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Electro Stimulation Ward => Signals and Noise => Topic started by: S Clark on August 15, 2021, 11:58:36 AM
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Just got another pair of Wywires silver interconnects for a very reasonable price. I'd reviewed a new silver IC by a new manufacturer late last year, and noted that it was superior to everything I owned... except the 10 year old pair of Wywires. The new IC's are getting raves over at another audio site, but they are 3-4X pricier, and in my system, not as good. By reviewing another product, I learned that I could be patient and pick up higher quality for a lower price. Exposure to new stuff, and patience to buy good older stuff is a hard combination to beat.
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I hope this isn’t far off topic-
It’s funny or sad- depending how much money is spent. For a number of years I was ‘seasoning’ my system with warm ancillaries- interconnects, speaker cable, etc. I used gold interconnects from KCI and Anticables speaker cables to add warmth to my Monitor Audio GS60 speakers. I loved the combo when I finally got it right.
Now, I use Spatial Audio M3 Turbo S speakers, and I need the opposite ancillaries. Audience IC’s and Supra speaker cables fit the bill. I bought what some considered a ‘bright’ digital cable from an AN member- the Kimber Illuminati D-60- and it’s perfect.
I’m glad you are enjoying your wires. Silver is what I might try here.
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I had a pair of KCI silkworms for a while, and they remind me a great deal to the cables I reviewed at AC. They're good. I swapped them for the Wywires Silver (which is actually a copper IC) at an even swap. It's all about your system, your ears, and your brain.... and your budget.
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Just got another pair of Wywires silver interconnects for a very reasonable price. I'd reviewed a new silver IC by a new manufacturer late last year, and noted that it was superior to everything I owned... except the 10 year old pair of Wywires. The new IC's are getting raves over at another audio site, but they are 3-4X pricier, and in my system, not as good. By reviewing another product, I learned that I could be patient and pick up higher quality for a lower price. Exposure to new stuff, and patience to buy good older stuff is a hard combination to beat.
I am pretty sure I know what you’re referring to and I’m glad the new manufacturer appears to be doing well with his products. The geometry and construction appear very time consuming. Although I’m intrigued to try silver, my copper Audio Envy cables do a great job, especially for the money. That was a recommendation that Charles made and some other members here use Audio Envy as well.
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Just got another pair of Wywires silver interconnects for a very reasonable price. I'd reviewed a new silver IC by a new manufacturer late last year, and noted that it was superior to everything I owned... except the 10 year old pair of Wywires. The new IC's are getting raves over at another audio site, but they are 3-4X pricier, and in my system, not as good. By reviewing another product, I learned that I could be patient and pick up higher quality for a lower price. Exposure to new stuff, and patience to buy good older stuff is a hard combination to beat.
I am pretty sure I know what you’re referring to and I’m glad the new manufacturer appears to be doing well with his products. The geometry and construction appear very time consuming. Although I’m intrigued to try silver, my copper Audio Envy cables do a great job, especially for the money. That was a recommendation that Charles made and some other members here use Audio Envy as well.
For the money VG. However there are better available. I use a combo of Triode Wire Labs and Swiss Cable. Better yet.
charles
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... Although I’m intrigued to try silver, my copper Audio Envy cables do a great job, especially for the money. That was a recommendation that Charles made and some other members here use Audio Envy as well.
Maybe we can swap for a week or two? None of my group has an Audio Envy interconnect. I've now got 4 pairs of Wywires Silvers, so I wouldn't miss them (for a short period)
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... Although I’m intrigued to try silver, my copper Audio Envy cables do a great job, especially for the money. That was a recommendation that Charles made and some other members here use Audio Envy as well.
Maybe we can swap for a week or two? None of my group has an Audio Envy interconnect. I've now got 4 pairs of Wywires Silvers, so I wouldn't miss them (for a short period)
Sure. That would work just fine for me. I’m Audio Envy throughout and that includes 3 pair of the ICs. Pls shoot me a PM and we’ll work out the particulars. I’m in so. Utah
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... Although I’m intrigued to try silver, my copper Audio Envy cables do a great job, especially for the money. That was a recommendation that Charles made and some other members here use Audio Envy as well.
