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The Market => Manufacturer News => Topic started by: P.I. on January 16, 2021, 10:58:49 AM
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Guess what this is:
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Well it has romex coming out of it... it's potted.
Probably something like my Lillies, goes in the breaker box?
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There is nothing in the photo to give us a size reference, but it looks to me likeis is a smallish module.
Could it be a module to be built into another component to give the power supply a built in Digibuss functionality?
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Digi innards ??? Oh my !
charles
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Don't get too excited yet, it was only a guess on my part. Let's see what Dave has to say.
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Looks like Dave might be making a DigiBUSS Signature edition from the picture label.
Will be watching to see what he has come up with.
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I thought I posted the description earlier. My bad.
It was a tad obvious with the jpeg label.
I am constantly doing my best to improve the breed. The UberBUSS of today is VERY different from gen1 and markedly different from the last generation of 2-3 years ago.
The size is 3" x 2" x 1.5"
The wire is 14ga THHN.
It has a major revision of the original line to neutral module. In addition, there is a ground filter/trap that is very effective. Ground planes in digital gear are repositories of noise that runs amok in systems. This is especially true with the big move to streamers as the main source unit.
The final (for now) change is the inclusion of IGFD in the module.
Price is TBD, but is hovering around $469.00 - $479.00. We'll see.
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Dave,
If you need a guinea pig for the new version, I have lots of digital gear to test it against.
The dspNexus has a SMPS as does the RPi4 I am using. Also have a Maverick Audio Tube Magic D1 about ready for upgrade.
Looks interesting to me!
Rich
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Guess what this is:
It's my new DigiBUSS!!! When are you shipping it to me???
Cheers,
Pete
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Pete:
I get your old one. (purty please)
Don
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Guess what this is:
It's my new DigiBUSS!!! When are you shipping it to me???
Cheers,
Pete
After He ships mine. :lol:
charles
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Dave, a couple posts back you mentioned how much your UberBUSS has changed and improved over the years. I can certainly attest to that, but... did you mean DigiBUSS? And if not, how much will this new DigiBUSS improve on earlier versions? I currently have an early stand-alone digiBUSS plus a relatively recent (bought in 2017 I think) UberBUSS with integrated DigiBUSS. Wondering just how much I will need/want the Digi Signature... (but pretty sure I will ;-)
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Dave, a couple posts back you mentioned how much your UberBUSS has changed and improved over the years. I can certainly attest to that, but... did you mean DigiBUSS? And if not, how much will this new DigiBUSS improve on earlier versions? I currently have an early stand-alone digiBUSS plus a relatively recent (bought in 2017 I think) UberBUSS with integrated DigiBUSS. Wondering just how much I will need/want the Digi Signature... (but pretty sure I will ;-)
Reporting from beautiful downtown Iowa Park, Texas...
Hi, Mike. Nope, I didn't mean the DigiBUSS. Your Uber was the very first of the latest generation of Ubers. I have made a couple of changes since I built your Uber, but those were made necessary due to parts unavailability and I had to find substitutes.
What this thread is about is a completely new DigiBUSS version. It does not replace the existing Digi. It takes that idea and expands upon it for even better performance.
I'm sure that Charles and Pete will report back...
Email me if you want more info.
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Can't wait to hear more about it. Thanks Dave! Hope you're enjoying life in Texas.
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Can't wait to hear more about it. Thanks Dave! Hope you're enjoying life in Texas.
Mike,
We had a great time. Danny and Christy are wonderful friends and hosts. I'll be adding a thread about the visit probably tonight... I'm slammed goiing through 80+ emails and making some phone calls to catchup with what 3 days out of the geezer's life brought.
Talk to you soon...
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Well the New Digibuss has been breaking in for 72 hours. Still changing. Some noticeable changes so far are; Bigger sound stage, better imaging. Height and width improved. Midrange a bit recessed yet coming out as time goes on. Bass is deeper yet not focused yet. A more natural sounding top end still opening up.
So far so good no bad signs at all. Just needs more time. Dam outlets. Will report back. So far an improvement with great potential.
charles
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Are the improvements you are talking about from just adding a Digibuss or as compared to a previous version of the Digibuss?
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Dam outlets.
charles
What does this mean?
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Well the New Digibuss has been breaking in for 72 hours. Still changing. Some noticeable changes so far are; Bigger sound stage, better imaging. Height and width improved. Midrange a bit recessed yet coming out as time goes on. Bass is deeper yet not focused yet. A more natural sounding top end still opening up.
