here and there growing up" were the ones to watch out for.
I find that people who tend to know a lot about a particular area, tend to realize there is so much more to learn... and that applies to many topics/areas/etc. in life.
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Even after designimg for 20 years, i still follow threads to see what other have to say. There have been many times i have learned from people on this forum. It doesnt matter if they are in the industry or diy'ers. Knowledge comes in many different forms and from many different people.
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Reminds me of beer league hockey...
The guys that go on and on and on about their exploits in High School and Junior Hockey... you would swear they had only been skating for a couple years. The guys that said "Who me? oh... I played a little bit of pond hockey here and there growing up" were the ones to watch out for.
I find that people who tend to know a lot about a particular area, tend to realize there is so much more to learn... and that applies to many topics/areas/etc. in life.
I can't say any better.
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Even after designimg for 20 years, i still follow threads to see what other have to say. There have been many times i have learned from people on this forum. It doesnt matter if they are in the industry or diy'ers. Knowledge comes in many different forms and from many different people.
Exactly.
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Dave, thanks for bringing it up. I've been thinking about this recently. I like the Experts Corner idea, but I'm not comfortable with coming up with criteria to label anyone an expert. I'm an audio enthusiast and I don't think it's necessary or appropriate for me to do it anyway.
The idea was to be able to tap into a knowledge base of experienced individuals/companies and exchange ideas.
I'll be looking at this in the future and reevaluating the various forum topic headings as time allows. Constructive opinions are welcome via the forum or PMs.
Nick
That was the point of my post and question. My Dad told me umpteen years ago that any architect designing a building should have to work a year as a janitor. Point being that everyone has valid input on whatever task is at hand. (Almost) Everyone has something to contribute somewhere. I had hoped to take the blight off of the word "Expert" to make it a non-issue, but human nature prevailed.
This is oh, so true - djdube525: "I find that people who tend to know a lot about a particular area, tend to realize there is so much more to learn... and that applies to many topics/areas/etc. in life."
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Maybe we should not concentrate on the "expert" title per say and just contribute and learn ?
charles
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Who would have the title "expert" bestowed upon them?
Would it be a manufacturer? Wouldn't "manufacturer" be a more apt title?
Would it be a dealer? Wouldn't "dealer" be a more apt title.
Would it be an ardent audio enthusiast? Wouldn't the term "audiophile " be best suited here?
Who here would have such insecurity issues that they would even want that expert title bestowed upon them??
Do we get to vote who is a so called expert?
Does the expert get to nominate himself?
Can there be debates and a thorough vetting out procedure, perhaps background checks...
We all seem so smart in front of our keyboards, typing away frantically in our kitchens or bathrooms or bedrooms.
Let's be honest ..there are no experts here, so the whole idea is silly.
Can yoiu imagine the jokes that would fly by..."Let's ask ABCD, the " expert" his expert opinion, but no if he was expert it would no longer be opinion but fact....no?
This was a good thread to start.. it allowed some soul searching and was thought provoking, let's have more conversation like this!!!good stuff.
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I think you hit it right on the head. Discussions would be only matter of opinions which I feel would cause cocontroversy and possibly egos geting out of control. .You could keep it simple by just having it about Tech Talk.
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Who would have the title "expert" bestowed upon them?
Would it be a manufacturer? Wouldn't "manufacturer" be a more apt title?
Would it be a dealer? Wouldn't "dealer" be a more apt title.
Would it be an ardent audio enthusiast? Wouldn't the term "audiophile " be best suited here?
Who here would have such insecurity issues that they would even want that expert title bestowed upon them??
This was a good thread to start.. it allowed some soul searching and was thought provoking, let's have more conversation like this!!!good stuff.
I've never been one to avoid pulling the pin on a controversy grenade and rolling it into the center of the room. As long as conversation is civil, it's all good.
Making the point that we are all or none of us are experts was my full intention.
I think maybe a better name for this area of AN would be "The Think Tank". A place where we can gert group think going on gnarly problems that we all have on occasion.
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Who would have the title "expert" bestowed upon them?
Would it be a manufacturer? Wouldn't "manufacturer" be a more apt title?
Would it be a dealer? Wouldn't "dealer" be a more apt title.
Would it be an ardent audio enthusiast? Wouldn't the term "audiophile " be best suited here?
