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The Market => Group Buys, Groupons, and Tours => Topic started by: grover on November 13, 2011, 05:01:15 PM
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Hi Guys sorry about dropping off the board, just got too busy to start the tour. It's beginning this week with Charles Rollo. Then I'll begin to post the schedule. I'm new to this so please be patient. If anyone has some advice I'd sure welcome it.
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I placed a good-sized upgrade ICs order with Grover a few weeks ago and that has been taking up at least some of his time.
When I last telephoned Grover on Friday or Saturday, he said he was only 1/3 through with my order, so I may share some "responsiblity." :roll:
Definitely looking forward to receiving the new ICs
and a 6-foot Grover PC for audition.
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charles
SMA
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The box of ICs I ordered (and a power cord to audition) arrived from Grover last evening.
I got the power cord into the system and listened a little,
but may have to wait until the weekend to dismantle the entire system and rewire with the upgraded ICs... =(
Enjoy the Grovers on tour whenever you get them...
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Can you post a list in order of participants ?
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Can you post a list in order of participants ?
Yes, that would be good. Who's on it, how long does each person have, etc... .just list the rules of the tour please.
Include shipping, insurance, etc.)
Be sure to put an END DATE for people signing up for the tour.
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Hi everyone, I'm sending the cables to rollo today. I'll be posting the schedule as soon as I'm able. I think two weeks should be sufficient to comprehend the cables performance. I've never done this before and will do my best to make it a very pleasant experience for all. I'm excited, and looking forward to this. As for rules, treat the cables with care, one thing I don't know is how well the plastic connectors will perform under these conditions. I really like these connectors and hope they will take the wear and tear. Oh I don't think insurance is needed, just make sure there are tracking numbers with the parcel to track it's location. I'll be sending USPS priority with delivery confirmation. I'll keep the tour open for a couple months.
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2 weeks might be too long, depending on how many people sign up this tour could see Spring by the time its done.
1 week should be long enough...methinks.
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Your probably right Acid Jazz. I think some may need more time, I'm sure most will hear quickly. It will be nice to see the cables change hands and hear the impressions.
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Could Rollo have them till 11/26?
Im sure he is attending both the Audio Syndrome meeting on 11/25 and my Rave on 11/26. Thats alot of people being exposed to Grovers.
I'd like to compare them to my Morrow's
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Received them today. I will bring them to the Rave as Evan is next as we all have a two week time frame according to Grover.
In the system warming, out of the box from a cold start through Lenehan S2 speakers which are brand spanking new, my my my. Not bright, hard or Hi Fi sounding, a great start.
I will pull the Lenehans to give the cables a fair comparison. They are going against Harmonix Golden Ratio [ $2800 ] and Tara Decade [ $1000 ]. We shall see. :drool:
charles
SMA
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$2800 ] and Tara Decade [ $1000 ]. We shall see.
I love the prices these guys put on cables :rofl:
such a scam :duh
Hand made in their kitchen or relabled chinese cable!
but hey people will pay what they will or what the market will bear :thumb:
Not trying to start any trouble, but we all know the prices are made up and not commensurate with work involved or rarity of materials, anyone who has made his own cable(and that would be many of us) knows this to be true.
When one pays more for a piece of wire than for a preamp or amp, then something is wrong..(as we all know)
That Grover offers cables that may perform equal to or above the other high prices cables is apllaudable :clap:
I hope they kick ass :thumb:(truly)
I always thought it was embarrasing to buy high priced cables, it sort of admits how stupid we are..or how vain
What sucks it that the expensive cable usually sounds better, like wine there are expensive bottles, and they are expensive usually because they taste best, but they don't cost anywhere near their retail to manufacture.
Hopefully Grover can deliver a LaTour or Sassicaia for Cote du Rhone prices
Just my 2 cents
mike
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I didn't think I'd have time but maybe I will. Please put me on the tour. I will be comparing them to JPS Ultraconductor II's.
-C
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Please place me on the tour as well... BTW, I'm located between rollo & Emil and next to BobM...
