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The Market => Manufacturer News => Topic started by: bpape on February 15, 2009, 02:52:54 PM
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After many many requests (and me banging on Glenn for over a year now), we've finally gotten our Art Panels on the site and ready to go. These are essentially our 242 Elite Panels but with your choice of art on the cloth using a dye sublimation process so it doesn't interfere with the acoustical properties. We can do a single picture spread across a series of panels or a single picture each.
Here is a pic of one of the series panels
(http://www.gikacoustics.com/images/art_panel_500.jpg)
More information can be found here.
http://www.gikacoustics.com/gik_artpanel.html
Other art can be used provided it's in enough resolution to be scaled properly.
Bryan
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Finally someone has produced an attractive panel and made it available for sale. These might actually meet the WAF. Nice job! :clap:
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My wife wants me to find something like this
(http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5884703/2/istockphoto_5884703-turntable-in-motion.jpg)
and break it up into 2-3 panels. I need to find something with more background and less white space.
Bryan
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Hey Brian, BRILLIANT!!!!! They look great. They should sell very well. Best of luck. BTW the prices are quite fair. A winner for sure.
charles
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Bryan, those are definitely trick. :drool: Very cool indeed!
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Thanks for the kind words guys. We hope these are going to be a good seller for us.
Here is the other turntable pic I was trying to post. Just have to get him to mod it so the stylus doesn't look like a tree trunk!
Thanks for the save Carl!
Bryan
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Sexy. 8)
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Wow, very nice work! That's gonna pump up the WAF big time! 8)
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Would you guys mind posting a pic or 2 each of something that would interest you ( and the significant other if applicable) for a single or a series? We're just trying to get a better handle on the types of things people want so we can maybe have a few 'standard' offerings.
Bryan
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(http://www.wingtip.co.uk/music-notes1.png)
(http://www.classical-guitar-world.com/images/ramirez-centanario-classical-guitar-5463.jpg)
(http://www.stringrepair.com/images/db6/1.jpg)
(http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PMU1229.jpg)
(https://aboveallart.com/images/JazzTrio.jpg)
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The last one LW posted is exactly what I'd be looking for.. and my wife would like it too.
If you could commission an artist who has a cool/hip style that isn't too bold you might get something really nice and unique.. There should be a good many local artists looking for work right now.
-C
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My wife is into this kind of stuff.......
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Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.
Any others?
Bryan
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Interesting stuff guys. Thanks.
Any others?
Bryan
If I was a single guy...this would look very nice up on my wall.....or cooking me breakfast!
Cars would be another thing that I think would go over well. If I could get some manufactures to pay for it, company logos is another area I would look at. The marketing guy in me says you should look hard at this area.
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Nice one John. Do you think that will help your WAF?
I thought about pictures of musical heros, favorite artists, etc. They can adorn the walls like a shrine, and do some good acoustically too.
(http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/4660/Archives/Beethoven-max.jpg)
Beethoven
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Kije.jpg/375px-Kije.jpg) Movie Poster from 1934 Russian film "Lt. Kije" music composed by Prokofiev
(http://dkpresents.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/clifford_brown.jpg)
Clifford Brown
Probably these wouldn't be a standard series material.... But you could do genres, like classical Beethoven Brahms, Bach, Shubert, Haydn, etc. Then Blues guitarists, Jazzers, hard rock lead singers, etc. Mayber a half dozen in each category would allow people to pick their favorite three. Finding non-copyrighted pictures of modern stars could be difficult. But even if you pay for them it might still be worthwhile.
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Nice one John. Do you think that will help your WAF?
God no! That is why I mentioned it would be cool for a single guy but a married guy like me would probably not get away with it.
The more I think about I really like the company logo idea.
Or to change it up just a little, this would look cool on my wall.....
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I'm thinking there's a business opportunity here... design the panels so the artwork can be easily replaced. People could change the artwork as they see fit. How cool would that be? Different artwork for each season or when you get bored. For John's single guy - a different girl every month.
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While that would be really nice to do, it would make manufacturing interesting to say the least. We can take a look certainly.
Bryan
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While that would be really nice to do, it would make manufacturing interesting to say the least. We can take a look certainly.
Bryan
Yeah, I can imagine the complexity (and therefore cost) to do that, but it would help the WAF factor - at least for me. Bryan, what is the material the prints are being made on?
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I really don't know about the material. I work remotely from the factory and haven't seen one - yet. I know you have to be pretty careful with fabric to do dye-sub on it.
Bryan
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Can you do some custom work to just do the dye-sub on the fabric and sell the fabric? I don't need the whole panel. But I definitely need something like the art panel fabric to go over some stuff I've built and will be building. We can take it to PM if you'd like to discuss privately. But I think others might be interested if that is a planned product or something that could be worked out. I bet we could get enough for a group buy of sorts....
I've been looking for something exactly like this and didn't know of any sources to get it done.
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Hi Shane
Sure. We can do that. I don't know what the cost would be but it will be a significant portion of the cost of the finished panel given the high cost of the dye-sub printing.
Bryan
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shoot me a PM with what it would be per 2X4 panel. Will likely need something on the order of 14 of them at least to do a couple rooms. most will likely be black and white images with a couple color ones mixed in for interest and contrast. Does the color versus black and white make it easier to do them?