Who here would have such insecurity issues that they would even want that expert title bestowed upon them??
Do we get to vote who is a so called expert?
Does the expert get to nominate himself?
Can there be debates and a thorough vetting out procedure, perhaps background checks...
We all seem so smart in front of our keyboards, typing away frantically in our kitchens or bathrooms or bedrooms.
Let's be honest ..there are no experts here, so the whole idea is silly.
Can yoiu imagine the jokes that would fly by..."Let's ask ABCD, the " expert" his expert opinion, but no if he was expert it would no longer be opinion but fact....no?
This was a good thread to start.. it allowed some soul searching and was thought provoking, let's have more conversation like this!!!good stuff.
Actually, these kinds of posts aren't a good idea. I'm not into the confrontative style of communication. I already mentioned previously that I thought the idea was good, but the use of the word "expert" could be a problem and sure enough, you've tried to singlehandedly ride that dying horse over the cliff.
Good communication is a skill. Its easy to piss all over people when they're trying and it's not up to your confrontative standards. That old adage ....I'm just being honest..is also the biggest cop out in the world. It's simply an excuse to be rude under the guise of being honest.
I'm also not into the constant jabs at certain individuals. If you don't like someone, ignore them. That's life...deal with it. Trust me when I tell you that I am not the only one who is tired of some of your posts. I'm not going to lose some guys who I enjoy having here because you choose to "go negative" more often than not.
Nick
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Thanks Bill and Dave. It seems like any title other than one having the word expert in it would be a good idea
:roll:
Nick
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Thanks Bill and Dave. It seems like any title other than one having the word expert in it would be a good idea
:roll:
Nick
+1 :thumb:
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People are obsessed with title such as experts, divas, living legends,...
Personally, I think it's all BS.
What I am trying to avoid (for all of us in general and this site in particular) is for some newcomers who happened to visit our site and got taken aback by some unintentional advices which they find out later to be not really accurate hen it's bad for the site's reputation.
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For myself, when looking for solutions to a problem or knowledgeable advice, I kind of take the approach used by our legal system in regards to expert testimony.
Quoted wholesale in some instances from the Free Dictionary.com legal section.
"..., the law allows witnesses to provide opinion evidence, and such evidence is divided into two classes, lay opinion and expert opinion. A lay witness may give his or her opinion when that opinion is (1) rationally based on the perception of the witness..."
This could be useful anecdotal evidence derived empirically from observed phenomena.
"Expert witnesses are persons who are qualified, either by actual experience or by careful study, to form definite opinions with respect to a division of science, a branch of art,or a department of trade.
Courts do not apply a rigid rule in determining whether a particular witness is qualified to testify as an expert. Instead, an expert's qualifications are normally evaluated on a witness-by-witness basis."
Neither do I
There are a number of people on this forum that I may solicit advice from about a specific problem.
Whether they manufacture an audio product or not is immaterial to me. Some of the most useful assistance I have had has been from those who manufacture a product for audio.
I think The Experts Corner is potentially a very good source of useful information for those of us with the disease. This is frequently information that is not readily available on the web even to those possessing superior Google-fu.
Scotty
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Expert+Testimony
dictionary.com
Noun 1.expert witness - a witness who has knowledge not normally possessed by the average person concerning the topic that he is to testify about
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I reread my post to topround and it was "over the top". I went too far. Maybe it's cumulative as to negative posts overall. Maybe it's that I had a tough day rehabbing from a surgical procedure a few days ago. In any event, thanks for all the comments and let's continue to improve and fine tune things.
I do want to maintain and further develop a positive focus on the forum.
Thanks,
Nick
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Who would have the title "expert" bestowed upon them?
Would it be a manufacturer? Wouldn't "manufacturer" be a more apt title?
Would it be a dealer? Wouldn't "dealer" be a more apt title.
Would it be an ardent audio enthusiast? Wouldn't the term "audiophile " be best suited here?
Who here would have such insecurity issues that they would even want that expert title bestowed upon them??
This was a good thread to start.. it allowed some soul searching and was thought provoking, let's have more conversation like this!!!good stuff.
I've never been one to avoid pulling the pin on a controversy grenade and rolling it into the center of the room. As long as conversation is civil, it's all good.
Making the point that we are all or none of us are experts was my full intention.
