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Systemic Development => Speakers => Topic started by: rollo on June 13, 2017, 08:36:21 AM
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Well after long consideration of several speakers to settle in with for my remainder on this planet the Omegas won the prize for me.
Out board custom Duelund CAST crossover. Internally wired with JPS wire to crossover. TWL jumpers and TWL speaker cables to amps.
Piano black finish bass to 22HZ no subs required a dead front wall and let the music begin.
Next week Electrician to install dedicated 100A sub panel feeding four 20 amp circuits.
Exciting times for me can't wait to get it all done.
charles
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Well after long consideration of several speakers to settle in with for my remainder on this planet the Omegas won the prize for me.
Out board custom Duelund CAST crossover. Internally wired with JPS wire to crossover. TWL jumpers and TWL speaker cables to amps.
Piano black finish bass to 22HZ no subs required a dead front wall and let the music begin.
Next week Electrician to install dedicated 100A sub panel feeding four 20 amp circuits.
Exciting times for me can't wait to get it all done.
charles
Most excellent, Mr. R!
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Oh come on Charlie, who are you trying to kid?
Any piece of audio gear that you would be happy with for the rest of your life?????
You're talking to your audio buds here not you wife. :roll:
The only way you would be happy with a speaker for the rest of your life is if you got hit by a bus 20 minutes after they were delivered. :rofl:
The day you stop fiddling with audio hardware will be the day they throw the dirt on you..... and I don't think that makes you any different than any of the other AN members. ;)
My wife tells me that she has visions of me reaching out of the casket at my wake, grabbing her arm and saying "Please, just one more record before they close the lid." :thumb:
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Well after long consideration of several speakers to settle in with for my remainder on this planet the Omegas won the prize for me.
Out board custom Duelund CAST crossover. Internally wired with JPS wire to crossover. TWL jumpers and TWL speaker cables to amps.
Piano black finish bass to 22HZ no subs required a dead front wall and let the music begin.
Next week Electrician to install dedicated 100A sub panel feeding four 20 amp circuits.
Exciting times for me can't wait to get it all done.
charles
Don't know much about Omega, but I always thought Louis was exclusively a single driver kind of guy. Just an FYI, I have officially started the clock on your "for my remainder on this planet" statement".
:) Pls keep us posted
Nick
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yummm... :thumb:
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Analysis Audio Omega Planars
http://www.analysisaudio.com/Omega.php
Way back ago Mike Galusha was manning a room at RMAF with those with spectrons. I spent a lot of time in there. :thumb:
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Oh come on Charlie, who are you trying to kid?
Any piece of audio gear that you would be happy with for the rest of your life?????
You're talking to your audio buds here not you wife. :roll:
The only way you would be happy with a speaker for the rest of your life is if you got hit by a bus 20 minutes after they were delivered. :rofl:
The day you stop fiddling with audio hardware will be the day they throw the dirt on you..... and I don't think that makes you any different than any of the other AN members. ;)
My wife tells me that she has visions of me reaching out of the casket at my wake, grabbing her arm and saying "Please, just one more record before they close the lid." :thumb:
Tom I think is true of most of us.
Very funny BTW. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Analysis Audio Omega Planars
http://www.analysisaudio.com/Omega.php
Way back ago Mike Galusha was manning a room at RMAF with those with spectrons. I spent a lot of time in there. :thumb:
Thanks for the link, Rich. I was wondering about that. Maybe I've read too many Omega posts at AC
Nick
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Enjoy the music Charles, but ... "for my remainder on this plant...", nah.
I'm with Tom, no way that happens.
Well after long consideration of several speakers to settle in with for my remainder on this planet the Omegas won the prize for me.
Out board custom Duelund CAST crossover. Internally wired with JPS wire to crossover. TWL jumpers and TWL speaker cables to amps.
Piano black finish bass to 22HZ no subs required a dead front wall and let the music begin.
Next week Electrician to install dedicated 100A sub panel feeding four 20 amp circuits.
Exciting times for me can't wait to get it all done.
charles
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If I were Klingon I would say "I swear". Really guys that is the plan. These speakers do all I want. They are a perfect fit for my room.