Thanks,
Pete
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Hi guys this is great, I personally think my cables will do great against all competition. Everyone wishing to be on the tour please PM me your address. This is complicated but I promise to do my best. Rollo can keep the cables as long as necessary. Like you topround
Oh and one more thing, try not to let price prejudice influence your judgement. You know this cable costs 10 times more so it has to sound better. You'd be surprised how often I encounter this, and how the mind works.
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About 25 hours so far and they are a changing. A tad warm and need to open up a bit.
Usually when a cables midrange is VG from a cold start the results are favorable in the end result. It appears that is what we have here.
So far no harm other than typical break - in - itus. Meaning not fully open at the extremes. A very good sign is zero hardness, brightness or the worst of the worst exaggerated sibilance. That alone would send these babies south for the Winter.
In a nutshell, so far very musical. Maybe a tad warm. Jury still out on overall character until 150 hours is reached.
charles
SMA
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Charles get the burned in real good before you hand them off to me
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Charles get the burned in real good before you hand them off to me
Your wish is my command. Done :thumb:
charles
SMA
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I was going to stay out of this but am a little irked at it being said that far more expensive cables are a rip-off. I am not talking about cables that cost as much as a tuition to Harvard. I want to make clear I am not undermining Grover's work. In fact I more experience here than anyone, having used probably five generations of his over several years. Yes they are very good for the money. I will keep the set I have as a backup. I did a rather serious listening with a very knowledgeable audiophile friend with a system very different from my own, using his own home-made brand of solid-core silver and cotton cables, Grover's latest (mine anyway) and my new ones. I have already mentioned these and it's not fair to go there again. Yes they are very expensive, by any reasonable person's standard and yes they are that much better and I am not alone in hearing this. Are Grover's cables good. Yes very much so. But please stop this nonsense of condemning pricier ones if you haven't heard the difference. It's unfair to the people who do make a pretty limited living for making them and it's not fair in fact to misrepresent the facts. Over and out
Mods if you want to delete, go for it, but I have never lost my cool before so maybe this should just be displaced.
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I was going to stay out of this but am a little irked at it being said that far more expensive cables are a rip-off. I am not talking about cables that cost as much as a tuition to Harvard. I want to make clear I am not undermining Grover's work. In fact I more experience here than anyone, having used probably five generations of his over several years. Yes they are very good for the money. I will keep the set I have as a backup. I did a rather serious listening with a very knowledgeable audiophile friend with a system very different from my own, using his own home-made brand of solid-core silver and cotton cables, Grover's latest (mine anyway) and my new ones. I have already mentioned these and it's not fair to go there again. Yes they are very expensive, by any reasonable person's standard and yes they are that much better and I am not alone in hearing this. Are Grover's cables good. Yes very much so. But please stop this nonsense of condemning pricier ones if you haven't heard the difference. It's unfair to the people who do make a pretty limited living for making them and it's not fair in fact to misrepresent the facts. Over and out
Mods if you want to delete, go for it, but I have never lost my cool before so maybe this should just be displaced.
Shep I don't think you are out of line and you make a very valid point. You cannot make any kind of valid judgement on a product by price alone. There are all kinds of products that perform way batter than they have any right to for the price that is chag=rged for them. (We all love thoise kind of bargins.) And there are also pieces tthat don't come near the performance that you would expect given their high prices, not to mention all kinds of combinations in between. The only way to sort them out is to listen. And once you listen then determine if the SQ the provide is worth the cash they are asking for them. If yes, you buy them, if no you pass. It's that simple.
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There are also thoise times when a "frend" brings over an expensive cable for you to try out and ZINGO, there goes the college fund. They are just so much better than what you have.
But there are also those times when the expensive product, which makes all the difference in the world in their system, makes no appreciable difference in yours, or even sounds worse.
It's all about synergies, and what you consider important to you, soundwise and budget wise.
But we all know this. We've all heard it so many times before. The only way to know is to try for yourself, in your system, with your musical preferences, and your own ears (as opposed to borrowing someone else's ears and slipping them on, I guess). It is good to have open minded people who are willing to try these out and give honest feedback, as well as a manufacturer who is willing to receive that feedback. I'm sure some will love them and some will say they are no better than what they have now, whatever the relative price points are.
