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Online James Edward

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Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« on: May 22, 2018, 02:57:29 PM »
Hi All,
I have accepted a tentative but seems real offer to sell my Legacy Focus SE speakers. I have never enjoyed sound more than with these guys. My living quarters are going to change, and they are not exactly portable. Iíve had several rather Ďchoiceí speakers in the house, but none that made more things listenable than these.
As soon as this offer becomes reality, I plan to order the Spatial M3. Itís a departure from the many box speakers I have owned throughout my career as a music enthusiast.
I figure what the hell, Iím 58, and should experience a few other speaker types before I go deaf or get hit by a bus... Iíve been to many audio shows, and open baffle speakers have always sounded good/great to me, such as Emerald Physics, Pure Audio Project, and of course Spatial.
Any experience here with this model, or others like it?

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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2018, 04:12:36 PM »
Congrats on your decision James. I wish you luck in your new living arrangement and in finding your next speakers.
And thanks for inspiring me to get a pair of Focus SE for myself, I have been enjoying them immensely.

I've owned and heard a few OB speakers. It's a different sound than box speakers. Like you said, you have to experience it to know if it's up your alley.
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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2018, 04:34:09 PM »
My first high end speakers were a pair of Dahlquist DQ-10s. They were of course limited by the quality of the drivers available at the time, but they were rather groundbreaking in terms of open baffle design and phase and time alignment. And while they certainly cannot keep up with current state of the art designs, I heard a pair not to long ago and they still sound pretty damn good.

I agree with Rich, OB speakers have a different sound that other types. I cannot say it is better per se tan box types, just different. A particular OB design may be better than a particular box, or planar or any other type of speaker, but I would never say that any one type is better overall. Each type of speaker has its own strengths, weaknesses and design challenges. and each type may be better or worse in particular rooms and with certain types of music. What is best for any particular person is a combination of what they listen to and where they listen too it, and to some extent what equipment they are going to use with it.

There are too many variables to be able to make definitive statements about anything being the best. But much of the fun of this hobby is the experimentation and mixing and matching to find out what work best for you.
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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2018, 04:52:48 PM »
Hi All,
I have accepted a tentative but seems real offer to sell my Legacy Focus SE speakers. I have never enjoyed sound more than with these guys. My living quarters are going to change, and they are not exactly portable. Iíve had several rather Ďchoiceí speakers in the house, but none that made more things listenable than these.
As soon as this offer becomes reality, I plan to order the Spatial M3. Itís a departure from the many box speakers I have owned throughout my career as a music enthusiast.
I figure what the hell, Iím 58, and should experience a few other speaker types before I go deaf or get hit by a bus... Iíve been to many audio shows, and open baffle speakers have always sounded good/great to me, such as Emerald Physics, Pure Audio Project, and of course Spatial.
Any experience here with this model, or others like it?


Iím pretty sure shadowlight had Zuís for a while and then switched to Spatial 3s or 4s.
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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2018, 06:27:08 PM »
Hi All,
I have accepted a tentative but seems real offer to sell my Legacy Focus SE speakers. I have never enjoyed sound more than with these guys. My living quarters are going to change, and they are not exactly portable. Iíve had several rather Ďchoiceí speakers in the house, but none that made more things listenable than these.
As soon as this offer becomes reality, I plan to order the Spatial M3. Itís a departure from the many box speakers I have owned throughout my career as a music enthusiast.
I figure what the hell, Iím 58, and should experience a few other speaker types before I go deaf or get hit by a bus... Iíve been to many audio shows, and open baffle speakers have always sounded good/great to me, such as Emerald Physics, Pure Audio Project, and of course Spatial.
Any experience here with this model, or others like it?

I have Spatial 3 Turbo S model and they replaced Zu Druid V.  I like both speakers but in my setup the Zu's sound more refined.  I would say the issue is with my room height and width.  I think it needs 2 to 3 feet in width and another 2 feet in height breathing room.  The last GTG at the house we had Spatial 4 and they were in the family room and the sound was much better.

If you are in the NY/NJ area you are more than welcome to come over and have a listen to them.

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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2018, 06:30:46 PM »
I live on Long island I may take you up on the offer to hear them  8)
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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2018, 05:25:20 AM »
I would very much like to hear them too. I don't know if you care to swap any gear out but I just picked up a Megaschino from Tommy and the thing is freaking killer.

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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2018, 05:59:43 AM »
I live on Long island I may take you up on the offer to hear them  8)

I would very much like to hear them too. I don't know if you care to swap any gear out but I just picked up a Megaschino from Tommy and the thing is freaking killer.

I am more than happy for anyone who wants to have a listen come on over.  I also do not have any issues in swapping gear out. 

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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2018, 03:09:43 PM »
I would like some impressions, negative or positive. To be honest, I love the Legacys, but space and moving constraints are an issue. I never do sweet spot or critical listening anymore, but as Iíve said, I do like the ability of a speaker to play quite loudly and sound great when doing so.
I am assuming, rightly or wrongly, that the Spatial M3 will afford me that.
I also will continue to use my Luxman 30wpc class A amp, as I love the sound. Therefore, I need a pretty efficient speaker for my loud listening.
So fire away with any impressions please.
Thank you Shadowlight for your invitation. I will contact you after the next several hectic weeks for an audition. I really appreciate the gesture.