So far so good no bad signs at all. Just needs more time. Dam outlets. Will report back. So far an improvement with great potential.
charles
Charles, what you describe is what I would have initially attributed to the benefits of Dave's UberBUSS itself. I would have attributed a reduction in glare and edginess to the first DigiBUSS I bought resulting in a more relaxed sound stage. Like @TMazz, I'd like to know more about the context of your description. Is that a replacement of a previous DigiBUSS? UberBUSS?
I'm also quite interested in jumping on Dave's new DigiBUSs, so very curious to hear how it compares. Thanks!
Mike
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Well the New Digibuss has been breaking in for 72 hours. Still changing. Some noticeable changes so far are; Bigger sound stage, better imaging. Height and width improved. Midrange a bit recessed yet coming out as time goes on. Bass is deeper yet not focused yet. A more natural sounding top end still opening up.
So far so good no bad signs at all. Just needs more time. Dam outlets. Will report back. So far an improvement with great potential.
charles
Charles, what you describe is what I would have initially attributed to the benefits of Dave's UberBUSS itself. I would have attributed a reduction in glare and edginess to the first DigiBUSS I bought resulting in a more relaxed sound stage. Like @TMazz, I'd like to know more about the context of your description. Is that a replacement of a previous DigiBUSS? UberBUSS?
I'm also quite interested in jumping on Dave's new DigiBUSs, so very curious to hear how it compares. Thanks!
Mike
I’m interested in most anything that Dave develops! The Uber with Uber Puertos is great :thumb:
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Dam outlets.
charles
What does this mean?
Meaning they take the longest to break in not their quality. BTW they are tighter than a crabs ass.
charles
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Well the New Digibuss has been breaking in for 72 hours. Still changing. Some noticeable changes so far are; Bigger sound stage, better imaging. Height and width improved. Midrange a bit recessed yet coming out as time goes on. Bass is deeper yet not focused yet. A more natural sounding top end still opening up.
So far so good no bad signs at all. Just needs more time. Dam outlets. Will report back. So far an improvement with great potential.
charles
Charles, what you describe is what I would have initially attributed to the benefits of Dave's UberBUSS itself. I would have attributed a reduction in glare and edginess to the first DigiBUSS I bought resulting in a more relaxed sound stage. Like @TMazz, I'd like to know more about the context of your description. Is that a replacement of a previous DigiBUSS? UberBUSS?
I'm also quite interested in jumping on Dave's new DigiBUSs, so very curious to hear how it compares. Thanks!
Mike
Yes a replacement for older Digibuss. So far the new is better in many ways. Still a tad compressed however shortly that will go away. Tonality,harmonics much better. I would say 200 hours will do it. Tonight will be about 90 when I listen again.
charles
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Are the improvements you are talking about from just adding a Digibuss or as compared to a previous version of the Digibuss?
Compared to existing Digibuss. Now experimenting plugged it Uber and just in wall. In the wall better than before with using Uber. Which indicates to me the new Digibuss is much improved.
charles
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Are the improvements you are talking about from just adding a Digibuss or as compared to a previous version of the Digibuss?
Compared to existing Digibuss. Now experimenting plugged it Uber and just in wall. In the wall better than before with using Uber. Which indicates to me the new Digibuss is much improved.
charles
Thanks, Charles. Very helpful :thumb:
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Well the New Digibuss has been breaking in for 72 hours. Still changing. Some noticeable changes so far are; Bigger sound stage, better imaging. Height and width improved. Midrange a bit recessed yet coming out as time goes on. Bass is deeper yet not focused yet. A more natural sounding top end still opening up.
So far so good no bad signs at all. Just needs more time. Dam outlets. Will report back. So far an improvement with great potential.
charles
Charles, what you describe is what I would have initially attributed to the benefits of Dave's UberBUSS itself. I would have attributed a reduction in glare and edginess to the first DigiBUSS I bought resulting in a more relaxed sound stage. Like @TMazz, I'd like to know more about the context of your description. Is that a replacement of a previous DigiBUSS? UberBUSS?
I'm also quite interested in jumping on Dave's new DigiBUSs, so very curious to hear how it compares. Thanks!
Mike
I have your parts in cryo right now :thumb:
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Dam outlets.
charles
What does this mean?
Meaning they take the longest to break in not their quality. BTW they are tighter than a crabs ass.
charles
That is due to them having a different, high copper content alloy than 95% of other receptacles.
And yes, they grip like a pitbull.
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Dam outlets.
charles
What does this mean?
Meaning they take the longest to break in not their quality. BTW they are tighter than a crabs ass.
charles
That is due to them having a different, high copper content alloy than 95% of other receptacles.
And yes, they grip like a pitbull.
And neither of those is a bad thing........