Synergy.
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Shep. We love ya here rant away you are entitled. In general I have always had a pet peeve with ultra high cable costs. No what is high to me may not be to someone else. All in the eye of the beholder.
For me the Cottage industry cable makers can and do offer quality and good price. Big Company's like Tara, MIT, Kimber, Cardas, Nordost, JPS and the like are different. Their overhead with advertising costs, promo. [ shows] and dealer mark up are some of the reason. The other reason is they are big names that can demand a higher price. It's called business.
Now a fair price for me may be to expensive or not expensive to someone else. Go figure. It is in the eye of the beholder.
What I do agree with is hands on experience. If one has not experienced a particular cable there should be NO OPINION offered. Period. Just because it may cost a lot is not a reason to dis the cable in question.
I myself have been quality of such, stood corrected and have learned otherwise. To date nothing has been able to out perform the Harmonix Golden ratio IC at $2800 for 1.5 mtrs in my system. Nada. Close maybe but no cigar.
Now back to Grover's latest offering. So far these cables are the Cat's meow in my system. I do not know how much they cost and frankly did not want to know before trying them. They clearly have a better synergy than the Harmonix.
Does that mean that Harmonix is ripping people off. No it means that someone else has made a cable less expensively and different [ better for my system]. One size does not fit all. I do not believe there is a best anything. The Harmonix may very well in another system may be preferred Grover's cable. Again, one size does not fit all. If I did not experience Grover's cable the Harmonix would still be fine. Live and learn.
So if a cable floats one boat and one is willing to pay dearly or inexpensively for that God bless.
So Grover how much are these babies ??? Be gentle. :rofl:
charles
SMA
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I second shep's sentiment about the value of Grover's wires. Grover ICs were always a good value among budget priced high end wires, especially if detail is your thing. You guys will have fun with the tour.
Oh and one more thing, try not to let price prejudice influence your judgement. You know this cable costs 10 times more so it has to sound better. You'd be surprised how often I encounter this, and how the mind works.
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Audiophiles in 2011... :roll:
Don't underestimate the ability of ANers to recognize good value when they hear it. And don't bash expensive wires or the people who buy them, even in subtle insinuation. There is a new rule enacted earlier this year:
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=2860.msg32474#msg32474
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I missed the new rules. Nice way of putting it Rich. Sweet and to the point. I especially like pointing out the difference between Childlike and Childish. We are an inquisitive, acquisitive and sensitive lot and it's easy to cross the line. I over-reacted a bit but apparently I made my point. I have no issue with hearing cables that out-perform mine either but I would rather not...I really blew the budget on that one.
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Hi Shep, you haven't heard these cables, they are much better than the ones you tried.
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Grover, I'm curious.... I am still using a pair of your "SX" designated ICs in my vinyl rig. I think I upgraded to the "SX" around 2 years ago or so. What are the new ICs called and how have they changed (materials and sonically) since my version?
Thanks!
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The Grover ICs I received end of last week (and finally got installed throughout my 5.0 system Saturday night) are designated "Grover Zx" and have the new "Genesis" rhodium over copper RCAs which are really clean/clear. (Grover said these are from Taiwan and he mentions them on his website.) The dielectric may also be changed and the gauges or proportions of silver, copper and aluminum ribbons used.
I have used at least as many generations of Grovers ICs over the years as Shep (and possibly more?).
My system has a new since July FL/FR preamp - ModWright LS100 with 1957 metal base Philips Miniwatt rectifier tube and 2 Sophia Electric 6SN7 signal tubes.
I recently got a ModWright 2-channel tube-modded and rest of channels solid state modded Oppo BDP-95 universal player (Dan used mine as a demo at RMAF) with 1957 metal base Philips Miniwatt rectifier tube and 2 Sophia Electric 6SN7 signal tubes, as well as Bybee Music Rails on each ESS 9018 Sabre DAC.
The system sounded excellent with the Grover SX ICs I have had for a year or two.
The Grover ZX ICs definitely "synergize" better - taking my system to a new level and allowing the sonic qualities of the new components to absolutely shine.
If not the "cat's meow,"
I sure have a Cheshire cat grin now when listening.