Maybe we can swap for a week or two? None of my group has an Audio Envy interconnect. I've now got 4 pairs of Wywires Silvers, so I wouldn't miss them (for a short period)
Sure. That would work just fine for me. I’m Audio Envy throughout and that includes 3 pair of the ICs. Pls shoot me a PM and we’ll work out the particulars. I’m in so. Utah
Already sent a private note to Scott, but a quick update to all others … I received one pair of the Wywires today and can really understand why Scott likes them. As I couldn’t find any spare ICs in the garage, I’ve been without music and all I want to do is listen tonight before heading out of town for a few days 🎶🎶
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... Although I’m intrigued to try silver, my copper Audio Envy cables do a great job, especially for the money. That was a recommendation that Charles made and some other members here use Audio Envy as well.
Maybe we can swap for a week or two? None of my group has an Audio Envy interconnect. I've now got 4 pairs of Wywires Silvers, so I wouldn't miss them (for a short period)
Sure. That would work just fine for me. I’m Audio Envy throughout and that includes 3 pair of the ICs. Pls shoot me a PM and we’ll work out the particulars. I’m in so. Utah
Already sent a private note to Scott, but a quick update to all others … I received one pair of the Wywires today and can really understand why Scott likes them. As I couldn’t find any spare ICs in the garage, I’ve been without music and all I want to do is listen tonight before heading out of town for a few days 🎶🎶
I own Wywires and yes they are very good, My buddy sells them at a deep discount.
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... Although I’m intrigued to try silver, my copper Audio Envy cables do a great job, especially for the money. That was a recommendation that Charles made and some other members here use Audio Envy as well.
Maybe we can swap for a week or two? None of my group has an Audio Envy interconnect. I've now got 4 pairs of Wywires Silvers, so I wouldn't miss them (for a short period)
Sure. That would work just fine for me. I’m Audio Envy throughout and that includes 3 pair of the ICs. Pls shoot me a PM and we’ll work out the particulars. I’m in so. Utah
Already sent a private note to Scott, but a quick update to all others … I received one pair of the Wywires today and can really understand why Scott likes them. As I couldn’t find any spare ICs in the garage, I’ve been without music and all I want to do is listen tonight before heading out of town for a few days 🎶🎶
I own Wywires and yes they are very good, My buddy sells them at a deep discount.
I like the Wywires a lot…. and I only have one pair of the silver ICs in. No need for me to listen for hours and hours to arrive at this conclusion. I will post my impressions in detail another time. I doubt I could afford even a deeply discounted price, but I’m sending you a PM anyway.
Do you own the speaker cables or digital cable as well? Also, the Wywires are silver plating over copper?
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... Although I’m intrigued to try silver, my copper Audio Envy cables do a great job, especially for the money. That was a recommendation that Charles made and some other members here use Audio Envy as well.
Maybe we can swap for a week or two? None of my group has an Audio Envy interconnect. I've now got 4 pairs of Wywires Silvers, so I wouldn't miss them (for a short period)
Sure. That would work just fine for me. I’m Audio Envy throughout and that includes 3 pair of the ICs. Pls shoot me a PM and we’ll work out the particulars. I’m in so. Utah
Already sent a private note to Scott, but a quick update to all others … I received one pair of the Wywires today and can really understand why Scott likes them. As I couldn’t find any spare ICs in the garage, I’ve been without music and all I want to do is listen tonight before heading out of town for a few days 🎶🎶
I own Wywires and yes they are very good, My buddy sells them at a deep discount.
I like the Wywires a lot…. and I only have one pair of the silver ICs in. No need for me to listen for hours and hours to arrive at this conclusion. I will post my impressions in detail another time. I doubt I could afford even a deeply discounted price, but I’m sending you a PM anyway.
Do you own the speaker cables or digital cable as well? Also, the Wywires are silver plating over copper?