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100 hour report. PRAT is off the charts. Toe tapping presentation with drive. Soundstage is larger and imaging is more defined with better separation of instruments. Bass is coming around. Deep yet a touch loose. Bass usually is the next to last to come full circle in break-in. Is it quiet, well you can hear the crickets pissing on the cotton. Yes very quiet.
This new design is head and heels over the original one I have. Will be buying two more and my original Digi will serve the TV. BTW does wonders for TV. More to come after 200 hours.
charles
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100 hour report. PRAT is off the charts. Toe tapping presentation with drive. Soundstage is larger and imaging is more defined with better separation of instruments. Bass is coming around. Deep yet a touch loose. Bass usually is the next to last to come full circle in break-in. Is it quiet, well you can hear the crickets pissing on the cotton. Yes very quiet.
This new design is head and heels over the original one I have. Will be buying two more and my original Digi will serve the TV. BTW does wonders for TV. More to come after 200 hours.
charles
Glad you like it. It is VERY different from the original. I did 7 iterations before I settled on this new version.
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As with the original DigiBuss, I'm assuming the new is designed to improve power differently than does the UberBuss. Charles, your description of what you're hearing with the new Digi could easily apply to precisely what an UberBUSS excels at. Dave, not sure you can or will divulge the secret sauce, but can you comment on the difference now between the Uber and the new Digi? If not in terms of design, then perhaps in terms of impact on power and resulting sound quality?
Hey, you've got me quite excited to check this out! :thumb:
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As with the original DigiBuss, I'm assuming the new is designed to improve power differently than does the UberBuss. Charles, your description of what you're hearing with the new Digi could easily apply to precisely what an UberBUSS excels at. Dave, not sure you can or will divulge the secret sauce, but can you comment on the difference now between the Uber and the new Digi? If not in terms of design, then perhaps in terms of impact on power and resulting sound quality?
Hey, you've got me quite excited to check this out! :thumb:
Yes, am excited about the possibility as well :thumb:
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Just watching as I have an original digiBUSS. :X
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As with the original DigiBuss, I'm assuming the new is designed to improve power differently than does the UberBuss. Charles, your description of what you're hearing with the new Digi could easily apply to precisely what an UberBUSS excels at. Dave, not sure you can or will divulge the secret sauce, but can you comment on the difference now between the Uber and the new Digi? If not in terms of design, then perhaps in terms of impact on power and resulting sound quality?
Hey, you've got me quite excited to check this out! :thumb:
The major difference is the approach to noise elimination and trapping. The Uber is a 3-stage device with:
1 - the EMI/RFI core that traps noise and turns it into heat
2 - The Power Factor Correction network - it improves the power quality factor and makes inductive devices attached to it more efficient
3 - The Final Filters that filter out common mode HF noise
The new DigiBUSS is the only device that I make that has an inductor in the Hot and Neutral circuit. The inductor is rated at 32A @ 250VAC and has extremely low resistance. The receptacle filters are very similar to the ones in the Uber, but are targeted at sligtly different frequencies.
Part of the recipe is ERS cloth combined with my proprietary IGFD and other RFI (digital noise) absorbers. There is a lot more to it including an approach to ground noise elimination that I 'think' is unique. That took most of the work and and more than a few prototypes.
As with most of my designs they are very different from accepted norms and, quite frankly, part of the reason I pot my circuits is to protect proprietary intellectual property. Of course the main reason I pot circuits is for safety.
In this world of entitlement I refuse to share my work with whores that will rob the technology and profit from my hard work. R&D is my forte' and I'm quite proud of the fact that I don't intentionally steal other peoples' designs. I'm not so naive to think that I'm Einstein or Bohr, but I do my best to be an innovator and come up with superior methods. There is a lot going on at the quantum level when it comes to electricity and power in general. I try to get to solutions by thinking up from waaaaayyyy down there.
Huh, I kinda chased that rabbit way into the hole and I hope this helped. 🐇
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To be clear plugged into an Uber is better yet. I use two conditioners. A Gigawatt SE with DC blocker and mutible Ubers. Four dedicated 15A lines used fed from a sub panel using Siemens magnetic breakers. Each dedicated line has its own conditioner. Adding the new Digibuss just took the digital up several notches. I have tried using the digital filtering of the Gigawatt to feed Digibuss. Then Uber both are VG. The DC blocker seems to make a good difference. Time to try a new Uberbuss. The Gigawatt handles preamp, phono, TT power supplies [2] and a BSG QOL. The Ubers handle the mono block amps and subwoofers [2].
charles
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OK Boys and Girls. The new version is like adding a new component period. You name it it is better in every way. Order one. Thanks Dave. Please make me two more.
charles
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OK Boys and Girls. The new version is like adding a new component period. You name it it is better in every way. Order one. Thanks Dave. Please make me two more.
charles
That is great news, Charles :thumb: Will wait for Dave to post the particulars
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OK Boys and Girls. The new version is like adding a new component period. You name it it is better in every way. Order one. Thanks Dave. Please make me two more.
charles
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I'll email you. Thanks Charles!