It is time to draw a line in the sand with speakers as I have done with other areas.
Soon a dedicated Elec panel with four 20A dedicated lines. DONE! Power conditioning. DONE!
Amps. DONE ! Preamp. Flux [ maybe a Lamm next]. Phono stage. Done! Cart. Flux maybe a Miyajima. QOL One would have to pull this out of my dead ice cold hands.
Cabling is the only area besides upgrades to the Formula DAC [ modular upgrades] where one can fool with.
Tweaks like footers, Plinths, racks, room treatments are always in play.
charles
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If I were Klingon I would say "I swear". Really guys that is the plan. These speakers do all I want. They are a perfect fit for my room.
It is time to draw a line in the sand with speakers as I have done with other areas.
Soon a dedicated Elec panel with four 20A dedicated lines. DONE! Power conditioning. DONE!
Amps. DONE ! Preamp. Flux [ maybe a Lamm next]. Phono stage. Done! Cart. Flux maybe a Miyajima. QOL One would have to pull this out of my dead ice cold hands.
Cabling is the only area besides upgrades to the Formula DAC [ modular upgrades] where one can fool with.
Tweaks like footers, Plinths, racks, room treatments are always in play.
charles
Well I must say you guys were right. Now single driver and SET has my attention again. Rethm Saadhana 102db to be exact. Maybe just have to get both. This is not an easy decision for as you guys have noticed as I really would like to never change speakers again.
With the Rethm I have the ability to use SET all over again . Other choices are limited due to sensitivity. But but I love planars as well. as well as higher powered amps.
After hearing SET at Vladamir Lamms' home last night SET is on my list again. Why cant someone make a Planar with 98db sensitivity. I guess asking for the impossible.
charles
charles
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If I were Klingon I would say "I swear". Really guys that is the plan. These speakers do all I want. They are a perfect fit for my room.
It is time to draw a line in the sand with speakers as I have done with other areas.
Soon a dedicated Elec panel with four 20A dedicated lines. DONE! Power conditioning. DONE!
Amps. DONE ! Preamp. Flux [ maybe a Lamm next]. Phono stage. Done! Cart. Flux maybe a Miyajima. QOL One would have to pull this out of my dead ice cold hands.
Cabling is the only area besides upgrades to the Formula DAC [ modular upgrades] where one can fool with.
Tweaks like footers, Plinths, racks, room treatments are always in play.
charles
Well I must say you guys were right. Now single driver and SET has my attention again. Rethm Saadhana 102db to be exact. Maybe just have to get both. This is not an easy decision for as you guys have noticed as I really would like to never change speakers again.
With the Rethm I have the ability to use SET all over again . Other choices are limited due to sensitivity. But but I love planars as well. as well as higher powered amps.
After hearing SET at Vladamir Lamms' home last night SET is on my list again. Why cant someone make a Planar with 98db sensitivity. I guess asking for the impossible.
charles
charles
How much money you got?
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Enough.
charles
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Charlie
You need to try horns. You haven't lived until you try them :thumb:
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Before you make any kind of decision you need to go back to Vladimir's house with a bunch of recordings of your choosing under your arm. Not to say anything bad about Vladimir, but if you were at a demo at his house and he picked the music, of course it is going to sound good. He is going to pick out music from his collection that will make his system sound good. As he should. If I had a system that sounded great with music type A but not too good at all with type be, you could be assured that B would be hidden under the couch whenever an audio buddy came over. It is just human nature to want your system to sound good for your friend and to pick music that highlights its strengths while masking its flaws. But if you are thinking about making a long term commitment to this or any other speaker, you need to bring music that you enjoy and you know what it sounds like so that you will know what to expect from the types of music that you to listen to on a regular basis.
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These speakers do all I want. They are a perfect fit for my room.
It is time to draw a line in the sand with speakers as I have done with other areas.
Well I must say you guys were right. Now single driver and SET has my attention again.
charles
So you lasted what, a month?
Charles, there is no known cure, just roll with it :)
cheers,
AJ
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Problem solved getting both and will sell the one I like less. Someone will get a super deal when I decide which pleases me the most.
