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Offline mresseguie

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Are you Obsessed?
« on: April 06, 2018, 06:41:29 PM »
Well, it seems I'm going to become even more Obsessed with this audio addiction. :drool:

I've decided to try out a TWL Obsession PC in my system. I'm looking forward to pairing it to my D Sachs Model 2 preamp, my D Sachs Kootenay 120, and my Mivera IceEdge 1200as amp. It'll be about 6 weeks before I have it because I'm wandering around East Asia again and won't return the the beautiful PNW (That's not Papua New Winnie!) until mid-May. I'll let you know how it sounds.

Special thanks to someone named Dave for steering me in the right direction. 

Michael

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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2018, 10:03:15 PM »
That will be an interesting comparison, Michael....the Sachs tube amp vs the Mivera amp. Iíve been following the posts on Mikeís amp over at AC and will be curious as to your impressions. I think PNW
is in the Seattle area, right??
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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2018, 10:47:40 PM »
Hi, Nick.

I've already got a loaner Takachi with basic internal wiring. I'm in the process of writing up a review of it. Teaser: It's pretty impressive.

However, I won't be able to compare it to my Kootenay until my return.

PNW includes Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, and I'm told, western Idaho.

Michael
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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2018, 08:15:22 AM »
  I tell ya lots of claims and hype from Mivera. Maybe its me but I just cannot fathom a that a Hypex based amp can outperform the Don Sachs.
  Hypex sound to me was always threadbare and hard or bright. 2D imaging great bass though. I found that once I got over the impressive dynamics the sound was just Hi Fi compared to many other designs.
  I find this Amp to be the hype of the day, priced low and maybe falsely advertised. I will be quite surprised if after time spent with Mivera the Hi Fi sound will be the end result.
  In all fairness to Mivera I need to try one against my reference class "D" amp. The tubed ones as well. We shall find out. Hey please do not misunderstand me. We all would like a new design that is inexpensive and sounds like music not Hi fi so until heard they will get benefit of doubt.

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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2018, 09:45:31 AM »
Iíve been following all the Mivera threads over at AC and was tempted a bit to try the amp with the less expensive case. But as it appears thereís no return policy, I didnít pursue it.
I am curious about what he comes up with regarding cables, but iirc, that thread was quarantined.
Charles, if you get one, Iíd be real curious to hear your impressions.
Nick
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ICEpower 1200as2 stereo amp
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Don Sachs phono
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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 07:38:37 AM »
I am not doubting Michaels excitement or hearing ability with the Mivera. However been down this road with numerous class "D" amps.
The original Hypex module was not my cup of tea. Dry, lean, hard and bright. Crown anybody ? Nick I not be getting one to try. The Arion HS 500 is the Class "D" to beat in my experience. You name the brand and the Arion won out every time. Beat Pass as well all day long.


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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 08:53:56 AM »
I am not doubting Michaels excitement or hearing ability with the Mivera. However been down this road with numerous class "D" amps.
The original Hypex module was not my cup of tea. Dry, lean, hard and bright. Crown anybody ? Nick I not be getting one to try. The Arion HS 500 is the Class "D" to beat in my experience. You name the brand and the Arion won out every time. Beat Pass as well all day long.


charles

Charles, as youíre not going to hear one, Iíll just have to wait for Michaelís opinion. Iíll be especially curious as the comparison will be against Don Sachs tube amp
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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2018, 08:52:38 AM »
Iíd forgotten about this thread. Too much has been going on in my life.

I did post a two-part listening impressions postabout the Mivera amp on AC and commented in another thread here.

Itís a good amp - really good.

Iíve got a loaner Takachi case amp with the most basic internal wiring and connections that Mike offered. I would have preferred upgraded internals, but since this was a loaner (at no extra cost to me), I ainít complaining.

Would you like me to ask Mike if heíd consider offering this amp as a tour item? I have no idea if heíd be willing to do it. Itís got about 600 hours burn-in, I guess.

Anyway, the good news is I just ordered a 6-foot Obsession from Pete. [Thanks, Pete!] I also allowed him to persuade me to take a couple demo 7+ PCs off his hands. I should probably be committed. I really donít have great PCs in the States because I brought my TWL loom over here.

Michael

 

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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2018, 05:39:16 PM »
Iíd forgotten about this thread. Too much has been going on in my life.

I did post a two-part listening impressions postabout the Mivera amp on AC and commented in another thread here.

Itís a good amp - really good.

Iíve got a loaner Takachi case amp with the most basic internal wiring and connections that Mike offered. I would have preferred upgraded internals, but since this was a loaner (at no extra cost to me), I ainít complaining.

Would you like me to ask Mike if heíd consider offering this amp as a tour item? I have no idea if heíd be willing to do it. Itís got about 600 hours burn-in, I guess.

Anyway, the good news is I just ordered a 6-foot Obsession from Pete. [Thanks, Pete!] I also allowed him to persuade me to take a couple demo 7+ PCs off his hands. I should probably be committed. I really donít have great PCs in the States because I brought my TWL loom over here.

Michael

Michael,
If others here are interested, then Iíd be curious to hear it as well. The problem is the price.  Mike put a lot of effort....and expense..... into the quality of the case, the etching for the lettering etc.
Nick
ICEpower 1200as2 stereo amp
Audio Hungary APR 204 preamp
KEF LS 50 speakers
Border Patrol SE dac
Auralic Aries Mini
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Don Sachs phono
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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2018, 07:50:02 PM »
Nick,

The Takachi case is absolutely Plain Jane. There are no upgrades whatsoever and itís list price is $900.

Since Mike announced heíll no longer sell amps after the next batch, I will wager heíd let this go at a discount. I donít mind admitting to being mystified by his decision to stop selling amps. Perhaps itís a strategy to enable him to concentrate on creating DACs and the integrated amp heís mentioned. I dunno.

Anyone else interested in a possible tour? I still have not asked Mike about the idea.

Michael
Daedalus Audio Apollos Fritz Loudspeakers LS/5-R
Gustard X20u DAC
dB Audio Labs Tranquility SE DAC w/Jupiter Caps
Don Sachs Model 2
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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2018, 12:22:55 AM »
Nick,

The Takachi case is absolutely Plain Jane. There are no upgrades whatsoever and itís list price is $900.

Since Mike announced heíll no longer sell amps after the next batch, I will wager heíd let this go at a discount. I donít mind admitting to being mystified by his decision to stop selling amps. Perhaps itís a strategy to enable him to concentrate on creating DACs and the integrated amp heís mentioned. I dunno.

Anyone else interested in a possible tour? I still have not asked Mike about the idea.

Michael

Michael,
I believe the Takachi case unit does not have upgraded internal wiring, better caps, better power supply as well. Isnít that another of the differences? I really doubt it would best my upgraded McCormack DNA 1.0, but maybe it would.
Nick
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Audio Hungary APR 204 preamp
KEF LS 50 speakers
Border Patrol SE dac
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Don Sachs phono
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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2018, 05:18:21 AM »
Nick,

The Takachi case is absolutely Plain Jane. There are no upgrades whatsoever and itís list price is $900.

Since Mike announced heíll no longer sell amps after the next batch, I will wager heíd let this go at a discount. I donít mind admitting to being mystified by his decision to stop selling amps. Perhaps itís a strategy to enable him to concentrate on creating DACs and the integrated amp heís mentioned. I dunno.

Anyone else interested in a possible tour? I still have not asked Mike about the idea.

Michael

Michael,
I believe the Takachi case unit does not have upgraded internal wiring, better caps, better power supply as well. Isnít that another of the differences? I really doubt it would best my upgraded McCormack DNA 1.0, but maybe it would.
Nick
my understanding is that the only upgrades available are wiring and connectors, and deletion of the power switch at the fuse holder.  nothing to mod re: caps & p/s.  i lost interest when it was decided that no full upgrades would be available w/the plane-jane takachi case.

re: besting your mccormack amp, i am merely speculating, as i've heard neither.  but, based on what other's comments are, i'd be surprised if your mccormack was even as good as this new amp, let alone better.

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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2018, 05:56:54 AM »
Nick,

I donít know how it compares to your McCormack amp. Iíve never heard one nor even seen one before.

As for upgrading the Takachi, Doug is correct. The caps are a permanent part of the 1200as module. The only improvements that can be made are a heavier case, connectors, internal wiring, and power cord - and bypassing the iec socketís fuse. Oh, and you can buy expensive fuses, but I have no experience with these.  I think thatís it.

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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2018, 06:27:01 AM »
According to the https://www.miveraaudio.com/forum/flash-sale-thread/farewell-to-the-power-amplifier-flash-sale you will no longer be able to get the amplifiers in the question after he sells the last 10.

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Re: Are you Obsessed?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2018, 07:27:12 AM »
Correct. You will no longer be able to buy amps made by Mivera. However, there are currently four businesses assembling and selling 1200as based amplifiers. They are Bellissimo (USA), Nord (England), Rogue (Italy), and Iíve forgotten the fourth.

Michael
Daedalus Audio Apollos Fritz Loudspeakers LS/5-R
Gustard X20u DAC
dB Audio Labs Tranquility SE DAC w/Jupiter Caps
Don Sachs Model 2
Don Sachs Kootenay 120 KT88; Nuprime ST-10
TWL loom
PI Audio UberBUSS, DigiBUSS, Uber-MiniBUSS
PI Audio USB cable
Mac Mini