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State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« on: March 13, 2018, 11:06:47 AM »
  Guys check out GigaWatt PC-4EVO conditioner www.gigawatt.eu/products/power-conditioners/ . The reviews are quite impressive.
I really like powercon connector for PC and circuit breaker for on/off. Read the reviews. Thinking of taking on line.


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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2018, 11:25:05 AM »
Is this similar to products from PS Audio and others? If so, have heard those other products and why would this company be better?
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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2018, 11:43:20 AM »
Everything I see on the web site says that these are 220v devices and the plugs shown in the photos are European types.

Do they have versions specifically built for use in the US Market?

Would this be something you use in addition to or instead of an Uberbuss?
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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2018, 11:52:05 AM »
The fanciest looking totally average power conditioner I've ever seen. It probably sounds ok. It's just an over-glorified regular rendition of a Felix.

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2018, 10:32:13 PM »
Everything I see on the web site says that these are 220v devices and the plugs shown in the photos are European types.

Do they have versions specifically built for use in the US Market?

Would this be something you use in addition to or instead of an Uberbuss?
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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2018, 12:28:15 PM »
Inductors can work just fine (you don't see it often), but I don't see any indication that they know how to use them well enough to support anywhere near the amount of current that they will be using.

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2018, 04:09:09 PM »
these things are for folks with more dollars than sense, imo.  i am fond of used lab grade isolation transformers, usually found on ebay for pennies on the dollar.  and, i have a nice hp lab grade power supply that does a great job of powering the o-l dc motor kit of my oracle turntable. 

i did splurge on a nice furman balanced power supply a few years ago, but i got it for ~20% of retail.  and, about 15 years ago, i also splurged on a cinepro powerpro 20 balanced power supply - quite the massive thing, actually.  also ~20% of retail, but i ended up getting it for free, because it was cosmetically damaged due to poor packaging, and the seller never wanted it back; go figure.  oddly enough, i have never even tried it, maybe now's the time?  move the smaller furman over to my source components, and use the cinepro for the amps?  hmmm...

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2018, 06:16:06 PM »
I have a friend that has a 5500VA Purity 240VAC>120VAC 12 outlet transformer for sale for $500.00.  It is in Hawaii, but will ship air freight to the buyer.

It is a behemouth.  If I can compress the pictures enough I'll try to post them here.

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2018, 08:48:43 PM »
I have a friend that has a 5500VA Purity 240VAC>120VAC 12 outlet transformer for sale for $500.00.  It is in Hawaii, but will ship air freight to the buyer.

It is a behemouth.  If I can compress the pictures enough I'll try to post them here.

If anyone is interested PM or email me, please.
so, the transformer is free, and you just pay the shipping?  ;)

i have a couple mondo straight 120vac isolation transformers, where i think i paid like $50, and the shipping was closer to $100.  but these things typically retail for $1500-$2k, plus shipping.

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2018, 09:11:19 PM »
Doug,

You're right in the sense that particular one is thus... That doesn't mean something special cannot be made. I have plans for a power conditioner that would be about as special as possible. But it's going to cost as much as a Porsche.

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2018, 09:36:11 PM »
Doug,

You're right in the sense that particular one is thus... That doesn't mean something special cannot be made. I have plans for a power conditioner that would be about as special as possible. But it's going to cost as much as a Porsche.
i'd take the porsche.  law of diminishing returns on the power conditioner.  ;)  even if it's all that, it won't be more than a percent or three better than what i can do on my working man's budget...

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2018, 10:02:30 PM »
Doug,

You're right in the sense that particular one is thus... That doesn't mean something special cannot be made. I have plans for a power conditioner that would be about as special as possible. But it's going to cost as much as a Porsche.
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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2018, 01:21:09 PM »
You do. It's tricky though, that pricing stuff...

Part of me wants to price so everyone can buy (although the parts don't really allow it). But then again it makes little sense in some ways because it'll be seen as disposable, or not valuable - and I'll dig myself a hole where I'm in debt because I can't achieve WalMart numbers.

When it comes to it, I really don't have a solution to make everyone happy. So I figure I'll try to offer DIY so that who ever doesn't have deep pockets can make their own, and the rest whom want to whine about not wanting to DIY or try to get a good enough job to buy the stuff... Well they're on their own.

I have a power conditioner I've been wanting to release that is about $2400-2500, and would need 4 orders upfront.

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2018, 03:06:10 PM »
Pricing stuff can be very tricky, especially for a small shop because you have to set prices that will not only cover your costs of doing business right now, but also provide you with enough cash flow to continue to run the business if it becomes successful, Because if you price your product too low you will have a hard time going back and getting customers to accept a price hike later on. And if you price to high you will drive away potential customers. It's quite a balancing act.

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Re: State of the Art Power-Conditioner
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2018, 03:53:21 PM »
Pricing stuff can be very tricky, especially for a small shop because you have to set prices that will not only cover your costs of doing business right now, but also provide you with enough cash flow to continue to run the business if it becomes successful, Because if you price your product too low you will have a hard time going back and getting customers to accept a price hike later on. And if you price to high you will drive away potential customers. It's quite a balancing act.
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