So it will be Rethm Saadhana and Omega. Fun fun fun.
charles
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Enough.
charles
8) I loved that one word response. High sensitivity is where I'm at now that I'm in the low power amp world.
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Enough.
charles
Thanks for the laugh Charles.
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Problem solved getting both and will sell the one I like less. Someone will get a super deal when I decide which pleases me the most.
So it will be Rethm Saadhana and Omega. Fun fun fun.
charles
You need a pair of Brundle telepods. Put both speakers into one and see what comes out of the other.
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Before you make any kind of decision you need to go back to Vladimir's house with a bunch of recordings of your choosing under your arm. Not to say anything bad about Vladimir, but if you were at a demo at his house and he picked the music, of course it is going to sound good. He is going to pick out music from his collection that will make his system sound good. As he should. If I had a system that sounded great with music type A but not too good at all with type be, you could be assured that B would be hidden under the couch whenever an audio buddy came over. It is just human nature to want your system to sound good for your friend and to pick music that highlights its strengths while masking its flaws. But if you are thinking about making a long term commitment to this or any other speaker, you need to bring music that you enjoy and you know what it sounds like so that you will know what to expect from the types of music that you to listen to on a regular basis.
Tom I love ya but of course I brought my own music. Whats a matter for you Ha Ha . :duh :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
charles
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OK da truth and nuttin but da truth. I like both Planars and HS single driver [ crossover/less] speakers with seamless subs built in.
The only way I can make an honest decision is to buy both and demo in my room period. So both it is. Then as I stated "The One" will be it until ?? or just have two systems which is nuts but I am a bit wacked like Dave so more the merrier.
Nick you need a plane ticket to NY. you can stay at my home.
charles
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OK da truth and nuttin but da truth. I like both Planars and HS single driver [ crossover/less] speakers with seamless subs built in.
The only way I can make an honest decision is to buy both and demo in my room period. So both it is. Then as I stated "The One" will be it until ?? or just have two systems which is nuts but I am a bit wacked like Dave so more the merrier.
Nick you need a plane ticket to NY. you can stay at my home.
charles
Charles,
I've been to New Yawk once...when I was nine. Could I afford a burger and a cup of cofffee nowadays?? As to your speaker quest...I'm looking forward to your final, final decision on this !! 👍 😀
Nick
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OK da truth and nuttin but da truth. I like both Planars and HS single driver [ crossover/less] speakers with seamless subs built in.
The only way I can make an honest decision is to buy both and demo in my room period. So both it is.
charles
Ok, so your next purchase should be one of these http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/data/2342134/8/8f/8f7dc6f6_harmanspeakershuffler.jpeg (http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/data/2342134/8/8f/8f7dc6f6_harmanspeakershuffler.jpeg)
Whichever you feel like listening to at the press of a button! :thumb:
In all seriousness, I can't think of 2 more different sounding design approaches, point source vs quasi-line, monopole vs dipole, box vs open baffle bass, etc, etc.
I'd be very worried if you couldn't tell them apart!
So that begs the question, which does what better in what areas....for you?
cheers,
AJ
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Correct AJ. They are different designs however tonality and harmonics are the most important factor to my decision. The Rethm goes down to 18HZ uses a 7.5 inch crossoverless design.
The Analysis Omega goes down to 20HZ which is an amazing feat for a planar. I prefer the openness and size offered by the ribbon tweeter over the single driver however prefer the tonality of the single driver.
Soundstage size goes to the planar but imaging goes to the Rethm. Bass integration is excellent with both designs. Dynamics goes to the Omega however transparency goes to the Rethm. Focus as well to Rethm.
Bigger is not better. Better is better. Tonality first, harmonic structure second, focus third, transparency last but not least. The Omega is limited to amps where the Rethm is open to more choices.
Without getting into the science of each design with there design merits or faults the only thing to do is actually put them side by side and listen.
charles
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The Omega is limited to amps where the Rethm is open to more choices.
That is really a big deal as the ability to get a synergistic match between the speakers and the amp is critical to the final output.
Without getting into the science of each design with there design merits or faults the only thing to do is actually put them side by side and listen.