She wants to simulate a number of black framed photographs. So a price on 2X4 versus 4X4 versus 2X2 that may need to be mixed together to achieve the desired effect.
Is it possible to only do the dye on a portion of the panel so that you end up with a border? (again, going for the picture with white matte like border)
Or is there "overspray" like effect with the dye process that has to be hidden off the edges?
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I'd be very interested as well. I may very well be more cost effective to just buy the GIK ArtPanel but it also sounds like a fun project. If possible, post prices here. Any chance there's a group buy opportunity lurking?
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We might be able to work something out for a group buy.
Shane
So all of these will have side frames and you only need 2'x4'? No extra to wrap? We can certainly do whitespace around the print. We can make them pretty much any size up to 4'x6' but we print in one 4'x6' sheet and can do multiple prints on a single. That's the most cost effective way
I'll talk to Glenn and get some pricing.
Bryan
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That sounds awesome. The large size gets my imagination going... stand clear.
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Anything bigger than 2'x4' would have to be the art only. We don't make the finished panels any bigger.
Bryan
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I know,,,, that's cool.
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no wrap... This would be face only.
4X6, huh? and multiples on the same 4X6.... Hmmmm... possibilities.....
Unless it's ridiculous pricing, you're getting an order. Definitely anxious to see group buy pricing...
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any news on pricing? I need to factor this into the equation of how I'm going to tame some of the rooms. Thanks in advance!
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Still trying to work with Glenn. The printing is very expensive to have done. Basically, right now, it looks like $140 for a 2'x4' print until we get up to around 15 pcs (or combination of 2x2's, 4x4's, etc. to be equivalent). After that, we can probably do a bit more but not sure how much.
Bryan
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I need at least the equivalent of 15 myself... but not at $140 each... please find out the volume price and shoot me a PM. Thanks!
Also, all of these will be black and white... no color... so that should make things a bit easier?
Those prices don't include the price to use an Istockphoto shot, correct? we provide that to you and the $140 is for just a piece of fabric dyed, correct?
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Unfortunately, that was the volume price. Normally, they go for $155 and even at that, we're making very very little.
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Thanks for checking. Count me out for now. I'll try to find another way to get it done.
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I'm still working on it to see if the printer will give us a break if we're doing a lot at once. I'm not holding my breath though. The price we're getting now is considerably less than several other places we checked with and it's based on printing a single 4x6 with multiple pics on it already.
Bryan
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Thanks Bry. I'm still interested. It is not cheap, but maybe just as valuable as a big tapestry that I could actually tolerate looking at everyday (not Tuscany Sunset) or an oriental rug that is not acoustically transparent.
Questeonies for the bPapester:
Is it printed on Guilford 701? Shade of white?
Can you do full color printing?
Do you accept graphics rated R? X? XXX? Is the printer a prude?
How much does the dye sub ink clog the fabric and reduce transparency? On paper dye-sub can be shiny. Maybe there are different kinds of ink without varnish?
Since I was the first to propose the idea of custom graphics on AC can I get a special discount (more than Shane is all I care about) or maybe a royalty per sq foot? Thanks... ;)
Suggested custom graphics for guaranteed WAF:
Your (her) wedding picture
Your (her) kids
Her parents
Her parents wedding picture (slam dunk - if she says shit about this one, you can tell on her)
NOT her parents' other kids
NOT your parents or their kids
NOT Ferrari, Beethoven, F15, Stallion, Picasso, Dogs playing Cards, maybe van gogh
NOT nude, unless it's you. But that would distract from listening experience.
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Me being nude would absolutely be a distraction, and not a good one. :shock: :-&
I don't know if the printer would have issues with less than politically correct subject matter. I kind of doubt it.
The cloth is not Guilford but a special cloth that is the best we've found for both printing and the acoustic performance. It is a white but we can have borders printed around a graphic in a solid color.
It is full color printing.
The reason it's so expensive is that it is the Dye Sub which is the only method that won't impact the acoustical performance.
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Bryan,
How well does it do with hi-res photography? Just wondering what kind of resolution you can expect in this process onto cloth. Also, if you're printing 3 2x4 prints at a time onto a 4x6 sheet, are you breaking a single image apart into three components or do you need 3 separate appropriately sized/scaled image files.
I'm still interested although the price of 3 2x4 prints at $140 a print has me evaluating alternatives (as in, the wall looks pretty good just like it is - maybe I'll just buy 3 cases of wine instead ;-)
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maybe I'll just buy 3 cases of wine instead ;-)
There you go Mike...3 cases of wine and you won't care what anything looks like :rofl:!!!
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But it would make for some fun GTGs!
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maybe I'll just buy 3 cases of wine instead ;-)
There you go Mike...3 cases of wine and you won't care what anything looks like :rofl:!!!
But after all the wine is gone....the panels would still be there...and doing their job.
Their a good "investment".... ;)
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The better the resolution of the file and the closer to the size and ratio of the finished product, the better the results will be.
Yes - it's expensive, but everything is relative.
Bryan
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Dye sub is an expensive way to print but yields excellent image quality and color saturation... And since it has the lowest impact on material reflection, is a great solution for us. As with anything that's basically ideal in every way, it's expensive. Not everyone will be able to afford or appreciate what you're doing.. the time it went into figuring it out, made in the USA, etc.
Best of luck,
Carl