I think maybe a better name for this area of AN would be "The Think Tank". A place where we can gert group think going on gnarly problems that we all have on occasion.
I'd go for Think Tank. :thumb:
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10,000 hour rule. There are certainly people that frequent here that I would very much like to hear from on different topics because they have depth of experience and thus, I consider it expertise. None call themselves experts - they let their experience and insight speak for itself.
But with that said, opinion comes at far fewer hours. (like this post :duh )
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10,000 hour rule. There are certainly people that frequent here that I would very much like to hear from on different topics because they have depth of experience and thus, I consider it expertise. None call themselves experts - they let their experience and insight speak for itself.
But with that said, opinion comes at far fewer hours. (like this post :duh )
Good link! Now there's a guy who knows what he's talking about!? 🤔
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10,000 hour rule. There are certainly people that frequent here that I would very much like to hear from on different topics because they have depth of experience and thus, I consider it expertise. None call themselves experts - they let their experience and insight speak for itself.
But with that said, opinion comes at far fewer hours. (like this post :duh )
Hey, Mike. Great post. Before I became a member here I lurked for over a year after having been asked to post here by a couple of members that I respect very much. After everything blew up at the "other place" I knew it was time to either establish a new forum or simply move. Guess what won out. There are many people here that I have found to be understated sources for very good info. I want to thank the people that invited me over. It feels good here and I think that the best is yet to come for AN. No self proclaimed egotistical experts , but a bunch of people that love good audio and try to move forward. Cool, huh? |:D|
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About that "10,000 hour rule" It appears that it is not a hard and fast rule according to a new Princeton study.
Quoting from the abstract, " We found that deliberate practice explained 26% of the variance in performance for games, 21% for music, 18% for sports, 4% for education, and less than 1% for professions. We conclude that deliberate practice is important, but not as important as has been argued."
Link to abstract http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0956797614535810
Link to Business Insider article discussing study findings. http://www.businessinsider.com/new-study-destroys-malcolm-gladwells-10000-rule-2014-7
I thought that the 10,000 hour rule applied in some way to a pilots seat time. :shock:
While I have involved with, some might argue wasted time and money on, this hobby for around 40 years, that wouldn't qualify as a deliberate study or a focused curriculum. Which explains my vast amount of ignorance in specific technical areas related to this hobby. About 20 years ago when I purchased my Win98 computer I never dreamed I would be using it to playback and store my music. Don't get me wrong, this is a great place to end up at but boy, what a long strange trip its been.
Scotty
Scotty
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I once had a very wise piano teacher. He said that to learn to play the piano you must practice. But be aware that making the same mistake over and over again in practice is essentially learning how to play that mistake. After close to 10 years of lessons I was quite convinced I learned to be a pretty poor piano player. I'll never pretend to be good at it, but still, I have a lot of good info to share about the process.
It would seem that this concept may apply in all things we strive to do.
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About that "10,000 hour rule" It appears that it is not a hard and fast rule according to a new Princeton study.
Quoting from the abstract, " We found that deliberate practice explained 26% of the variance in performance for games, 21% for music, 18% for sports, 4% for education, and less than 1% for professions. We conclude that deliberate practice is important, but not as important as has been argued."
Link to abstract http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0956797614535810
Link to Business Insider article discussing study findings. http://www.businessinsider.com/new-study-destroys-malcolm-gladwells-10000-rule-2014-7
I thought that the 10,000 hour rule applied in some way to a pilots seat time. :shock:
While I have involved with, some might argue wasted time and money on, this hobby for around 40 years, that wouldn't qualify as a deliberate study or a focused curriculum. Which explains my vast amount of ignorance in specific technical areas related to this hobby. About 20 years ago when I purchased my Win98 computer I never dreamed I would be using it to playback and store my music. Don't get me wrong, this is a great place to end up at but boy, what a long strange trip its been.
Scotty
Scotty
FWIW... The 10,000 Hour Rule was popularized by Malcom Gladwell in Outliers (should be available in your local library)
Link to Freakonomics Podcast (http://freakonomics.com/podcast/malcolm-gladwell/) (this is an audio forum after all :lol:) with Malcom where they discuss, among other things, the 10,000 hour rule, the controversy around the rule.