I really don't like calling them merits and faults. I would like much more to refer to them as strengths and limitations. Any design is a series of compromises. A design decision that increases performance in area A very often decreases it in area B. But that is not a fault in the design but rather a necessary evil to get the performance in Area and a conscience decision on the part of the designer w, who felt the increase in A was more valuable that and worth putting up with the decrease in B.
And those kind of design decisions are inherent in every piece of gear we own, be it speakers amp or anything else. Each has a different mix of strengths and limitations and it is up to each of us to decide which mix of each will work best with the rest of out system and suite out personal tastes.
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Charlie
surely Mike's 1000 watt class D amps can drive the Omegas, I mean he sells both designs together so it should work well.
The Rethym I would guess would like to see as high quality an amp in front of them as your pocketbook can stand, something with some very high quality output transformers would fit the bill nicely I imagine. and good tubes of course. I guess they have a built in plate amp to power the sub, because tubes are just not meant for running a sub!!
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Before you make any kind of decision you need to go back to Vladimir's house with a bunch of recordings of your choosing under your arm. Not to say anything bad about Vladimir, but if you were at a demo at his house and he picked the music, of course it is going to sound good. He is going to pick out music from his collection that will make his system sound good. As he should. If I had a system that sounded great with music type A but not too good at all with type be, you could be assured that B would be hidden under the couch whenever an audio buddy came over. It is just human nature to want your system to sound good for your friend and to pick music that highlights its strengths while masking its flaws. But if you are thinking about making a long term commitment to this or any other speaker, you need to bring music that you enjoy and you know what it sounds like so that you will know what to expect from the types of music that you to listen to on a regular basis.
Tom I love ya but of course I brought my own music. Whats a matter for you Ha Ha . :duh :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
charles
Hey, I didn't know if you went over there specifically to demo the speakers (in which case I knew you would bring your own), or if you were just making a social call and liked what you heard.
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surely Mike's 1000 watt class D amps can drive the Omegas, I mean he sells both designs together so it should work well.
That might be great for the Omegas, but 1000w into something with a 102 db sensitivity rating???? That would be enough power to put the speaker in orbit around the third moon of Saturn. :shock:
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I would think if your speakers are 102 db sensitive , surely you would have the sense to use tubes....
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I would think if your speakers are 102 db sensitive , surely you would have the sense to use tubes....
But of course my little Chick-a-dee. SET flea power. Now which tube type . Hoye ! Have a 211 based amp in house to start, then ready for the search.
charles
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I would think if your speakers are 102 db sensitive , surely you would have the sense to use tubes....
or the folsum 7297 chip amp... 8)
me personally? regarding these two speakers? i have heard neither, but if these were my choices, i would just get the rethm's w/o even bothering to listen to the analysis omega's. why? i don't like planars. they make everything sound too big. charles, you say soundstage size goes to the planar? i say no it doesn't, not when it's too big. just my opinion, of course. and, a big room is needed for that type of speaker. if you have the room, go for horns. i mean big horns, not horns like the rethm's. why not try the volti audio vittora's? i heard them sound fantastic in a totally crappy undersized hotel room; i can only imagine how great they would sound in a nice room. or something from avantgarde acoustics, or oswald mills, or oris/bd design, or ferguson hill, horning, azurahorn, cessaro, or...???
of course, ymmv, and it's why we all obsess over this hobby - many different ways to reach nirvana. or hell... :rofl:
doug s.
All good suggestions Doug thanks. The Omegas are on hold now. Sticking with Rethm. You can hear the Rethms at CAF with Linear Tube Audio. See ya there.
charles
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Actually no. The Pipes require a minimum of 8 ft behind them for optimal results. Four ft. to sub then four ft. to speaker. With the Omegas 4ft from front wall is ideal for my room. My clg hgt as well does not do justice to the Pipes. Omega 5ft tall a non issue.
I will have both as I sell those brands. Just talking about my personal preference for my listening time. Both are excellent speakers IMHO. Which combo will take the cake for me ? Lord knows until I can actually do a side by side comparison. Until then all is moot.
charles
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Doug 4ft minimum I can get 6 and that is it. When I owned Maggie 3A that position in my odd shaped room measured dead flatski. Go figure.
charles