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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2018, 03:50:48 PM »
I will add this - I have been an avid show attendee, and for the most part, the only high efficiency speakers Iíve like have been open baffle designs; Pure Audio Project, Emerald Physics, and Spatial. The offerings from JBL, Zu, and some others I canít recall, have left me wanting.
I also have auditioned the Zu Def in my home, and returned it. Not my cup of tea.

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2018, 11:23:40 PM »
i've heard legacy's at different shows, and i have never been impressed.  (signatures and whispers).  but show conditions being what they are, who knows?  they certainly get good reviews - press and end users.

re: the spatial's, i have never heard them.  but if they sound anything like the pure audio project speakers w/the 15" woofers and the tang band drivers i heard in the vpi room last year at the caf, i don't see how you could go wrong.  unless, however, you have a space problem, as you mention - this type of speaker needs a lot of room to breathe, imo.

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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2018, 11:51:53 AM »
I've rarely been impressed by Legacy show demos either, although the clearest most convincing bass I ever heard was from Whisper XD at the show in DC, ~2013?

Sometimes I've even been turned off by Legacys at shows (original Focus SE with planar midrange at Axpona Atlanta trying to play Dizzy Gillespie harmon muted high notes - total failure!)

Doug Brown, the former Legacy VP of Sales told me that the demos at shows are always brand new speakers, never broken in. Add brand new electronics also and you have a constipated confused hot mess. It's actually surprising how good it does sound considering that.

When I got my Focus SEs they were 4 years old, I am 3rd owner, but they still needed 20+ hours of hard beating to break in (again?) I thought they were damaged when I first got them because I assumed they were already broken in and they sounded like crap. Once they were fully broken in they are very rewarding, a great value, imo, especially for symphony music there's nothing can touch them under 10k.

But nothing's perfect, they have 4th order crossover filters throughout, typical of all modern speakers. Focus 2020 had shallower filters on mid/tweets and was more harmonically transparent despite having far lower resolution drivers. Steep filters mask some harmonic and spatial details, but today's contemporary music requires it to protect the drivers. And it's 30 something DINKs that buy the new high end speakers, and they listen to rap, powerpop and EDM. Sell 'em what they want.  But despite similar flat FR, steep slope modern speaker design formula, Legacy's comparatively larger drivers and larger boxes make them sound more musical than those who target WAF buyers.

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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2018, 12:00:38 PM »
rich, it's funny - you said:

"...constipated confused hot mess..."

those were my thoughts exactly, but i was trying to be polite and not offend anyone!   :rofl: :rofl:  and, when i had my first opportunity to hear them, i was so excited, because they had gotten good reviews, and they looked so fantastic on paper...  it was certainly a let-down.

interesting that they'd be demo'd w/zero break-in - kind of ignorant,. me-thinks...

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2018, 01:06:58 PM »
Apparently it is de rigeur for most manufacturers to demo brand new gear.

I hope you get a chance to hear some well massaged Legacys someday. I think you'd like them.  The drivers are really excellent. 

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Re: Call Me Crazy- Selling My Favorite Speakers
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2018, 01:08:31 PM »
I've rarely been impressed by Legacy show demos either, although the clearest most convincing bass I ever heard was from Whisper XD at the show in DC, ~2013?

Sometimes I've even been turned off by Legacys at shows (original Focus SE with planar midrange at Axpona Atlanta trying to play Dizzy Gillespie harmon muted high notes - total failure!)

Doug Brown, the former Legacy VP of Sales told me that the demos at shows are always brand new speakers, never broken in. Add brand new electronics also and you have a constipated confused hot mess. It's actually surprising how good it does sound considering that.

When I got my Focus SEs they were 4 years old, I am 3rd owner, but they still needed 20+ hours of hard beating to break in (again?) I thought they were damaged when I first got them because I assumed they were already broken in and they sounded like crap. Once they were fully broken in they are very rewarding, a great value, imo, especially for symphony music there's nothing can touch them under 10k.

But nothing's perfect, they have 4th order crossover filters throughout, typical of all modern speakers. Focus 2020 had shallower filters on mid/tweets and was more harmonically transparent despite having far lower resolution drivers. Steep filters mask some harmonic and spatial details, but today's contemporary music requires it to protect the drivers. And it's 30 something DINKs that buy the new high end speakers, and they listen to rap, powerpop and EDM. Sell 'em what they want.  But despite similar flat FR, steep slope modern speaker design formula, Legacy's comparatively larger drivers and larger boxes make them sound more musical than those who target WAF buyers.

As to the lack of breakin issue, I have always respected Bill Duddleston and  the Legacy brand, but why in the heck would a manufacturer subject the public...and themselves....to a less than optimum presentation at a show?
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