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Grover, I'm curious.... I am still using a pair of your "SX" designated ICs in my vinyl rig. I think I upgraded to the "SX" around 2 years ago or so. What are the new ICs called and how have they changed (materials and sonically) since my version?
Thanks!
Hi Mike the new cables are called the Zx, they are much better in all aspects than the Sx, practically all the materials have changed or have been modified. I'm very please rollo is enjoying them. A 1 meter RCA to RCA pair of the Zx costs $200, I hate to say it as here comes the price prejudice. I'm always amazed how price influences perception. I think folks would like my cables much more if I charged $1000. But that's not for me.
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Grover, trust me when I say that ...
a) I would not like them more at $1000
b) I would not be more likely to buy them at $1000
c) I am thankful that you don't try to sell them at $1000!
If they do make it t this area (I seem to remember Carl signing up for the tour) I hope to get a chance to hear them!
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Thanks!
I think folks would like my cables much more if I charged $1000. But that's not for me.
It's for me :thumb: So just mail me the $800.00 difference :rofl:
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If they do make it t this area (I seem to remember Carl signing up for the tour) I hope to get a chance to hear them!
I can definitely share while they're here, Mike.. :)
And Rich, thanks for the rule clarification/reference.
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Grover - do we have an order of handoff yet?
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Hi Guys, I think we should probably do this by state. Right now the cables are in New York with rollo, they'll be going to evan 1 next. Then acidjazz. It would help me if all those wishing to participate in the tour residing in New York PM me with your address's to make it simple.
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And Rich, thanks for the rule clarification/reference.
You know while this rule was put into place to insure courteous behavior towards all members, no matter what their economic staus, it also makes great sense just from the point of operating as an audiophile. Anyone who have been around this hobby for any length of time should know that the price of any given component is no guarantee of how well or poorly it will perform in general, never mind in any one specific system (here comes that dreaded synergy factor again. :roll: ) Prejudging a component simply on its price alone does a great disservice to the individual audiophile himself as well as the large community in general. This is not to say that once a component is auditioned it is not valid to conclude that the price being asked for it is not commensurate with the price being charge, but that is an opinion based on actual listening and specific to the individual making the conclusion. As long as you respect that another person may think it is worth it to them, then it is a perfectly valid opinion.
Another quick observation - from what I can ascertain from the discussions here, I don't think there are many AN members who don't keep an eye on and shop in the used equipment market. For those who don't place a high value on having the latest and most current models it is a great way to stretch your audio budget. I for one have been able yo buy some components that would have been way out of my league at full retail price. so in my case if it was not for some "rich" folks making some "silly" purchases (note the humor and sarcasm here, not seriousness), I never would have had the opportunity to own anything near as good as what I have now. Just remember, their "silly" purchase of 2011 could very well become your "bargain" of 2013. Bash them for buying expensive gear, hell no - I'm all for it. :D
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So far so good. I will write up my impressions after some more break in. With so many new things being in the system it is unfair of me to offer my opinion so far.
I will pull the Plinius CD 101 CDP and reinstall the Lector. As hard as it will be to remove the BSGT Signal Completion Stage, it is only fair to Grover for me to listen to my system as is was.
They will go out at the end of this week to Evan. :thumb:
charles
SMA
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OK then. Monday being shipped to Evan. If you like detail this cable is for you. The longer pair have about 100 hours on them. The shorter about 50. The 100 hour cable is better focused with excellent spatital characteristics.
At first a bit bright and strident. As time moved on it lessened. I would put the character on the brighter side of neutral. Not bright in a bad way, just not warm or dark. Slightly bright. Bass response is superb. Great for bi-Amping and using for lower frequencies.
I could state all the Audiophile terms however it is moot. Why cause it is the synergy within ones system. Overall they do no harm. The top is a bit forward at first and eventually settlesin. I believe they need 200 hours to sound their best. Have yet to try a cable that didn't.