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I'm working up an info sheet that will have the pertinent info over the weekend. I'm down to the editing for brevity point.
Basics are:
FI-06NCF IEC power inlet
3 hand polished Pass & Seymour 5362A Extra Heavy Duty Spec Grade receptacles (no steel parts)
Separate Line/ Neutral and Ground multistage RFI/EMI filter sections
Ground loop interrupter
InterGalactic Flooby Dust RFI treatment
ERS cloth
A couple of proprietary doo-dads
I had hoped to keep the price in the $450.00 - $475.00 range, but I did the cost analysis after I got some final quotes today. Price will be $499.00 + $15.00 shipping (in the USA).
I have parts inbound and will begin sales ASAP.
{Mike, yours is getting finished and out first of next week.}
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Ordered one from Dave.
Going to be interesting to try it with a GaN SMPS power supply Music Server! :)
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{Mike, yours is getting finished and out first of next week.}
Thanks Dave! Can't wait. I'll be in touch as to how to best use it either separately or in conjunction with my Uber that also has the integrated Digi. Of course, I'll most likely use it in every combination I can think of. :thumb:
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Of course, I'll most likely use it in every combination I can think of. :thumb:
That is the only way to know...
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Dave I may have missed this but can the previous DigiBuss be upgraded to the New DigiBuss?
Cost?
Chris
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Dave I may have missed this but can the previous DigiBuss be upgraded to the New DigiBuss?
Cost?
Chris
Uhm... it would be a struggle, but can probably be done. Let me think about this for a day and I'll figure it out. Problem is: when I build something I build it 'forever' and that makes removing the old parts very, very hard.
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I need to add my $0.02 here... I received one of Dave's new "DigiBUSS II" conditioners back in January and was waiting for ~ 200 hr. "burn-in" mark to comment...
This new "DigiBUSS II" replaced a $820 Furutech e-TP80 power conditioner for Audio & Video. The Furutech was known to be a killer product for digital applications. Bottom line - the Furutech e-TP80 power conditioner is SOLD!
As Sir Charles Rollo commented, it is in every way better than my sold e-TP80. Better sound staging, imaging, etc... Naturalness & decay of notes within the digital realm is improved. Kicked my digital playback up a notch or two...
Well done, Super Dave!
Kudos,
Pete
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Charles, Pete: thank you for the glowing reports.
When I decided to further develop the DigiBUSS I analyzed the unique issues present in digital gear. This included digital clock and sampling frequencies, logic switching and esoteric issues like display noise and just how digital noise (EMI, RFI noise - circuit bound and airborne) pollutes the system AC. Unique problems needed targeted solutions. This new DigiBUSS is my answer to these problems.
I'll be raising prices on the UberBUSS and other services next month. The price on this new Digi will not be increased. I figured the materials increases into the current price.
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Dave,
You’ve posted a pic and given it’s dimensions, but I’m still having trouble visualizing it. Are there any more pics available or pics of an original model?
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Oops, my bad.
It looks like a MiniBUSS. I use the same enclosure. It looks like this:
I really need new pictures. All of my black boxes now have black cover plates. , Also, this picture shos the old receptacles. The new receptacles are Pass & Seymour 5362ABK (black).
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Oops, my bad.
It looks like a MiniBUSS. I use the same enclosure. Iy looks like this:
I really need new pictures. All of my black boxes now have black cover plates. , Also, this picture shos the old receptacles. The new receptacles are Pass & Seymour 5362ABK (black).
Thanks, Dave :thumb:
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Good call Dave. Still getting better after 250 hours. The imaging is top notch. Toes are a tapping.
charles
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Good call Dave. Still getting better after 250 hours. The imaging is top notch. Toes are a tapping.
charles
Thanks, Charles. I'm very happy with it.
Check your email :thumb:
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OK . After 350 hours no more changing. All done. Plugged directly into dedicated 15A line using TWL HO PC PRAT, Bass, sound stage, imaging especially, slam all there and better than before. Adding an Uberbuss using another TWL HO PC was the end all. Everything I just described in SPADES. I have tried other PCs including Audio Envy and Swiss Cable Ref+. Both VG however with Digi/Uber combo just different. TWL HO is King with Digi/Uber combo. In my system anyway.