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I think that an "Experts Corner" is redundant to what this forum is all about. In it's most simplest terms, it is an exchange of ideas and opinions. Whether a member with a garage sale pieced together system has something to add to the thread/conversation or someone with a gazillion $$$ system does, it's all the same. Manufacturer, scientist, engineer, butcher, baker or candlestick maker... it doesn't matter where or who it comes from! Everyone on this forum has THE single most important testing devices for all things audio and they're on the sides of our own heads! What does matter is the content of the responses, the clarity of the explanations behind them and MOST IMPORTANTLY, how the theory of all of it translates to what we hear. AND understanding that many times theory and the reality of listening WILL NOT match up!
I've said this countless times. If any one change in our system makes it sounds better to us, does it really matter why or the science behind it?
Here are my two most important word associations for this hobby.
SYNERGY is to SYSTEM, as is SOUND to our EARS.
Rant over.
Respectfully,
SN
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From my personal experience experts have taught me allot. Learned from one of the best Maggie set up person around. Actually two Jim Winey and Scott Markwell. When Scott set up my Maggies never better.
When I desired a new electrical feed consisting of dedicated lines,new panel I consulted with experts. What did I know ? Correct wire ga. for individual components. Etc, etc.
Just saying we do not know it all. Experimenting can be costly. Most of us go sideways without help of some kind. Well seasoned or field expert dosn't matter. What matters is advice when tried works.
Break-in for example for me was always 24/7 until hours reached. Then at the DC DIY Club David Berning explained to me why it was necessary to use intervals of 6 hours on 6 hours off. The dielectric needs to settle he said. After numerous years of breaking in components for shows and customers and Beta testing I can actually now hear and discern the process.
Same with synergy of components. Yes at the end of the day our ears which are very familiar with our sound is the determining factor no argument there. However if a seasoned audio person or expert suggests why there is a synergy between say a tubed preamp and SS amp I'll try that combo. Even something so simple as shielding phono ICs with Alum foil. Actually Scott Gramlich was telling us about that from his Studio work. When I saw alum foil on his personal system I laughed. He took it off and I learned right away why he did it.
For me there is no need to know the science or engineering behind why. My ears will tell me that. Good direction or suggestion is a good thing.
charles
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Certainly anytime you attempt to learn a new physical activity you can practice how to do it incorrectly.
Videos of beginners in archery and firearms usage show people doing all sorts of things that, unless immediately corrected, will result in learning how to do it wrong with great proficiency.
Then there those who are naturally gifted with physical aptitude and the intelligence to understand instructions. They are slightly depressing to encounter but very easy to teach.
The key is not to teach them everything YOU know.(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpsazE7vsA102Sg_s9OVWwFHe6Rk_XwuZNSIQrZh6dtoHsBtODCi2vNvg)
Scotty
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The subconscious mind is the keeper of skills. Learning a skill is simply programming it into the subconscious mind where the skill can be executed perfectly every time. We delude ourselves into thinking we run the ship, but 95% of our thoughts and actions are habits (programs) running from the subconscious. We, as the conscious mind, simply press the button to execute each program. Walking, talking, driving, all bodily functions, even most thoughts are habitual.
Consciously programming the subconscious mind is the most important skill you can learn.
Interestingly, studies done by Russian athletic programs showed that imagining performing a skill well was actually more effective than practicing the skill physically. Because you don't imagine the mistakes, so you don't reinforce them. A combination of 75% imagination and 25% physical practice yielded the best results.
The subconscious mind is more than a big factory robot to perform complex skills. It also has access to all the knowledge we have ever seen and it also can access the superconscious mind for information we have not seen. Unfortunately we can't discuss superconscious mind because it violates the forum rules, no religion. Ironically, the superconscious mind is where new music comes from, but dogma always swamps any religious discussion so it's still wise precaution. Too bad we can't talk about it. Musicians program their subconscious mind with skills to control their instruments, then while playing they lower their brainwave freq into theta waves to actively connect to subconscious to channel in the inspired thoughts of music improvisation or composition from superconscious, through the subconscious into the conscious mind, which presses the preprogrammed buttons for playing the instrument to convert the spiritual inspiration into sound for others to hear and be inspired that they are touching the source.