Quibbles. The Rodium RCas are known for detail and a bright presentation. The fit of the RCAs are very tight. Too tight for my likings. Let me clarify thedegree of brightness. Compared to Tara Decade, Harmonix Golden ratio and MIT the Grover is brighter in presentation. Not fatiguing, lean or dry in any way. One could say the other cables are warmer. All are colored. Not a neutral cable in the bunch. Frankly what is "neutral" ? All cables IMO are tone controls. When one finds that synergy we talk about we hear it. What can sound great in my system may not in yours. No one size fits all.
Well worth a try, priced fairly, constructed well and best of all GROVER. :thumb:
charles
SMA
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Oops forgot to say thank you to Grover for the tour experience.
charles
SMA
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Oops forgot to say thank you to Grover for the tour experience.
charles
SMA
So.... Ya buyin ?
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Don't you have these yet Evan? I thought you were next on the list. Looking forward to your (and your neighbor's) impression.
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Don't you have these yet Evan? I thought you were next on the list. Looking forward to your (and your neighbor's) impression.
Not yet . My neighbor ? Sorry, he has to sign up for the tour. :rofl:
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Hi evan1 you haven't received the cables? rollo did you send them monday?
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Hi evan1 you haven't received the cables? rollo did you send them monday?
No
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Just got the cables today. I will let you know how they are ...
Eventually :rofl:
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Just got 'em? :shock:
Man, I was hoping to pick them up this weekend. :rofl:
Just kidding Evan. :lol:
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Just got 'em? :shock:
Man, I was hoping to pick them up this weekend. :rofl:
Just kidding Evan. :lol:
Hey, I'm just the receiver dude
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Just got 'em? :shock:
Man, I was hoping to pick them up this weekend. :rofl:
Just kidding Evan. :lol:
Hey, I'm just the receiver dude
Evan glad you received them. Forgot to mention that the cables have a mark on the RCa. Install te cables with that mark at the source. That is how they were broken in. Enjoy the tour.
charles
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Evan are they in yet.
charles
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Nope. I'm busy playing with big boy cable
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Nope. I'm busy playing with big boy cable
If you're not interested, just ship it to the next person. Either that or indicate what you're doing and when you're doing it.
"Busy playing with big boy cables" isn't super helpful.
-C
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Nope. I'm busy playing with big boy cable
If you're not interested, just ship it to the next person. Either that or indicate what you're doing and when you're doing it.
"Busy playing with big boy cables" isn't super helpful.
-C
I have them for 2 weeks .Don't see any rule as to when I have to post impressions.
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This thread is for the purpose of tracking where the cables are, when they'll move, and who has them.
I didn't ask for impressions, just basic info for others on the tour.
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Just got the cables today. I will let you know how they are ...
Eventually :rofl:
Over and definitely out
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The cables are now at my residence.
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HAVE THE REVIEWS BEEN MARKED BY THE CIA? what gives??
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HAVE THE REVIEWS BEEN MARKED BY THE CIA? what gives??
Have been thinking the same thing. No review from Evan1 either.
charles
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Well I just got it last Thursday( or was it Wednesday?)...and have been away since Friday...sooo :roll:
Before I left for the weekend I did initially give them a quick ( probably 4-5 hours playtime), and noticed a step back in the quality of the sound vs. my current ICs. Everything was smaller, soundstage, image, bass. overall volume level.
The Holiday season does not allow gobs of spare time unfortunately. And this coming Friday I will be flying out West on vacation time.
So for the next few days, I will be rotating them in and out as time allows and post my impressions Thursday. That day would be ship2the-next-person day also.
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there is obviously something wrong with your system :rofl:
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Or my ears...how dare a cable change the sound. :lol:
Maybe I should take it over to Wes and compare them to his Jormas. :rofl:
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Thats not fair, the Jormas have wood balls :duh
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So ... Wes's balls are made of wood? That would explain a lot. :rofl:
I always thought he had balls of steel?
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Awright...discoveries...
First, the cables sound much better in reverse direction as indicated by Rollo...dot at the load end/or against the direction of the name-tag.
Image was higher, soundstage was much improved, the 'muteness' was gone, volume level became normal...so much better with percussive instruments definition and 'snap'. I burned them in overnight in this reversed direction before coming to these improved impressions.
Exchanged PMs with Grover, and as per his request the cables will be returned to him for final tweaking before resuming tour.