Well, I’m still up listening and it’s quite a treat for me, really. So I may as well post my thoughts. I have only put that one Wywires Silver IC in…
1) the Wywires IC reveals more detail and does so in a beautiful, non-fatiguing way
2) the soundstage is consistently wider
3) the depth has improved as well, but not to the extent of the increase in width
4) the midrange is fuller/richer… instruments and vocals sound so very nice
5) there is improved layering within the soundstage.. by that I mean previously if there was an instrument in the forefront, musicians and vocals behind were present and distinguishable, but now the secondary and tertiary levels are more present and discernible
6) there is a nice improvement in the decay of notes
7) wish I could say this was a quieter cable, but I really don’t know that… I’ll leave that to other guys to measure and figure out
I have played my usual selection of music tonight… many vocals, instrumental, orchestral, some recordings very well done and others quite poorly done. For me, it’s the pleasure of listening to music I love, then the quality comes secondarily. The improvements recently with all the changes I’ve made have come more rapidly and exponentially. I’ve thought the complaints I’ve had over the years as to system harshness would worsen the more revealing my system got. Not so at all and that has really surprised me. So I’m actually very curious to add another Wywires Silver IC and also the digital to finish things. I think the Audio Envy power cables and AE SP 9 speaker cables are fine at this point. I have not gotten around to using software to measure room anomalies and use no room treatments. I haven’t researched the Wywires Silver ICs hardly at all and would be very curious what type of copper wire is used as well as the shielding geometry. Cap Payne of Audio Envy has told me all his wires are shielded and his website describes his extensive R & D. I noted that Alex Sventitsky of Wywires is located in Van Nuys in so. California, down where I used to live. If I still lived there, I’d check it out. If Alex’ Silver level is this good, I wonder how good the Diamond and Platinum are. Thanks, Scott, for suggesting the temporary exchange. I’ll be quite curious how the Audio Envy fares in your analog system.
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As I said there are better wires than Audio Envy. Just depends on ones budget. I prefer TWL to Wywires in my system. However that is me.
charles
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Not only just you, but also the gear in your system. There is no one "best" cable. Only what works best in your system.
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Repeat after me: Synergy...
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Not only just you, but also the gear in your system. There is no one "best" cable. Only what works best in your system.
Correct. However most times I bring the "Ref Cable" to someones home as EH Hutton said people listen. Yes synergy plays a very important role however some cables are just superior in every way. Cost IMHO is the biggest factor in choosing one to audition.
charles
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I'm confused. Are the Wywires all copper or silver plated copper? There is no mention of the latter on the website.
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I'm confused. Are the Wywires all copper or silver plated copper? There is no mention of the latter on the website.
Rob,
I believe Scott mentioned they are copper. Last night, I also saw a comment on Agon confirming that. I had assumed they were copper with silver plating. So if I’ve got this right, silver is the second in line in price/sound of the interconnects.
Blue…Silver…Platinum and Diamond
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As I said there are better wires than Audio Envy. Just depends on ones budget. I prefer TWL to Wywires in my system. However that is me.
charles
Yes, you’ve said that and for the money, the Audio Envy cables have been nice performers. It was just a bit of a surprise to get this improvement with one pair of the Wywires. What’s interesting as well is how nice the BP SEi dac keeps up. On my wish list, would be to hear a dac like an Aqua, Holo Audio or a SW1X, but that’s not gonna happen. I recently tried finding prices for the Swiss Cables, but couldn’t come up with anything. Was curious what they retail for and are they copper and silver?
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Not inexpensive. Swiss Ref+ for [1] mtr. is $1500 and the Diamond 3K. I use a mix of TWL and Swiss Cables. The Diamond series is silver, no dielectric and shielded.
charles
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Not inexpensive. Swiss Ref+ for [1] mtr. is $1500 and the Diamond 3K. I use a mix of TWL and Swiss Cables. The Diamond series is silver, no dielectric and shielded.
charles
Thanks, Charles. I appreciate the information. That’s about what I was guessing/expecting. Have you ever tried much more expensive stuff like Stealth?
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Still have solid silver Stealth speaker cables lying around [ one run each for pos and neg, 4 cables total] Got them Harry Pearson as a gift. I should revisit them as my system then is no where near where it is now. Silver then just exposed all the bad things.
charles
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Still have solid silver Stealth speaker cables lying around [ one run each for pos and neg, 4 cables total] Got them Harry Pearson as a gift. I should revisit them as my system then is no where near where it is now. Silver then just exposed all the bad things.
charles
If you ever get around to trying the Stealth again, pls post your thoughts. Stealth also reminds me of Skogrand, which I think I saw at CES some years ago. Quite pricey as I recall. Couldn’t find any pricing on them just now.
Listened some more last night to the Wywires Silver…a delightful IC… 🎶
Nick
Nick