My trumpet teacher taught me to keep practicing until I could play it 10x without any mistake. That points the mind in the correct direction of avoiding mistakes rather than playing the mistakes lazily over and over to make them bad habits. It works well, because the frustration of making mistake on the 9th try is exasperating. You gotta start again. Now you are REALLY motivated to play perfectly, and this positive mental energy and focused thought programms the subconscious very quickly and effectively. The sleep (or crawling) locks it into permanent memory and installs a button on the conscious mind's control panel for future use.
When I played improvised solos I would go into theta brainwave pattern and see colors and shapes, which I could convert to button pushes which made the horn do it's thing. I'd come out of the trance with people clapping. I didn't really remember what I played. Often when recording we would just fuck around on the first take to get warmed up. I always recorded it because people were relaxed and not caring about how it comes out. Caring intereferes with the programmed work of the subconscious. Thinking about it fucks it up. On performance day it's too late to think about it, practice time is over. Worrying, doubting, thinking, these will only interfere with the subconsciouses proficiency. On performance day you just relax and have fun. Listen to the piano roll do the magic.
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Sometimes the hardest thing to do is just let it happen. With archery I frequently didn't remember making the shot that hit the bullseye or split the arrow. That shot's been made and you are on autopilot making the next one.
Definitely a zen kind of thing.
Scotty
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Sometimes the hardest thing to do is just let it happen. With archery I frequently didn't remember making the shot that hit the bullseye or split the arrow. That shot's been made and you are on autopilot making the next one.
Definitely a zen kind of thing.
Scotty
Kyudo -"Zen in the Art of Archery" - Herrigel. Very interesting read.
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Thinking about it fucks it up. On performance day it's too late to think about it, practice time is over. Worrying, doubting, thinking, these will only interfere with the subconsciouses proficiency. On performance day you just relax and have fun.
We teach a similar idea to our students in the First Tee program. It is the concept of the think box and the play box. How often tdo you see a PGA tour play take practice swings when they are standing next to the ball? this is because they usually take their practice swings away from the ball, often facing perpendicular to the direction of the hole. The will take practice swings and when the swing matches the mental image of what they want to happen they just step up to the ball and let it rip. We tell the kids to do the same thing. Commit in your mind to a course of action and then just step up to the ball and do it. If you are standing over the ball (in the play box) and start to think about it, step away and physically go back into your play box and commit to another or the same course of action before you step back into the play box. If you start thinking over the ball 9 out of 10 times you will hesitate somewhere in your execution and misshit the ball.
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Thinking about it fucks it up. On performance day it's too late to think about it, practice time is over. Worrying, doubting, thinking, these will only interfere with the subconsciouses proficiency. On performance day you just relax and have fun.
We teach a similar idea to our students in the First Tee program. It is the concept of the think box and the play box. How often tdo you see a PGA tour play take practice swings when they are standing next to the ball? this is because they usually take their practice swings away from the ball, often facing perpendicular to the direction of the hole. The will take practice swings and when the swing matches the mental image of what they want to happen they just step up to the ball and let it rip. We tell the kids to do the same thing. Commit in your mind to a course of action and then just step up to the ball and do it. If you are standing over the ball (in the play box) and start to think about it, step away and physically go back into your play box and commit to another or the same course of action before you step back into the play box. If you start thinking over the ball 9 out of 10 times you will hesitate somewhere in your execution and misshit the ball.
Could not agree more. When I played professional Paddle ball and Softball I never thought about how just did it naturally. Over analysis causes paralysis. Nervosa comes in many forms even for our audio.
charles
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Thinking about it fucks it up. On performance day it's too late to think about it, practice time is over. Worrying, doubting, thinking, these will only interfere with the subconsciouses proficiency. On performance day you just relax and have fun.
We teach a similar idea to our students in the First Tee program. It is the concept of the think box and the play box. How often tdo you see a PGA tour play take practice swings when they are standing next to the ball? this is because they usually take their practice swings away from the ball, often facing perpendicular to the direction of the hole. The will take practice swings and when the swing matches the mental image of what they want to happen they just step up to the ball and let it rip. We tell the kids to do the same thing. Commit in your mind to a course of action and then just step up to the ball and do it. If you are standing over the ball (in the play box) and start to think about it, step away and physically go back into your play box and commit to another or the same course of action before you step back into the play box. If you start thinking over the ball 9 out of 10 times you will hesitate somewhere in your execution and misshit the ball.
Could not agree more. When I played professional Paddle ball and Softball I never thought about how just did it naturally. Over analysis causes paralysis. Nervosa comes in many forms even for our audio.
charles
Over analysis causes paralysis. I'm guilty of that one... :roll:
Nick
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I find that drinking helped my bowling tremendously.
I would consistently bowl 180 -190, but with booze(vodka works best) 240 and 250 was sort of expected, I bowled my best game 289 hammered on vodka and seltzer with an orange twist.
The booze just let me relax and throw. I know where to throw the ball, but throwing it the same every time is very very hard. Some of the more advanced players wanted me to be on their team, but I told them I basically suck, but get better with booze. I would call the bar the "pro shop", go off saying I have to get an adjustment at the pro shop, come back and start throwing strike after strike after strike, people thought I was good!!
I remember one game, a new team was watching us warm up, I just walked in started throwing fresh(sober) hit the 7 pin or 10 pin, get a few gutters as I tried to read the oil, I noticed them laughing at my gutter balls, Later that night we crushed them, 7 points, after a visit to the "pro shop"! Never fails
My system sounded better with a few drinks too, come to think of it :beer:
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I find that drinking helped my bowling tremendously.
I would consistently bowl 180 -190, but with booze(vodka works best) 240 and 250 was sort of expected, I bowled my best game 289 hammered on vodka and seltzer with an orange twist.
The booze just let me relax and throw. I know where to throw the ball, but throwing it the same every time is very very hard. Some of the more advanced players wanted me to be on their team, but I told them I basically suck, but get better with booze. I would call the bar the "pro shop", go off saying I have to get an adjustment at the pro shop, come back and start throwing strike after strike after strike, people thought I was good!!
I remember one game, a new team was watching us warm up, I just walked in started throwing fresh(sober) hit the 7 pin or 10 pin, get a few gutters as I tried to read the oil, I noticed them laughing at my gutter balls, Later that night we crushed them, 7 points, after a visit to the "pro shop"! Never fails
My system sounded better with a few drinks too, come to think of it :beer:
Interesting you should mention alcohol and performance. I was in college and had a big exam the next day. I hadnt kept up with the homework and was "in a heap of trouble". So I went to my favorite local diner and got a table in the corner. I still had trouble with the material and then ordered a carafe of sangria. At the end of the carafe, I was feeling pretty good and was comfortable with the upcoming test. I did ace it and I have the sangria and a relaxed attitude to thank. 🍷🍷🍷
Nick
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Hey, what did Arlo Guthrie say about the day of his visit to the draft board...."I got good and drunk the night before so I looked and felt my best in the morning" :rofl:
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In college I wrote a paper on Immanuel Kant, drunk on Mt. Gay rum.. I got an A on that paper.
The rum was the catalyst that started the creative juices flowing, how logic tagged along is a complete mystery!
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I bowled my best game 289 hammered on vodka and seltzer with an orange twist.
:thumb: That's awesome! Congrats man!!! What happened the next time when you tried to hit 300 on that brew? :rofl:
Many musicians play stoned, always have. I guess they do it to numb the anxiety, stagefright, insecurities, etc. Liquid courage, right? Get the conscious mind out of the way. Some can handle it for a while, but eventually, inevitably they go too deep.
My father was just being nice to bring beer to my first recording session for the band. Oops! 2 of them started drinking the beer at the break, another seeing that beer was OK pulled out his flask of Remy and the session went downhill fast. Luckily we already had most of the takes.
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I bowled my best game 289 hammered on vodka and seltzer with an orange twist.
:thumb: That's awesome! Congrats man!!! What happened the next time when you tried to hit 300 on that brew? :rofl:
Many musicians play stoned, always have. I guess they do it to numb the anxiety, stagefright, insecurities, etc. Liquid courage, right? Get the conscious mind out of the way. Some can handle it for a while, but eventually, inevitably they go too deep.
My father was just being nice to bring beer to my first recording session for the band. Oops! 2 of them started drinking the beer at the break, another seeing that beer was OK pulled out his flask of Remy and the session went downhill fast. Luckily we already had most of the takes.
I quit engineering punk bands a long time ago when the lead singer puked into an AKG 414. stomach acid an whatever he was drining ruined the capsule. Eewwwwwww...
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I guess my time is done here, the thought police keep censoring what I write
just ban me
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I guess my time is done here, the thought police keep censoring what I write
just ban me
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