THis is a darn good cable for the price. My current cable, Kaplan GS, is 4x the price of the Grover Zx...the GS had deeper/more dimensional soundstage, the SX had a slight more forward presentation in the midrange, which sort of made the front to back dimension of the soundstage seem shallower. A different presentation.
Its a big performer...and a bargain.
Looking forward to hearing the tweaked version. :-P
Thanks Grover.
CES here I come.
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Got the re-worked Grovers this past week. Not sure what was changed from the ones everyone else heard to this point. The RCA's don't seem to be Rhodium to my eyes though,the center pin is gold colored, so perhaps that was what was changed. I let them burn in overnight, even though Grover said they didn't need it. Signal flow is in the direction of the writing on the label tag.
Tried the short pair first between my Ayre CX7eMP CD player and preamp. I would have to agree with most of what was said before. Tonally and extension-wise these interconnects are very nice. Good balance and extension overall with a nice character, not overly lively and not muted. Not too bright and not too warm - very balanced. However, compared to my Analysis Plus Solid Crystal Ovals they do sound a bit dry. I hear a bit more ambience and resonance with the Analysis Plus cables, with the soundstaging just a bit wider and a hair more "life" in the music.
Overall I am quite impressed with these cables. I will next try them between my preamp and power amp and see how they fare there.
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Awright...discoveries...
First, the cables sound much better in reverse direction as indicated by Rollo...dot at the load end/or against the direction of the name-tag.
I wonder if that is something inherent in the cable it self, or just due to the fact that it was the direction that they were installed when Rollo burned them in. Kind of a nature vs nurture thing. :-k
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Hey Grover!
This is Fred from Head-fi. Glad to see you here on AN. You are the man who first made me believe in cables. :thumb:
Grover makes nice stuff, guys.
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Handed the cables off to Pete this past weekend after trying them between pre and amp. I heard the same qualities there as on the CD player.
Thanks for the trial Grover. They sound very good. I expect that the slight brightness that some heard has now been eliminated with the retermination of the RCA jacks getting rid of the Rhodium plugs.
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Hey, how is the tour going?
I'm back from vacation and there doesn't seem to any further comments.
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in e-mail to me yesterday,
Grover confirmed that he has changed over to the gold plated IC connectors and he characterized it as smoother and more open than the rhodium plated, which he said he learned from the IC tour responses.
I suggested he update his ICs webpage with regard to the connector plating change...
He will change the terminations for my system's entire Grover Zx ICs complement when he is able to get enough of the gold plated connectors in a month or so...
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Martin's the only person who heard them before and after the change, that's no consensus.
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I haven't heard them with the new gold connectors, just the rhodium. So zero consensus. :lol:
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Hi guys, I found out the connectors on these cables are discontinued, so I'd like to get the cables back, and restart the tour with the connectors available. Who ever has the cables if you could send them back to me at:
Grover Huffman
P.O. Box 4734
West Hills, CA 91308
I'll change them over and send them back. I want the cables to represent the cables in production. Sorry for this inconvenience, I wasn't informed of the tour cables connectors imminent replacement.
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Oyaide Genesis RCA plugs are not being discontinued, and it was never made with a gold center pin.
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Hi Rich, yes these connectors are MPS, not Oyaide those are way out of my budget, and probably not as good as the minimal mass MPS. Unfortunately they changed the design on me, the new design is good though.
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Yes I found the other mfg, MPS, they look nice. Thanks for clarifying Grover.
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What ever happened to these? Are they still on tour or did they get recalled and changed again?
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What ever happened to these? Are they still on tour or did they get recalled and changed again?
Oh, I thought you had them and weren't letting go. :lol:
Maybe Grover got all busy again.
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Last I heard (Feb 1st post above from Grover) is that he wanted them back to re-terminate. :-k We have to wait for Grover to re-emerge before we know anything.
My apologies, fellow AudioNervosan's. This is the last time a tour will run like this here.
