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Systemic Development => Bipolar System Disorders => Topic started by: rollo on March 12, 2018, 08:22:53 AM

Title: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: rollo on March 12, 2018, 08:22:53 AM
   Is it me or is it bright. I'm noticing that systems of most Men over 65 especially ones who played in band for some time are just bright and played to loud.
  What? turn up the volume.


charles
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: Nick B on March 12, 2018, 09:54:57 AM
Unlike the rest of me, my ears are still quite excellent. While I do crank ‘em up for ZZ Top or some Stones, it’s limited to that. Wonder where my hearing would be if is was in a rock band touring for 20 years....
Nick
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: tmazz on March 12, 2018, 12:33:47 PM
Unlike the rest of me, my ears are still quite excellent. While I do crank ‘em up for ZZ Top or some Stones, it’s limited to that. Wonder where my hearing would be if is was in a rock band touring for 20 years....
Nick

What hearing?
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: rollo on March 13, 2018, 07:52:20 AM
Unlike the rest of me, my ears are still quite excellent. While I do crank ‘em up for ZZ Top or some Stones, it’s limited to that. Wonder where my hearing would be if is was in a rock band touring for 20 years....
Nick

What hearing?

  What did you say ??
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: rollo on April 02, 2018, 08:17:17 AM
 Well that is because I have Golden Ears. Well trained Ears anyway.


charles
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: S Clark on May 03, 2018, 04:28:39 PM
Most of us have hearling loss; it's just a question of to what degree.  But even those of us with substantial loss can still train ourselves to listen for particular things within our limited range.  Instrument detail and placement, no problem.  Soundstage depth and width gets a bit more problematic as we lose frequencies above 4-5Khz. 
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: James Edward on July 06, 2018, 01:59:23 PM
I’ve often thought that there must be some audiologists with equipment that travels. Think of senior care facilities, hospitals, etc... I’m sure there would be some willing to travel to an audio club meeting to gauge/test/dispel our thoughts on our hearing ability. Of course at 58 mine is still as good as it was at 10 years old, but for all the others, it seems it might be a worthwhile endeavor.
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: _Scotty_ on July 06, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
It would require a mobile testing booth that could reduce the noise outside the booth sufficiently to allow adequate isolation for you to attempt to test your hearing threshold for the test frequencies. It would add a lot of expense to testing.
Scotty
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: tmazz on July 06, 2018, 02:25:39 PM
Testing your hearing is all well and good, but how often have we said that the goal of a good high end system is to a closely as possible recreate the experience of hearing a live performance? Well if you really take that philosophy to heart your own hearing should not be that big of an issue. Your personal listening experience would is a product of your own ears. What you hear live would be filtered through  whatever hearing ability you have (or don't have.) Since you would be listening with the same ears in the live and home listening situations what your particular hearing curve is should not be an issues since it would effect your perception of the music equally in both situations.
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: jimbones on July 11, 2018, 01:11:19 PM
I have hearing loss and wear aids, my audiologist says theres a difference between understanding speech and listening to music and audiophiles ears are trained and we dont have as many issues with music. I may misunderstand someone but I can hear minute sounds when playing music.
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: Guy 13 on August 05, 2019, 09:05:01 PM
Hi all,

Just want to share something about earing aid.
Well, up to now (71 years old) I still consider myself luck not to need an earing aid.
However, two years ago I bought a signal generator to test - evaluate mys system
performances...
I found out that my earing is limited to about 8 to 10KHz.
The low end is almost 20 Hz of course, I have to increase the level to hear it.
(For the low end, I've used the GR Research V1 that I own and like.
That's it and that's all.

Guy 13
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: Barry (NJ) on August 18, 2019, 06:25:02 AM
It would require a mobile testing booth that could reduce the noise outside the booth sufficiently to allow adequate isolation for you to attempt to test your hearing threshold for the test frequencies. It would add a lot of expense to testing.
Scotty

It's been a few years since my hearing was tested, but it was done with, closed back, over the ear, headphones. So no super special room would be needed.
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: rollo on August 23, 2019, 11:15:54 AM
  WHAT ? WHAT ?? could not resist sorry. :-P :rofl:


charles
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: Mike B. on October 25, 2019, 09:10:51 AM
I was a administrator at a university with a audiology department a floor about me. I got asked to take the test a few times. Gave students someone to test. I was in my 30's. Most of the charts I saw including mine were far from flat response. Many people in audio quote how high up the scale they can still hear. That does not tell much about how good hearing is.
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: Nick B on October 25, 2019, 10:15:49 AM
Next year I’ll likely have another hearing test.  I recall seeing the charts and noticing the deviation from a flat response. How that correlates to normal or normal for my age, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: mdconnelly on October 25, 2019, 12:00:50 PM
How well you do on a hearing test is not a measure of how much you enjoy listening to music.   I know my 67 year-old ears aren't once what they were.   After all, I spent a few years back in the mid 70s working sound for a few rock bands.   But I absolutely cherish just listening to music and it still sounds extraordinary to me.   My wife has been pushing me to get my ears tested (I think she confuses my ability to hear her with my desire to at times ;-).   But to be honest, I don't think I want to know because then I'll wonder what I'm missing.   Right now, I'm not missing anything - just loving the sound of music.
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: BobM on October 26, 2019, 05:50:48 AM
Here's some info that might explain why you may be able to hear your stereo but can;t hear your wife call you fron the other room ...

According to the National Institute on Deafness and other Communication Disorders, men are twice as likely to experience hearing loss, but are less likely than women to seek help. Men are also less likely to talk about their hearing loss.

When it comes to hearing loss men tend to lose their ‘hearing’ in the higher frequency levels first. For women, hearing loss generally occurs in the lower level frequencies.

How does this affect communication between the sexes? This means men are less likely to understand consonants, and women are less likely to understand vowels. As you can imagine, this creates an array of misunderstandings and can strain a relationship. At last, an explanation for miscommunication!
Title: Re: Aging Ears or Shot Ears or Both ??
Post by: _Scotty_ on October 26, 2019, 02:08:09 PM
WHAT!  I've had mild to medium ringing in my ears for about a decade which seems to be aggravated by exposure to certain upper midrange frequencies as well as sheer SPL of the sound. Occasionally it is hard to get to sleep.
 The biggest change in my hearing occurred over 20 years ago when I had some sort of infection for a little less than a week. The entire stereo image shifted to the left channel of the system. It wasn't obvious that there was any problem with my hearing. A thorough job of troubleshooting the stereo system showed that it was not at fault.
 That left my hearing as the only remaining source of the problem. Fortunately a good audiologist was readily found. An examination showed that I had very good hearing and both ears had the same frequency response limits as well as very similar response within the limits of the testing procedure.
 However my right ear now was - 6db at 250Hz. The frequency response was back to flat at 125Hz and 500Hz.
I bitched to the audiologist about this and got zero simpathy. He informed me that most peoples ears typically had  as large or larger deviations in response between them and that I had nothing to complain about.
 As there was nothing to be done about it I went home and learned to live with the mismatch. At some point over the next few weeks I noticed that the stereo image was once again centered.  The only time the dip in response showed up was when I listened to a phone conversation with my right ear instead of my left. Intelligibility suffered compared to the left ear.
 My conclusion is that the sense of hearing has some odd quirks about it. I can understand why people may even not be aware of a problem until it is pretty severe. One accepts things that are not normal as normal if the problem has a slow onset. Damm insidious crap.
Scotty.