Still messing around using a different power conditioner a Gigawatt PC2SE with DC blocker [ 8K ]. Pretty darn good as well. The bargin of the day is Digi/Uber combo.
charles
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OK . After 350 hours no more changing. All done. Plugged directly into dedicated 15A line using TWL HO PC PRAT, Bass, sound stage, imaging especially, slam all there and better than before. Adding an Uberbuss using another TWL HO PC was the end all. Everything I just described in SPADES. I have tried other PCs including Audio Envy and Swiss Cable Ref+. Both VG however with Digi/Uber combo just different. TWL HO is King with Digi/Uber combo. In my system anyway.
Still messing around using a different power conditioner a Gigawatt PC2SE with DC blocker [ 8K ]. Pretty darn good as well. The bargin of the day is Digi/Uber combo.
charles
Very helpful that you are listing the various combinations you are trying. What is the TWL HO? Is it the Obsession? Was just on Pete’s site, but nothing listed specifically like HO
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OK . After 350 hours no more changing. All done. Plugged directly into dedicated 15A line using TWL HO PC PRAT, Bass, sound stage, imaging especially, slam all there and better than before. Adding an Uberbuss using another TWL HO PC was the end all. Everything I just described in SPADES. I have tried other PCs including Audio Envy and Swiss Cable Ref+. Both VG however with Digi/Uber combo just different. TWL HO is King with Digi/Uber combo. In my system anyway.
Still messing around using a different power conditioner a Gigawatt PC2SE with DC blocker [ 8K ]. Pretty darn good as well. The bargin of the day is Digi/Uber combo.
charles
Very helpful that you are listing the various combinations you are trying. What is the TWL HO? Is it the Obsession? Was just on Pete’s site, but nothing listed specifically like HO
I think Charles is referring to this... https://triodewirelabs.com/product/high-power-digital-american/ (https://triodewirelabs.com/product/high-power-digital-american/)
(https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.150/mmc.3c6.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/triode-wire-labs-digital-power-cord-lowers-noise-floor.jpg?time=1614363234)
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Yes Was not sure if HC or HO was the right model. That is the one. Excellent choice.
charles
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Ok, thx guys. Pete, what’s the difference between the HC vs the Obsession?
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Ok, thx guys. Pete, what’s the difference between the HC vs the Obsession?
Hey Nick,
The "Obsession NCF" is an all out assault, starting with the crazy expensive Furutech FI-50 NCF series of connectors ($385 EACH!)... http://www.furutech.com/2015/11/18/12059/ (http://www.furutech.com/2015/11/18/12059/)
The "Obsession NCF" utilizes conductive silver mylar as well as patented conductive carbonized external sleeving to assist in maintaining clean signals as well as providing interference & RF filtering. It is my "beefiest" power cord with 20% overall larger diameter conductors than the "High Power Digital American”.
(https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.150/mmc.3c6.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Obsession-NCF-optimized.jpg?time=1614397472)
The "High Power Digital American" (HPDA) uses super high quality IeGO connectors, made with Japanese Furukawa pure copper, mated to my custom, CNC-machined aluminum with carbon fiber outer "Lightning" connector bodies. The HPDA uses all the "trickle-down" technology learned in the "Obsession NCF", including conductive gold mylar as well as patented conductive carbonized external sleeving to assist in maintaining clean signals as well... It is no slouch of a cord...
If you have further questions, let me know.
Best regards,
Pete
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Ok, thx guys. Pete, what’s the difference between the HC vs the Obsession?
Hey Nick,
The "Obsession NCF" is an all out assault, starting with the crazy expensive Furutech FI-50 NCF series of connectors ($385 EACH!)... http://www.furutech.com/2015/11/18/12059/ (http://www.furutech.com/2015/11/18/12059/)
The "Obsession NCF" utilizes conductive silver mylar as well as patented conductive carbonized external sleeving to assist in maintaining clean signals as well as providing interference & RF filtering. It is my "beefiest" power cord with 20% overall larger diameter conductors than the "High Power Digital American”.
(https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.150/mmc.3c6.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Obsession-NCF-optimized.jpg?time=1614397472)
The "High Power Digital American" (HPDA) uses super high quality IeGO connectors, made with Japanese Furukawa pure copper, mated to my custom, CNC-machined aluminum with carbon fiber outer "Lightning" connector bodies. The HPDA uses all the "trickle-down" technology learned in the "Obsession NCF", including conductive gold mylar as well as patented conductive carbonized external sleeving to assist in maintaining clean signals as well... It is no slouch of a cord...
If you have further questions, let me know.
Best regards,
Pete
Thanks for the detailed explanation, Pete. Amazing quality materials and R and D.