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Sorry Guys, just too busy. I plan to continue the tour this week. The cables have been re-terminated and are being burned in. Sometimes I just get swamped and have no options. People want their cables and paying customers take priority. I'm returning the re-terminated cables to Lissnr. I'm glad to have had the chance to reterminate the cables with the currently available connectors. I hope you guys can forgive this interruption and give my cables a listen, I know you'll find them interesting. A personal apology to you Carl.
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Hello all, I just received Grover's re-terminated I/C's yesterday... he sent me a 1M and a 2M pair which I am anxious to try out this wknd... will report back soon. Stay tuned, Grant (Lissnr)
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Hello all, I just received Grover's re-terminated I/C's yesterday... he sent me a 1M and a 2M pair which I am anxious to try out this wknd... will report back soon. Stay tuned, Grant (Lissnr)
Hey Buddy,
I get them next to try out on my Tannoy system with my newly "Furutech'd" 300B SET monoblocks!
Walk em' over when you're done!
Thanks,
Pete
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Hi guys, wonder why there is no information on the cables? Wonder where they are? To stimulate the appetite here's an email I got about them.
Hi Grover,
Got the cables this morning and I have to say it was well with the wait. The new RCA's are the best I've heard. I have some Synergistic Research Apex that I'm going to be selling.
Do you feel your cables get better with time and to what degree?
Thanks again, Grover - I'm very very impressed.
John M
Those are $4000 cables........ I'd sure like to keep the tour moving.
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It's been a month since anyone said anything about these cords, any movement? Is the tour still going?
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this puppy is dead. grover, get your cables back and try another route....maybe reviewers? :roll: or send it to the top dog in the regional clubs and let them bring the cables to one of their meetings to get some discussions that way.
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Let's not blame the puppy. People were generous with their audition time and postage fees. The early lukewarm reviews did not inspire excitement, nor did the mfg recall midstream to change the design.
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Gentlemen,
I have Grover's cables & I have been in contact with Grover on where to send his newly terminated cables...
Unfortunately, my wheelchair-bound mother-in-law, who suffered a stroke, has been staying with us in our guest room (which is "unofficially" called the Tannoy room with my 300B SET monos, 171A preamp & Philips SACD player). It is also my main audio "testing room". That, combined with my 4 kids currently in 5 sports leagues along with everything else (NY Audio show this past weekend, final college visits & decision for my oldest, power cable fabrication, etc.) has left ZERO time for me to evaluate his IC cables. Also, my main system room with the plasma TV has been dominated by other family members due to our Nana situation... Yes, I am having SEVERE audio withdrawl... my daughter's AudioEngine iPod system sounds great right now!... my mother-in-law is with us until April 29th...
Doing the right thing,
Pete
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Send it to me..pending Grover's approval of course. :rofl:
I did want to hear the rebooted version.
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So do the samples on tour have balanced connectors. I have Grover's crash and was looking to try the new but balanced. Pete do you still have them?
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This thread/tour went quiet...but I got the chance to really listen to the new Zx ICs(rebooted) and have to say Grover did an excellent job, well balanced sound, even up and down the whole audible spectrum, and lots of detail without any hint of sheen or ringing...really like their sound, gotta get me a pair. :thumb:
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give us some system details and what you were comparing them to.
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give us some system details and what you were comparing them to.
See page 5(the previous page) here...http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=3505.60 (http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=3505.60)
What ever happened to the systems page?
My System: Philips 965 SACD changer/Yamaha 1800 SACD player>EE DAC> CAT SL1 Reference pre> Marchand Electronic crossover> Response Audio3201 Signature --->VMPS RM1 mid/hi (Xover fq. 250Hz) >Crown XTi1002--->VMPS RM1 twin 8" carbon-fiber bass drivers.
Vinyl source is a Dual 702 with Shure Vmr.
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should i even ask? :duh
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I just received a couple pair(1pr balanced, 1 unbalanced) of Grover interconnects, I put the unbalanced in and I have to say that they are a definite step up from his previous version. I like the connectors better too, they won't rip out my dac sockets.. lol... though a firm grasp is good or so they say.
Anyhoo.. vocals are a huge step up and clarity too. Nicely balanced
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I used Grover's IC for years, and got mine ZX from Grover few days ago.
ZX is amazing! Well done! :thumb: